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[Tress]

White Lives Matter to be listed as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center.

Sounds about right.

I was reading an article last night that basically said that minority groups like BLM (and women, Latinos, Asian-Americans, etc.) are completely justified in being upset at the status quo. Also, Trump's base of blue-collar white Americans are justified in being upset about their current lot in life as well. The only problem is each group blames the other for their problems. No one (I'm speaking generally in reference to entire groups) considers that the other side might have a good reason for being upset.

 

[GasBandit]

Not that WLM isn't, but always take anything the "Southern Poverty Law Center" says with a grain of salt, as they're basically an arm of the Democrat Party specializing in racebaiting.

 

[PatrThom]

Not that WLM isn't, but always take anything the "Southern Poverty Law Center" says with a grain of salt, as they're basically an arm of the Democrat Party specializing in racebaiting.

I think I would take anything they say with a grain of salt merely because they are named "Southern Poverty Law Center."

--Patrick

 

[Dave]

I think I would take anything they say with a grain of salt merely because they are named "Southern Poverty Law Center."

--Patrick

Yeah, they are a great organization. But the right wing hates them because they expose the racism under the surface of a lot (not all, of course) of their organizations. Breitbart HATES them. To me that's a plus in their favor.

Now it's time for Gas to come in and say why they are bad and paint people with a broad brush.

 

[strawman]

They have a bias and a political agenda. That doesn't mean they are bad, nor that they are good. They seek to provide a certain type of information to those whose biases and political ideology matches theirs. That's all.

 

[Dave]

Yeah, people who don't like hate groups are terrible.

 

[GasBandit]

Yeah, people who don't like hate groups are terrible.

They manufacture hate.

 

[PatrThom]

They manufacture hate.

Gasbandit prefers to manufacture his own hate. Artisanal hate, aged in small batches and tapped only when fully matured.
...I'm actually half-serious with this. I don't like being told by anyone whom I should hate. I prefer to decide on my own.

--Patrick

 

[Dave]

They manufacture hate.

Exposing =/= manufacturing.

 

[GasBandit]

Seriously, if any other source had told me WLM was a hate group, I probably would have believed it without digging.

But because it's the SPLC, it makes me doubt it a little.

They have about as much credibility as mediamatters.

 

[Terrik]

Isn't this the same group that tried to put Ben Carson on the list?

 

[Null]

Isn't this the same group that tried to put Ben Carson on the list?

Not as a hate group per se; they had him listed under an "Extremist Watch" but after a few months rescinded it for not adequately meeting the criteria.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/02/11/splc-statement-dr-ben-carson

In October 2014, we posted an “Extremist File” of Dr. Ben Carson. This week (February 11 2015), as we've come under intense criticism for doing so, we've reviewed our profile and have concluded that it did not meet our standards, so we have taken it down and apologize to Dr. Carson for having posted it.

 

[Dave]

Isn't this the same group that tried to put Ben Carson on the list?

And they retracted and apologized. So yes. Which was weird becuase it's hard for an individual to be a hate "group".

 

[AshburnerX]

All which goes to show you what one of my previous links mentions: there are no credible sources anymore because we've been trained to disavow any that do not match our perceived preconceptions. So despite the fact that the SPLC is a well respected, dedicated organization interested in informing the public on the actual goals, motives, and actions of various groups seeking legitimacy... some consider it inherently untrustworthy at this goal for whatever reason (in this case, because it seeks to delegitimize the Alt-Right and is backed by Leftists).

And this is why basically every trusted, accredited source of news and information is in dire straits.

 

[GasBandit]

The SPLC is anything but well respected, and definitely pushes an agenda which puts the truth as secondary, if considered at all.

 

[Gruebeard]

They have a sub listing of stuff on their site called Terror From the Right.

 

[AshburnerX]

The SPLC is anything but well respected, and definitely pushes an agenda which puts the truth as secondary, if considered at all.

Maybe not in your circles, but that's sort of the point. I'm sure you have a few places I'd dismiss out of hand as well. It's a pandemic issue on both sides of the aisle, but once you know the groups backing an organization, it's impossible to ignore the influences those groups would have on the organization. It's the issue behind everything from climate change research to smoking studies.

 

[sixpackshaker]

They have a sub listing of stuff on their site called Terror From the Right.

Left wing terrorism pretty much vanished in the 80s.

 

[AshburnerX]

They have a sub listing of stuff on their site called Terror From the Right.

Yes, detailing actual Right Wing terror plots involving individuals linked to groups on their site or otherwise. Or are you going to tell me guys like John Russell Houser, Larry Steve McQuilliams and Jerad and Amanda Miller don't have ties to hate groups on the site?[DOUBLEPOST=1472501412,1472501200][/DOUBLEPOST]

Left wing terrorism pretty much vanished in the 80s.

Ehh... the New Black Panthers come out every once awhile to do something incredibly counter-productive and stupid. Like the stuff with them at the voting locations during the 2008 election. They just aren't out bombing buildings or gunning down politicians anymore. Even so, they are still listed as a hate group.

 

[GasBandit]

Left wing terrorism pretty much vanished in the 80s.

They discovered it's easier to get elected and destroy capitalism from there.

Yes, detailing actual Right Wing terror plots involving individuals linked to groups on their site or otherwise. Or are you going to tell me guys like John Russell Houser, Larry Steve McQuilliams and Jerad and Amanda Miller don't have ties to hate groups on the site?

Dude, Barack Obama has single-degree-of-separation links to leftist terrorists. Since we apparently give so little a shit about that that he can still be elected president, why should we give a shit about the names above who I'd probably never read until just now?

 

[Covar]

And they retracted and apologized. So yes. Which was weird becuase it's hard for an individual to be a hate "group".

right after mid-terms finished up. Newspapers publish retractions all the time, on page 47 where no one reads them.

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Yes, detailing actual Right Wing terror plots involving individuals linked to groups on their site or otherwise. Or are you going to tell me guys like John Russell Houser, Larry Steve McQuilliams and Jerad and Amanda Miller don't have ties to hate groups on the site?[DOUBLEPOST=1472501412,1472501200][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ehh... the New Black Panthers come out every once awhile to do something incredibly counter-productive and stupid. Like the stuff with them at the voting locations during the 2008 election. They just aren't out bombing buildings or gunning down politicians anymore. Even so, they are still listed as a hate group.

I think you might have missed it from the other thread, but that was okay, because Obama asked them to intimidate check on voter sites.

 

[AshburnerX]

Dude, Barack Obama has single-degree-of-separation links to leftist terrorists. Since we apparently give so little a shit about that that he can still be elected president, why should we give a shit about the names above who I'd probably never read until just now?

Are you talking about the Bill Ayers stuff or something else? If it's the Ayers stuff, it's probably because we've basically given the entire counter culture movement of the 60's and 70's a pass, based on the downright illegal actions of federal and state law enforcement to undermine it and incidents like the Kent State Massacre. Rightly or wrongly, we've lionized the figures of those groups and many members went on to become professors, doctors, and other public figures because of both the unpopularity of American military interventions during that period and the lengths the American government went to in order to fight those groups.

Regardless, the New Left basically died after Vietnam.

 

[Dave]

Everyone is only a step or two from a terrible person. Like my coworker's husband being a white supremacist. And since Gas is a conservative living in Texas my guess is he knows a few - whether he knows it or not. (I'm guessing not.)

Point isn't who you know as much as who and how you associate with these people.

 

[Terrik]

Deputies shoot a man in the back while he was eating chicken wings

 

[Dave]

They tell him to get down and he does not, but neither does he get up nor threaten. Sounds like perfect Taser time to me, not six shots point-blank in the back. I could see it had he been standing or threatening, but what happened to calmly talking things out? My guess is they came in aggressively. But that's conjecture. Plus, the sister told the dispatcher that he had a knife. Not sure how I feel about this one, not being there, but I think a Taser would have been more appropriate than a handgun.

 

[Dei]

I don't even think a taser would be appropriate. He was being mouthy, but he wasn't being aggressive towards them. No actual force was called for at this point. Moving around to the other side of the table would have been a good start.

 

[evilmike]

Notes:
- The police have confirmed that he was unarmed.
- Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, did not activate her dash cam.
- Officers did not provide aid to the victim for at least two minutes after the shooting.
(KJRH, Vox, ABC)

 

[Dave]

Wasn't his car just broken down? Guess that's a shootin' now.[DOUBLEPOST=1474338199,1474337985][/DOUBLEPOST]And people wonder why African Americans protest.

 

[Null]

Wasn't his car just broken down? Guess that's a shootin' now.[DOUBLEPOST=1474338199,1474337985][/DOUBLEPOST]And people wonder why African Americans protest.

Yeah, his SUV broke down. That calls for road flares and a tow truck, not 2 patrol cars, a helicopter, and a shooting.

 

[ScytheRexx]

What really burns me is all the people saying "Oh he put his hands down, he was reaching into the car for a gun obviously!"

Dude, watch the dash cam and match it with the helicopter. The shot happened as soon as he reached his vehicle and put his hands on it in a surrendering manner. The reason his hands came down was because he was now sporting a god damn bullet wound and was processing what the fuck just happened to him before giving up and falling over to be left to die.


Real gun shots are not like the movies with giant muzzle flashes, huge bangs, and people flying backwards like they weight 10 pounds, for christ sake people.

 

[Eriol]

Notes:
- The police have confirmed that he was unarmed.
- Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, did not activate her dash cam.
- Officers did not provide aid to the victim for at least two minutes after the shooting.
(KJRH, Vox, ABC)

My brother lives in Tulsa. Married a girl from there.


I am never visiting again until they move to somewhere with SANE police.



Oh, and one more thing: why the FUCK are they allowed to turn their cameras on and off??? The WHOLE POINT should be that unless the car is parked at the station, it's ALWAYS ON during a shift.

 

[Dave]

And now the demonization by the police has begun. They are using the excuse that they thought he was "high on PCP" and said they found some in the car. And she shot him because he was reaching into the vehicle for something...even though the window was rolled up and shows that way on video.

First actual assassination and now the character assassination begins to try and cover their asses. My cop friends are really, really pissed about this. Every time something like this happens it makes their jobs harder and more dangerous.

 

[ScytheRexx]

First actual assassination and now the character assassination begins to try and cover their asses. My cop friends are really, really pissed about this. Every time something like this happens it makes their jobs harder and more dangerous.

The problem is that this is going to get worst before it gets better. It's a vicious cycle that will continue to compound. Cops shoot black guy because they think he is dangerous due to profiling, backlash causes more people in the black community to start distrusting or hating cops, which puts cops more on edge of retaliation and thus even more trigger happy during stops, which in turn leads to more wrongful deaths, which in turn leads to more distrust. It culminates into stuff like the Dallas shooting, or this bozo from just this week...



And now the cops feel justified for all the profiling and events that lead up to this, because "See! Black people are dangerous!", and so on until the next event.

 

[blotsfan]

And now the demonization by the police has begun. They are using the excuse that they thought he was "high on PCP" and said they found some in the car. And she shot him because he was reaching into the vehicle for something...even though the window was rolled up and shows that way on video.

First actual assassination and now the character assassination begins to try and cover their asses. My cop friends are really, really pissed about this. Every time something like this happens it makes their jobs harder and more dangerous.

Huh I thought even the Tulsa police chief said that this was totally wrong by the cops.

 

[Bubble181]

It's a vicious cycle that will continue to compound.

And yet, it's the cops who're going to have to try and break it. Admitting cops are people too and make mistakes is part of that. Some mistakes may be excusable, some not; some can be explained, some are just plain dumbfuckery. Cops carry guns and go about all day in a dangerous job; accidents and wrongful deaths will happen. Always a tragedy, of course, but it'll happen no matter what. Covering up or lying is the most stupid and asinine way of dealing with it.