He was stopped on the European Ukranian/Polish border, by the Western Ukranian Secret Service. He supposedly got his weapons from the Russians, so it doesn't seem likely they orchestrated it.
Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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I like Bernie more than Hillary but she's got 3 million more votes than him. You can argue the merits of the primary system all day, but in this case it's gonna result in the right candidate.
The AP calling it is weird and annoying, but unless Bernie wins literally an average of 70% of the remaining delegates in every single state contest, he won't win, and the supers won't jump. Possible, but really unlikely. Edging out a win in Cali would be significant, but it's not more significant than not winning the contest up to that point. New York and Texas combined has almost the same numbers of delegates as California, and Hillary won both of those very clearly. Don't forget, Hillary won CA in 2008, by a wider margin than Bernie likely might, and Obama still beat her.
Also, 285 delegate gap is a huge gap to climb. California might be worth 475, but it's apportioned proportionally, so for CA to wipe out Hillary's advantage by itself, Bernie would have to win 80% of the vote there.
Like I said, possible, but really unlikely.
also, uh, for the record, in 2008 Hillary won the popular vote too, but Obama won more delegates
Dave
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With the legal and ethical issues Hillary is having, the supers may jump ship. It will really depend on when the FBI gets off their asses and does their jobs instead of holding off for whatever reason. Were this investigation against anyone else I guarantee you something would have happened by now.
I don't know. The Clintons must have some control over the situation. If the republicans had their way you know it wouldn't come out until after the democrats chose hillary. The white house certainly has some control over the situation - it could be that they're waiting until the candidate is chosen, and then if it's hillary they won't do anything.
Could be that some are just waiting for the right time to reveal some of his skeletons.
Dave
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Trump's skeletons don't mean shit. I mean, what else could he possibly do to turn off his supporters? Nothing. And NONE of them have given a good reason for voting for him that hasn't been torn to shreds. Yet they don't care because he's running under an "R" and is not Hillary. That's his entire platform.
No, no. He's Frank and Outspoken and Dares to Say It Like It Is, and Doesn't Care About Those Sissies, and he'll teach those Non-White Non-Americans What's What! Also, he's not Hillary. And for those who speak Snobbish, he's Anti-establishment.
(despite all the anti-trump rhetoric and my jokes, he does actually have a program. Not one I agree with on many counts, but still)
Everyone is really busy trying to put off reviewing Obama's nominees. They're swamped.
I would call your attention to the most recent Tom the Dancing Bug...No, no. He's Frank and Outspoken and Dares to Say It Like It Is, and Doesn't Care About Those Sissies, and he'll teach those Non-White Non-Americans What's What! Also, he's not Hillary. And for those who speak Snobbish, he's Anti-establishment.
--Patrick
Does he? He just seems to say things, but refuse to commit or outline anything with seriousness. No financial policy, no foreign policy, no policies of any kind!
My first thought was Perot, but he doesn't strike me as a "my website" kinda guy.
--Patrick
Congrats to Hillary Clinton! As a result of the Republican primary, I'm extremely excited to call her (the first woman) President in 7 or so months.
Over confidence and yadayada. If all Hillary supporters think that way, you'll be trying not to choke on the words "President Trump" in no time;
Well, if Charlie's other thread about the idiocy and evilness of trumps supporters is any indication about hillarys supporters, I suspect a lot of people currently dismiss him as a possible winner.
The election will be completely changed by that time, though, and it will be interesting if Hillary actually runs as anything but, "well, I'm not trump."
She's very smart, though, so I doubt she will underestimate him.
The question dems need to be asking themselves now, though, is will Hillary be a viable candidate given the investigation into her illegal activities as Secretary of State? Doubtless she will throw anyone and everyone under the bus, as she is wont to do, but will that be enough to distance herself from the problem?
She, however, will be a more powerful leader than Obama was, and as an insider she will know how to get things done Obama couldn't have imagined could be accomplished with a recalcitrant congress. The likelihood of foreign decision disasters Obama has had would go way down.
Sorry Dave this is not just directed at you, even though it might sound like it is.
One of my least favorite aspects of the Bernie fanbase is how every loss is because its rigged. That its the media and the party and thats why people aren't voting for him, because there is no way people might just prefer Hillary. There are many aspects of his candidacy that are controversial, including the fact that there really isn't agreement on whether his tax plan is economically viable. Theres this way Bernie supporters look at anyone that supports Hillary that just comes across as really patronizing.
Dave
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There's been a lot of proof that the DNC/MSM wanted Hillary from the beginning and that there have been a LOT of efforts in the individual races to obfuscate and confuse new voters who were more likely to vote Sanders. From the debate schedule to the head of the DNC being a former Hillary campaign manager to sources like the NYT altering articles on purpose to make Sanders look bad. There are a LOT of ways that they made sure Hillary won and it obviously worked. But it also opened the eyes of a lot of people and have done damage to the DNC's reputation. The ONLY thing that has stopped a mass migration away is that as bad as the DNC is, the RNC has put up nobody but Trump.
I wish everyone would just shut the fuck up at this point. Trump is a loud-mouthed, stupid bigot. Clinton is a soulless, mercenary politician who's just going to maintain a broken status quo. Sanders is a doddering old fool with bad ideas and a chip on his shoulder, tilting at windmills. The other Republican candidates varied from pathetic to villainous scumbags. There hasn't been one candidate worth a damn.
You're all arguing over which dipshit you want to screw this country up for 4 years. Newsflash: it's all fucked no matter which of the candidates win.
You're all arguing over which dipshit you want to screw this country up for 4 years. Newsflash: it's all fucked no matter which of the candidates win.
actually, it's way more fucked up if Trump wins
Well, you're not entirely wrong. I, too, feel like this election season somehow caught everyone with their pants down, as if it managed to creep up on them unawares, forcing them to just grab someone candidate-ish before they'd all had time to prepare.
--Patrick
I wish facebook had a pun rating.
"So you were planning on having a safe election and you used appropriate election control measures like democracy, but the democracy broke and now you're worried you might get the wrong candidate in 9 months. Consider Plan B!"
I just want this so much to be an Onion article.
"So you were planning on having a safe election and you used appropriate election control measures like democracy, but the democracy broke and now you're worried you might get the wrong candidate in 9 months. Consider Plan B!"
See, I don't use Facebook for exactly that reason.
Oh yeah. Green Party. There's a slam dunk.
If you'd said it was an Onion article, I'd have believed you no question.
Interesting article on the fastest growing chain of community centers in America... McDonald's.
Basically, traditional community centers are increasingly failing the people they were designed to serve because the politics involved with running them and keeping them open drive people away. This is happening regardless of goal of the community center: religious, humanitarian, etc... people are leaving all of them because it's a fucking pain in the ass to be involved in one.
My grandpa's hang out was What a Burger. One summer they sold coffee mugs that allowed you to buy $0.05 refills forever. ...after ten years they started to regret that decision. There were dozens of retirees hanging out there for breakfast every day.
The same happens at Tim Hortons up here.
As for those 5¢ refills, I am far too regular a patron at this bar where I'm sitting right now. I get free coffee (and I drink 3 or 4 cups of it each time in here) and it's pretty much all I ever drink here anymore. What's perhaps awesome, I think the free coffee has weaned me off booze almost completely.
So not a community centre, it's a rehab clinic for me.
(oh hey, I'm actually posting something about me. That doesn't happen much)
As for those 5¢ refills, I am far too regular a patron at this bar where I'm sitting right now. I get free coffee (and I drink 3 or 4 cups of it each time in here) and it's pretty much all I ever drink here anymore. What's perhaps awesome, I think the free coffee has weaned me off booze almost completely.
So not a community centre, it's a rehab clinic for me.
(oh hey, I'm actually posting something about me. That doesn't happen much)
GasBandit
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Or, you know, it will just sit ignored on Loretta Lynch, his AG's, desk, more than likely, because "prosecutorial discretion."