[TV] Winter HAS COME! - A Game of Thrones

You know, I am probably in the minority here but... so what? Given that Martin will likely never finish the books we have no idea what he intended for that character. I feel like the show is doing what someone should have done to this story before Martin could even write Feast of Crows... edit it. I am all for that if it moves the story forward, something Martin hasn't done well in the last two books, but IMHO the show has consistently done.
 

GasBandit

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Well, we'll see. We're pretty much at the exact point right now that the books went downhill fast. So this is where the show can prove itself by standing on its own, for sure.

Or rather, next year it can, I suppose.
 
Yeah, I'm kind of with Gryfter on this, them editing the show down isn't a bad thing at all. If they do it terribly (for which there's an argument to be made) thats a problem, but hopefully than can find and stick to the themes and ideas that have been set in place. If LS doesn't fit into those then… thats cool I guess. Look, it may not work and maybe the show will fail because of "editing" or maybe it will just give a different but satisfying experience.

I strongly suspect that Martin has given them the go ahead to end it however the fuck they want because he's never going to finish it before them.
 
Given that Martin will likely never finish the books we have no idea what he intended for that character.
Bitch needs to find out about Jon Snow's parentage... i mean the first 2 books didn't drone on and on about how much she resents him for nothing.

Plus, the last 2 books where basically set up for a lot of things, including the Brotherhood without Banners infiltrating all over the place.

Not to mention the Jamie-Brianne cliffhanger wouldn't work nearly as well now...

LS always seemed lame to me and diminished the power of the Red Wedding.
I took LS to mean that "guest right" violations aren't just punished by customs, but magic too...
 
If the leading theory holds true about that know nothing Jon Snow, it is really shitty that it was not revealed before the Red Wedding. So Kate could forgive Ned.
 
Go back and read book 1 with that theory firmly in mind and all of Ned's flashbacks make way more sense too.

Ooh also Jojen's "Knight of the Laughing Tree" story.
 
Go back and read book 1 with that theory firmly in mind and all of Ned's flashbacks make way more sense too.

Ooh also Jojen's "Knight of the Laughing Tree" story.
Well, I got who that was about, but

I never got the impression that Lyanna and Rhaegar would've been together before he kidnapped and raped her. Book 5 seems to tear down some of the relationships, questioning whether Catelyn ever loved Brandon, or whether Lyanna even had feelings for Robert. I know those were by unreliable characters, but up until that point those relations had been treated as unquestioned mythos.
 
Well, I got who that was about, but

I never got the impression that Lyanna and Rhaegar would've been together before he kidnapped and raped her. Book 5 seems to tear down some of the relationships, questioning whether Catelyn ever loved Brandon, or whether Lyanna even had feelings for Robert. I know those were by unreliable characters, but up until that point those relations had been treated as unquestioned mythos.
I think the implication is she wasnt kidnapped and raped but went willingly. they were in love, despite their forced marriages. at least thats what I always thought of it. the kidnap and rape is what Robert Baratheon told himself, and maybe Ned believed it too, but thats how ive always seen it from the knight of the laughing tree story and how Ned recalls those flashbacks, and what little we know of Rhaegar.


while we're talking book theories, one I like that never gets talked about is Rh'llor:

the theory is that he was actually the first Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. And the Night's Watch, is in fact Lightbringer. his story might actually be meant to be taken metaphorically. Think about it, the Night's Watch oath states that they are THE SWORD in the darkness, that they are the LIGHT that it BRINGS the dawn. They take no wife. R'hllor sacrificed his wife to create lightbringer, a sword that combats darkness.
 
I think the implication is she wasnt kidnapped and raped but went willingly. they were in love, despite their forced marriages. at least thats what I always thought of it. the kidnap and rape is what Robert Baratheon told himself, and maybe Ned believed it too, but thats how ive always seen it from the knight of the laughing tree story and how Ned recalls those flashbacks, and what little we know of Rhaegar.

Everything we know of Rhaegar is how popular and amazing he was, so I thought what he did to Lyanna was showing what really lived under all that. There's no way to know for certain, but if she went willingly, why did he kill her?
 
I always assumed she died from childbirth complications. There is no reason for the Kingsguard to be guarding her if she was kidnapped.

Read Ned's flashback to finding Lyanna again. Rhaegar was off fighting Robert at the time.
 
I had always assumed someone killed her rather than let Robert have her back. But I knew if that coincided with the Battle of the Trident, then I have no idea how she died.
 
just looked it up to be sure. Lyanna died after Rhaegar was already dead ( Ned and Howland Reed's confrontation with the kinsguard takes place after Jaime Lannister had already killed Aerys Targaryean). the room they found Lyanna Stark in is described as smelling of blood and flowers, and she is laying in a bed of blood (sounds to me like she had just given birth) this is where she asks Ned to make the unknown promise (something along the lines of "protect my son, the last Targaryean, from robert Baratheon", probably).
she was also only 16 at the time. complications during childbirth makes sense.
 
Well, I got who that was about, but

I never got the impression that Lyanna and Rhaegar would've been together before he kidnapped and raped her. Book 5 seems to tear down some of the relationships, questioning whether Catelyn ever loved Brandon, or whether Lyanna even had feelings for Robert. I know those were by unreliable characters, but up until that point those relations had been treated as unquestioned mythos.

Well concerning the Story about the Knight of the laughing Tree, it's mentioned somewhere that Aeris was paranoid about the knight, and ordered Rhaegar to find out who "he" is.
If you remember the story Meera told, it's pretty obvious its was Lyanna... so it's likely Rhaegar did found out who it was.

whether Lyanna even had feelings for Robert .... but up until that point those relations had been treated as unquestioned mythos.
In book 1 Ned thinks about whether or not Rhaegar would cheat on his wife with hookers... and decides not. Not something you'd think about your sister's rapist, that one, esp. in relation with your sisters fiancé.
 
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