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[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
- Thread starter Charlie Don't Surf
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Don't tempt them.
They could do it with permission from Congress... which is unlikely to happen unless the National Guard is unable to contain the violence (or starts causing more). But we DO have previsions that can make it happen.
GasBandit
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"How the US Military would crush a Tea Party rebellion"
Goes on to quote studies/papers that aren't about the tea party at all, just generic insurrection.
Author's bias is showing.
But to answer the question, how could they? With massive expenditure, huge amounts of collateral damage, lengthy occupations with reconstruction periods... and we all know how well this whole thing worked in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't we? Unless you think the US government would go "Gaza invasion" and execute indiscriminate scorched earth tactics on its own soil and own populace. And there'd be serious political consequences... which changes the question to "but WOULD they?"
"The old gun lobby line that a pack of civilians with hunting rifles will stop a tyrannical federal government is silly. This isnt 1776, the U.S. military is a tad better equipped than King Georges redcoats" Er, that's not the gun lobby's line, the gun lobby line is that, for this exact reason, the civilian populace should have access to the same ordinance that a soldier does. Soldiers had muskets, so farmers got muskets. Soldiers today have automatic rifles, so citizens should as well.
Not to mention that it's child's play to modify a semi-auto to fire full auto. It's also worth mentioning that any fallen military equipment would actually be useful for American insurgents because we actually have the means to use them effectively. 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds are common as piss in the US, unlike the Middle East, so it would basically be the French Resistance all over again (use an inferior gun to get a better gun off an enemy soldier).
Would the American Army eventually control a region? They can't even control Iraq. What are they going to do when the enemy not only speaks their language, but also looks like them and has the same culture? It'd be impossible to rout out the insurgents without going scorched earth.
Would the American Army eventually control a region? They can't even control Iraq. What are they going to do when the enemy not only speaks their language, but also looks like them and has the same culture? It'd be impossible to rout out the insurgents without going scorched earth.
There has been an answer for decades.
I was waiting for that kid to finish his sentence... too bad the news lied about his motivation.
GasBandit
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Is it ironic that the arriving National Guardsmen look less "militarized" than the police they're supplanting?
Twitter response of the day winner: "How do we know they're in charge? They're not even pointing guns at anyone!"
Runner up: "If the Ferguson PD had behaved as these soldiers here, we wouldn't need these soldiers here."
Twitter response of the day winner: "How do we know they're in charge? They're not even pointing guns at anyone!"
Runner up: "If the Ferguson PD had behaved as these soldiers here, we wouldn't need these soldiers here."
I was listening to the latest report on the radio while driving today.
For one, the autopsy report came back for Michael Brown:
-There were SIX bullet wounds in total, including the kill shot to the head.
-There were no signs of struggle.
Also, it appears that the most major of looters and the ones responsible for the molotov cocktails came from outside the Ferguson community. The cocktail throwers that were arrested apparently came from Chicago. Basically, trouble makes coming in to take advantage of the situation.
For one, the autopsy report came back for Michael Brown:
-There were SIX bullet wounds in total, including the kill shot to the head.
-There were no signs of struggle.
Also, it appears that the most major of looters and the ones responsible for the molotov cocktails came from outside the Ferguson community. The cocktail throwers that were arrested apparently came from Chicago. Basically, trouble makes coming in to take advantage of the situation.
Here's a current CNN story, sounds like Brown was being aggressive and charging the officer when he was shot. Not the "hands-up" or running away that was initially reported. Other sites have reported that all the shots were from the front of Brown and none from behind.
Of course. What do they gain by saying otherwise?
Much like Internet trolls, I imagine that there are "opportunists" who will seize cover to take advantage of any tense situation.
--Patrick
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The people actually trained in the equipment used by the Ferguson PD know when a situation isn't appropriate for that equipment's use.Is it ironic that the arriving National Guardsmen look less "militarized" than the police they're supplanting?
Twitter response of the day winner: "How do we know they're in charge? They're not even pointing guns at anyone!"
Runner up: "If the Ferguson PD had behaved as these soldiers here, we wouldn't need these soldiers here."
Moved to pictures thread to avoid flames.
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GasBandit
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CNN Anchorwoman not quite so saavy on the subject.
https://vine.co/v/M3F6JDPI9Hu
Dat look the other guy gives her. Hah.
https://vine.co/v/M3F6JDPI9Hu
Dat look the other guy gives her. Hah.
Apparently, the RCP is in town, trying to stir people up.
https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/statuses/501623329376464897
(is there a way to embed twitter?)
The RCP is hardcore fringe left and delights in antagonizing police at protests. They had a hand (though not the only one) in getting the OWS protests to turn much rougher than they started.[DOUBLEPOST=1408476149,1408476073][/DOUBLEPOST]
https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/statuses/501623329376464897
(is there a way to embed twitter?)
The RCP is hardcore fringe left and delights in antagonizing police at protests. They had a hand (though not the only one) in getting the OWS protests to turn much rougher than they started.[DOUBLEPOST=1408476149,1408476073][/DOUBLEPOST]
GasBandit
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I think her accent is the clue. I've noticed that sometimes europeans completely fail to grasp all the nuances of the complicated ballet that has been race relations in the US. Heck, Pauline never quite grasped what the big deal was with the word "ñigger." (accent mark to defeat the PC autoreplace filter)
It made me read it in Stinkmeaner's voice.
GasBandit
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Egypt urges US to use more restraint in Ferguson.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28855811
When EGYPT tells you to cool your jets, I think that means we've become some kind of mirror world.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28855811
When EGYPT tells you to cool your jets, I think that means we've become some kind of mirror world.
It is just PR revenge.
We aren't exactly riding through the crowd on camels whipping everyone with bamboo canes and sniping 100's from the roof tops.
GasBandit
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I'd read somewhere it was shooped.
You know shit's bad when the Crips and Bloods are like "Fuck this, man, we got bigger problems than our decades old feud".
But there are now citizens protecting some of the stores. It may have been just one night though.
Hard to protect stores when the police are still mowing through town with flash bombs and tear gas. They ended up getting full into the media playpen and had to have the reporters leave (surprise -_-). Also, Amnesty International was asked to leave for their safety.
The Ferguson police seem to have no plan except to continue to terrorize the people there until they drop this and can't seem to understand how that's only going to make things worse. This is not just going to go away when CNN has finally started using the term "police brutality" and Fox News is taking issue with the treatment there. These are not the types of stations usually on the side of mistreated minorities, and yet here we are.
My other thought is that the police aren't trying to just beat this protest--they want to put down the hurt so much that after Wilson is charged, tried, and walks (let's not pretend he won't), they won't have to deal with it again. But they will, because there's no way Ferguson is going back to normal after this.
The Ferguson police seem to have no plan except to continue to terrorize the people there until they drop this and can't seem to understand how that's only going to make things worse. This is not just going to go away when CNN has finally started using the term "police brutality" and Fox News is taking issue with the treatment there. These are not the types of stations usually on the side of mistreated minorities, and yet here we are.
My other thought is that the police aren't trying to just beat this protest--they want to put down the hurt so much that after Wilson is charged, tried, and walks (let's not pretend he won't), they won't have to deal with it again. But they will, because there's no way Ferguson is going back to normal after this.
From past incidents, I've determined it doesn't matter; he'll be acquitted.
Had Ferguson PD followed NYC's procedure with these situations--release the name, charge the officer, have a trial, acquit, let people bemoan and forget--none of the past week or so would've made international news.
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Yeah, he's going to walk... or at the very least get to resign with his benefits. It's Missouri for god's sake.
And when that time comes, all of this will happen again.
I can't really tell what's going on in any of those security cam videos.
Though I did notice the police version that said it was a robbery was for a different date than the shooting. That was fun. I wish there was a count for how many times Ferguson PD has changed their story.
Though I did notice the police version that said it was a robbery was for a different date than the shooting. That was fun. I wish there was a count for how many times Ferguson PD has changed their story.