Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Straw man. Circular reasoning. What's next, so's your old man?
[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
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GasBandit
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You live in the biggest, most fallacious glass house. Careful with those stones.
But if you're going to specifically ask for it, here it is: You are the Charlie of gun issues.
In other words, it's fine only when you do it.
That's right. This thread is not at all about the big mess in the produce section, it's about the fact that someone took an orange from the bottom!
--Patrick
GasBandit
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At least I only do it in threads actually about gun control.
DA Logic -
Then: "You shouldn't be allowed guns because you will shoot people!"
Now: "How can you not be shooting people, you hypocrites?! YOU HAVE GUNS!"
Yup. It's only okay when you do it. Because context is for pussies.
Dave
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GasBandit
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Maybe next time you should stick to the issues then, instead of trying to use the chip on your shoulder to shoehorn in your pet issue with a veiled personal jab.
Ooh, swing and a miss AGAIN!
GasBandit
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Rand Paul: Demilitarize the Police.
GasBandit
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I don't think it has overtly nefarious motivations... probably just an excuse to grow government budgets, as always. However, it has and will continue to have unfortunate consequences.
Actually, I was thinking it was a result of all of the anti-terrorism money being thrown around 10 years ago (and since). The police departments simply snatched up the lavish buffet put before them. Opportunities to better fund their departments with minimal effort? Have at it!
Only thing nefarious would be greed. Local jurisdictions are having money thrown at them in the name of "fighting terrorism" or "the war on drugs". The money's got to be spent, or it's lost. In steps a senator or congressman, or more likely an ex-senator or ex-congressman. They have a lead on firepower that your average grunt in Afghanistan can only dream of getting. And they get a little something something for themselves as a "commision" or "finders fee". Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Say no more.
I'm not saying that's what's going on, but in this day and age, it sure feels that way.
GasBandit
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I'm not sure that the graft angle is even necessary. A budget is power and control... increasing it is its own reward.
The Stars and Bars was the flag of the nation. The one in the picture was the battle flag or naval ensign/jack.
About fucking time.
The whole thing of the police chief withholding the shooter cop's name is bullshit. In NYC, the names of police are not kept secret.
In my imagination, this was more a tactic against the Ferguson police. You step out of line on this incident? Guess who just became the guy who shot Michael Brown. That's unlikely, but it popped into my head today.
I felt we were having a more peaceful discussion in Gas's thread, but maybe that's because fewer people noticed it there. In any case, hopefully the state police will do better than the over-geared, under-trained assholes who've been aiming rifles at protesters, gassing journalists, and spraying mace at little girls. That's not exactly setting the bar high, so they shouldn't have a problem.
GasBandit
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Palestinians are tweeting tips to Ferguson protesters on how to deal with tear gas.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ferguson-protest-palestinians-gaza-tear-gas/
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ferguson-protest-palestinians-gaza-tear-gas/
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Does anyone else find that kind of surreal?
Now I am waiting for the first person to link that article to Facebook to say the protesters are as 'bad' as the Palestinians....
The Palestinians left an IMPORTANT TIP off of that list.
Wash your hands BEFORE using the restroom.
Wash your hands BEFORE using the restroom.
I kinda doubt they planned it that way, but they'll make it work for them.
Helps also that the new guy in charge isn't a doughy middle-aged white guy who refers to the people of Ferguson as animals.
In many (really, many) areas of that article I could have replaced "America" with "China/Korea/Japan" and some of it would have mirrored some of my own experiences. That's not a critique of the article. That's an unfortunate reality of a place that isn't living up to expectations. I might expect to be cheated, bullied or looked down upon in a mono-ethnic country, but that shouldn't happen in a multi-ethnic nation like the US. A lot of what he says kind of has me thinking what Jun is going to experience when she gets here with her less than perfect English and innocence about what life is like in the western world.
Most of my friends are not white. I never hear stories of them dealing with discrimination and assumed that was because they hadn't experienced any, because why wouldn't they tell me? We all met at or around college, we've all been friends for almost 10 years.
But that article makes me wonder. I'm not going to pry, of course, but still.
But that article makes me wonder. I'm not going to pry, of course, but still.
The first is a reason to increase your National Guard, not arming police in the style of militaries.
There's a reason why you are constitutionally BANNED from deploying the army on home turf. Anything army-like shouldn't be what's enforcing the law. Special SWAT teams? Maybe in very VERY bad areas/cases, but in the vast majority of even your nation, that's not necessary, and shouldn't be part of the repertoire.
As with most things of governmental power, your "give a child a knife" thing is true, with government at least. Private citizens are more trustworthy there IMO because they face the consequences, and know it. As somebody else somewhere said, "I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one." Same principal, but government departments (and larger). Their bad behavior may OCCASIONALLY cause individuals to go down, but generally they protect themselves from any outside harm or criticism.
It's very apparent that large cities need SWAT teams to handle specialized situations. We learned that during the North Hollywood shootout, where two guys with AKs, drum mags, and full body armor were able to hold off an entire police department until the cops borrowed some hunting rifles from a nearby store. There is definitely a need for them. The REAL issue is that SWAT units cost a fortune to outfit and train for what amounts to something that is only used in a worst case scenario and it's hard not to look at those toys and think "No one would mess with our guys if they ALL looked like that".
Unfortunately, that's the road to fascism but few realize it.
Favorite part of that pic is him still holding his open bag of chips