GasBandit
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But will it stick? Murder 2 might have been an overreach.
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But if there is a pattern of abuse with the transportation unit, it could likely stick.
There's certainly a pattern of abuse in the department. $5.7 million in 4 years to settle lawsuits for excessive force, with over 100 cases.
http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/40323...xposes-disturbing-pattern-of-police-brutality
Crimes that happened in other parts of the agency don't really matter much. It has to be a pattern that this transportation unit has given "Rough Rides" in the past. If that pattern is not there, it will look like an accident, or the officers did not follow policy. That will be a lesser charge than Murder 2.
GasBandit
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That's just it though, they didn't try a "lesser charge," they went murder 2, and you don't get a prosecutorial do-over if you swing for the bleachers and then fail to meet the criteria.
According to the National Review, the officers are charged with a full spectrum of crimes. For example: Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. is charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, assault, and misconduct in office.
I'm glad that the absolute barest minimum has been done
Teana Walsh is the white* Assistant Prosecutor for Wayne County (the county containing the City of Detroit, MI).
...I'm sorry, was. Was the Assistant Prosecutor. She resigned for some reason shortly after posting this on Facebook.
--Patrick
*not that it matters, stupid comes in all colors.
This suggests to me that they mean it. If they didn't, they would've just done the murder 2 charge, like Gas said, and odds are that would've led to a walk.
Of course, they could all still walk. We'll see.
Bringing the Waco shootout into this.
Well, wait and see how many dead came from Police bullets. The police were shot at and returned fire.
Also all these thugs surrendered, and were taken to jail.
Also all these thugs surrendered, and were taken to jail.
Yeah, after a massive shootout.
As opposed to making eye contact, being run down, and having their spinal cords severed during a "rough ride".
Or, you know, standing up and getting put in a chokehold and pinned to the sidewalk until they died.
Or knocking on someone's door to use the phone after a car accident and being shot to death by the police.
But hey, white privilege is pretty awesome.
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GasBandit
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Of course, from what I hear, there's something like 150 of them arrested and now in jail (it turns out it was something like 5 different motor gangs, not 2).
Pretty impressive that it was possible to arrest 150 people simultaneously and have them not resist or try to escape, especially considering the aforementioned absence of physical restraints. I'm not even sure if Waco has 150 uniformed officers.
It's interesting how differently you get treated by police when you don't go down kicking, screaming and flailing, or try to run. The trick that smart people have learned is that the time to protest an unjust arrest is before the judge, not to the arresting officer.
Pretty impressive that it was possible to arrest 150 people simultaneously and have them not resist or try to escape, especially considering the aforementioned absence of physical restraints. I'm not even sure if Waco has 150 uniformed officers.
It's interesting how differently you get treated by police when you don't go down kicking, screaming and flailing, or try to run. The trick that smart people have learned is that the time to protest an unjust arrest is before the judge, not to the arresting officer.
You did see the part where some were gunned down.
That sounds awfully close to blaming all black people for being killed...
GasBandit
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No, I'm not saying "all black people got themselves killed," clearly there's problems with many police departments nationwide resorting to lethal force way too quickly. And there are white people who act like dumbasses too, the jerkoffs who repeatedly ask "Am I being detained? Am I being detained?" because they think it's a magic phrase that makes the cop let them go, for example.
For what it's worth, the biker clubs drill it into your head to not resist the arrest if doing so would cause trouble for the rest of the club. In this case (the cops showed up to arrest people at a gang war) there was no denying what they were doing so they had to roll over. If they hadn't, it's likely they'd have been silenced by their own gangs in prison. Instead, the lawyers for these clubs are going to duke it out with the DA, get out who they can, and ensure the silence of the rest. This is how a high level criminal enterprise works.
Compare this to a street gang: they have no need for legitimacy in the eyes of the law, so they have no reason to cooperate, period. They don't pretend to be anything other than an illicit group and take pride in this, displaying it openly to anyone.
To put this another way... if those were mafioso or Yakuza getting arrested and treated like this, would you look twice? Then why would you for a motorcycle club, which operates under many of the same rules and standards... fuck, even more rules because these groups use the "club" label to evade the police and to operate in public.
tl;dr version - There are cultural and legal issues at hand here beyond the color of the skin of the perpetrators.
Compare this to a street gang: they have no need for legitimacy in the eyes of the law, so they have no reason to cooperate, period. They don't pretend to be anything other than an illicit group and take pride in this, displaying it openly to anyone.
To put this another way... if those were mafioso or Yakuza getting arrested and treated like this, would you look twice? Then why would you for a motorcycle club, which operates under many of the same rules and standards... fuck, even more rules because these groups use the "club" label to evade the police and to operate in public.
tl;dr version - There are cultural and legal issues at hand here beyond the color of the skin of the perpetrators.
I would, but I suppose that's naivete on my part thinking that the special treatment days of those groups was in the past. I remember in the 90s and early '00s, in New York City they were no longer putting up with the mafia's shit. Don't know how it is now since I haven't lived around there in eight years.
You do see how it's a huge difference for being shot IN A MASSIVE GUNFIGHT, and being shot at a stop and frisk, right?
Well there were 12 heavily armed cops at the scene before anything happened. In each of these arrest photos there is a cop standing there with is likely an M-16/M-4. Actual assault rifle, not semi-automatic. So yeah, it might be a good idea to comply with the officer's orders. I also doubt the officers planned ahead and brought 200 handcuffs to a "meeting" in a public place.[DOUBLEPOST=1431983135,1431982961][/DOUBLEPOST]
Not really, comply with the arrest.
You don't see a difference between shooting at a cop and him returning fire and you being completely unarmed and shot?
You are in some MASSIVE denial.
I am talking about the arrest.
"you're under arrest, you are coming with me..." "OK officer..."
"you're under arrest, you are coming with me..." "FU officer..."
That was because John Gotti was fucking with the Police union of NYC and it's why they nailed his ass to the floor. The current don is on much better terms with the cops and it's why a bunch of Gambinos got let out in '09. There's still a lot of bad blood though, which is why the cops aren't as easy going about the mafia as they used to be.
Ah, I see. So having a gun fight is okay, so long as you're polite to the police afterwards, whereas if you're rude to the police that harass you, well, you deserve to die. Got it.
as opposed to
You don't see a little bit of a fucking difference there?
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Before arrest, after arrest. What is the difference that you see?
First picture is of a police force that had already declared war on it's community. Everyone was considered a threat and the police behaved accordingly.
Second picture was of a completely different police force hundreds of miles away in a different state, in a different community, with differing standards in training and attitudes. Not to mention far easier to identify exactly who in that situation was going to pose a potential problem.
Except Stop and Frisk isn't an arrest. It is distinctly undertaken because they don't have enough probable cause for an arrest.
Well the photos first acted like there was 0 police brutality. They shot some fuckers. When everything went to hell in a hand basket, there were too few cops with out 200 handcuffs to handle the crowd. The police were able to demand compliance and that is what they received. This was not a protest turned riot with days of warnings so the police could turn up with crowd control measures. They had to rely on lethal force.
Null does his Bullshit trolling so I raise the bar.
But really the first picture is the cops approaching a "suspect" I don't know which protest/riot it came from. The second photo is after the 12 police stopped the shooting and processed nearly 200 suspects. And they were waiting for the vans to show up, and then they did zip tie and arrest all those men.
Null does his Bullshit trolling so I raise the bar.
But really the first picture is the cops approaching a "suspect" I don't know which protest/riot it came from. The second photo is after the 12 police stopped the shooting and processed nearly 200 suspects. And they were waiting for the vans to show up, and then they did zip tie and arrest all those men.
figmentPez
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I'm cracking up at how Foodbeast is covering this incident:
Horrific Shootout At Sports Bar Chain Prompts The Restaurant's Permanent Closure
"the Waco location will be shut down and the franchise agreement will be revoked."
Because that's the real tragedy here.
(I kid, the article isn't really that callous when read as a whole, but I still find it funny how this is being spun to make it relevant to a site that's normally about the latest flavor of Oreo, and how Taco Bell is using cheese sauce.)
Horrific Shootout At Sports Bar Chain Prompts The Restaurant's Permanent Closure
"the Waco location will be shut down and the franchise agreement will be revoked."
Because that's the real tragedy here.
(I kid, the article isn't really that callous when read as a whole, but I still find it funny how this is being spun to make it relevant to a site that's normally about the latest flavor of Oreo, and how Taco Bell is using cheese sauce.)
He should have said "mountain" themed. The real theme there are the tits.
