No, I was giving an example of how they're treated by the media, and as an extension, the public consciousness.
[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
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GasBandit
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... so you're trying to assert that one or both statements are inaccurate?
So you don't see a major difference in terminology used for people doing the same thing?
GasBandit
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I see disparate motivations accurately described.
Anyway.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...aced-to-former-sheriffs-deputy-officials-say/
A handgun allegedly carried by Che Taylor when he was fatally shot by two officers Feb. 21 appears to have been originally purchased by a former King County sheriff’s deputy in 2013 at an Issaquah gun store, according to Seattle police records and law-enforcement officials.
The former deputy, Daniel J. Murphy, who was fired by the Sheriff’s Office last year as a result of an unrelated domestic dispute, strongly disputes the claim, saying through an attorney he is the victim of mistaken identity.
Murphy is believed to be the purchaser of the Springfield Armory XDS .45-caliber pistol found in a car Taylor had just exited when he was shot, according to Seattle police records obtained by The Seattle Times under a public-disclosure request.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...aced-to-former-sheriffs-deputy-officials-say/
A handgun allegedly carried by Che Taylor when he was fatally shot by two officers Feb. 21 appears to have been originally purchased by a former King County sheriff’s deputy in 2013 at an Issaquah gun store, according to Seattle police records and law-enforcement officials.
The former deputy, Daniel J. Murphy, who was fired by the Sheriff’s Office last year as a result of an unrelated domestic dispute, strongly disputes the claim, saying through an attorney he is the victim of mistaken identity.
Murphy is believed to be the purchaser of the Springfield Armory XDS .45-caliber pistol found in a car Taylor had just exited when he was shot, according to Seattle police records obtained by The Seattle Times under a public-disclosure request.
Dave
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http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp
Read the story and don't take the racist way out.
I'm confused. It seems like you're posting that pic to show how the media treats blacks differently than whites, but then you link to an article explaining that the captions were written by witnesses honestly describing what they saw.[DOUBLEPOST=1474913869,1474913829][/DOUBLEPOST]These were both taken during the Katrina flooding. Notice any difference with the narrative in the press?[DOUBLEPOST=1474913913][/DOUBLEPOST]And if you think this is fake or doctored...
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp
And hockey is not a stupid reason for a Canadian to riot.
Dave
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Yes. And in both cases it was stated differently. The black guy was looting because he went into the store to get the food. The white people "found" the stuff floating right out of the grocery store but didn't actually go in. What a minor and minute distinction. But one was looting and the other simply "found" it. Because, you know, items flowing out of a grocery store in a current might have been from somewhere else.
That's why finding a $20 dollar bill in the street has the same legal ramifications as taking it from a cash registerYes. And in both cases it was stated differently. The black guy was looting because he went into the store to get the food. The white people "found" the stuff floating right out of the grocery store but didn't actually go in. What a minor and minute distinction. But one was looting and the other simply "found" it. Because, you know, items flowing out of a grocery store in a current might have been from somewhere else.
Dave
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That's why finding a $20 dollar bill in the street has the same legal ramifications as taking it from a cash register
And why I can't fucking read.[DOUBLEPOST=1474934539,1474934501][/DOUBLEPOST](Sorry about that. I'm tired and skimming.)[DOUBLEPOST=1474934572][/DOUBLEPOST]Unless you were disagreeing with me. Jesus. I need to sleep.
You should go to sleep. If you watch the debate like this, you might not make it.
I was disagreeing with you, by the way, because other people's grasp of induction is unreliable at best and I like it when people stick to what they witness, not what they reasonably infer.
I was disagreeing with you, by the way, because other people's grasp of induction is unreliable at best and I like it when people stick to what they witness, not what they reasonably infer.
And this is why @Dave's post was confusing. The link provides a compelling argument that racism didn't contribute to the difference in those captions. It negates them as evidence of systemic racism. And that's really a shame, because there is almost certainly systemic racism in reporting by some media.
Good evidence of that would be great, and helpful. I assume.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/09/el-cajon-police-shooting/
African-American woman calls 911 because her brother was having a seizure or episode of mental distress. Police, aware of what they're responding to (Dispatch refers to it as a 5150 - "When a person, as a result of a mental disorder, is a danger to himself/herself or others or is gravely disabled, a peace officer, a member of the attending staff, or another professional person designated by the county may with probable cause take the person into custody and place him or her in a facility for a 72-hour treatment and evaluation") shot him to death for being noncompliant. He was unarmed.
The entire shooting was captured on mobile phone video from the drive-through at the Los Panchos restaurant. NBC 7’s Dave Summers said an El Cajon lieutenant told him the restaurant worker voluntarily turned over the phone. The video at some point in this investigation will be released, the lieutenant told Summers.
Maria, an employee at Los Panchos in El Cajon, said police came into the restaurant and took all cell phones from employees after the shooting; they told employees not to talk to anyone, according to Maria. NBC 7 has not confirmed how many phones were confiscated.
African-American woman calls 911 because her brother was having a seizure or episode of mental distress. Police, aware of what they're responding to (Dispatch refers to it as a 5150 - "When a person, as a result of a mental disorder, is a danger to himself/herself or others or is gravely disabled, a peace officer, a member of the attending staff, or another professional person designated by the county may with probable cause take the person into custody and place him or her in a facility for a 72-hour treatment and evaluation") shot him to death for being noncompliant. He was unarmed.
The entire shooting was captured on mobile phone video from the drive-through at the Los Panchos restaurant. NBC 7’s Dave Summers said an El Cajon lieutenant told him the restaurant worker voluntarily turned over the phone. The video at some point in this investigation will be released, the lieutenant told Summers.
Maria, an employee at Los Panchos in El Cajon, said police came into the restaurant and took all cell phones from employees after the shooting; they told employees not to talk to anyone, according to Maria. NBC 7 has not confirmed how many phones were confiscated.
Now here's a fun game. Can you spot the difference between the article you posted, and the one posted on Lawofficer?
And dont forget:
Police reactions to these things kind of concern me.
So I posed a question, and this is what I got. What I'm getting from this, is that calling the police in this case was a giant mistake. If we assume that the officers were told that they would be dealing with a mentally unstable person, possibly having an episode of some kind, why would they assume they'd be dealing with a calm, rational subject that would instantly follow any and all commands. If I'm reading these comments right, the man's sister essentially called an execution squad, and there was literally no other way for this to turn out. I'd hate to think I live in a society where there are cases where, despite any wrong doing or illegal activity, it is better to not call the police. The last comment in particular shows me an individual who, if I had my choice, wouldn't be wearing a badge at all.
I hope communities with high minority populations can set up a way/different number to call a hospital or fire station directly for positive assistance when you don't want anyone holding guns to show up. 911 is still a joke.
What a bunch of ignorant fucks.
A person with a mental/psychological disability may imitate people around them. My son is autistic and I could see him going into this stance if he's surrounded by police officers pointing guns at him. Because he imitates people. He's also non-compliant (especially if already agitated) and doesn't communicate. And guess what, if someone calls in a 5150 if he's having a meltdown in public, he's not going to suddenly be cured of autism and able to communicate and comply just because someone with a badge and a gun shows up!
But at least my son's white, so he has a chance of getting out of a situation like this alive. Unlike his black classmates.
I feel so bad for the man's sister. Fucking hell.
I'm still mad about the black therapist who got shot, and then the officer tried to say he was actually shooting at the autistic adult with the toy truck. Go fuck yourself.What a bunch of ignorant fucks.
A person with a mental/psychological disability may imitate people around them. My son is autistic and I could see him going into this stance if he's surrounded by police officers pointing guns at him. Because he imitates people. He's also non-compliant (especially if already agitated) and doesn't communicate. And guess what, if someone calls in a 5150 if he's having a meltdown in public, he's not going to suddenly be cured of autism and able to communicate and comply just because someone with a badge and a gun shows up!
But at least my son's white, so he has a chance of getting out of a situation like this alive. Unlike his black classmates.
I feel so bad for the man's sister. Fucking hell.
Don't jump to conclusions, guys. I'm sure someone on the forum will be around soon to explain how this was actually okay. It just looks like disgusting horrible bullshit.
Oh! that's my cue!
*Ahem*
Uh, well . . . see, it just looks like disguising whoring ballet shoes - wait. That's not the line. Hmmm . . . Let me go polish up on the script. I'll be in my dressing room if you want me.
Any and all of these are, at least, "pretty bad", and veer quite far into "just wrong/unfunny/triggering/"dude, just don't" territory. I absolutely detest any of these reasonings or excuses. To be clear. Each of these would make you sound pretty much literally like a nazi if said seriously. Don't.
"It's a cultural thing, you wouldn't understand"?
"You have to consider the alternative, they could've let him suffer much longer, living with a mental disability is horrible"
"Dude, he was black, who cares?"
"He was, in fact, patient Zero of a horrible zombie plague"
"She should've known better than to call 911, what did she expect in this climate?"
"You have to consider the alternative, they could've let him suffer much longer, living with a mental disability is horrible"
"Dude, he was black, who cares?"
"He was, in fact, patient Zero of a horrible zombie plague"
"She should've known better than to call 911, what did she expect in this climate?"
Second-to-last, if confirmed by coroners and CDC, would be fine and dandy. Can't kill the dead 'n all that.
I know the following sounds obvious, but data is better than "obvious". Also a well written article.
Police Violence Lowers 911 Calls in Black Neighborhoods - The Atlantic
And here is a link to the study itself (pdf) in case you want to look at the actual thing. At a glance it looks pretty decent--no indication of fishing/p-hacking, robust data, control vars, ...
Police Violence Lowers 911 Calls in Black Neighborhoods - The Atlantic
And here is a link to the study itself (pdf) in case you want to look at the actual thing. At a glance it looks pretty decent--no indication of fishing/p-hacking, robust data, control vars, ...
For a change of pace, there's video of police murdering a 6-year old autistic boy (a different minority)
Marksville, LA – After viewing officers gunning down a 6-year-old autistic boy in a police body cam video during court on Wednesday, a state judge released a heavily edited copy of the footage to the public. Although the officers claim that the boy’s father had used his vehicle as a deadly weapon against them, the video clearly shows the father with his hands up and his SUV parked during the fatal shooting.
Around 9:30 p.m. on November 3, 2015, Marksville police began pursuing Christopher Few’s SUV after he had driven off during an argument with his fiancée, who was in a separate vehicle. According to police, the officers decided to conduct a traffic stop because Few had an outstanding warrant. But the Clerk of Court, the District Attorney’s Office, Marksville Police Department, and City Court did not have any warrants against him.
Prior to the shooting, Marksville Police Officer Norris Greenhouse Jr. reported that Few had rammed his SUV into the officer’s patrol car. But State Police detective Rodney Owens testified that no physical evidence exists suggesting Few’s vehicle had collided with Greenhouse’s patrol car.
In the newly released body cam video recorded by Marksville Police Sergeant Kenneth Parnell III, three police cruisers briefly pursue Few’s SUV for several seconds before he parks his vehicle and can be seen holding his empty hands in the air. On Wednesday, Sgt. Parnell told the court that even though he approached the driver’s window with his gun drawn, he did not pull the trigger because the police sergeant did not fear for his life.
“That car was not being used as a deadly weapon at that time,” District Court Judge William Bennett declared after viewing the body cam footage. “I daresay it was not even close to being used as a deadly weapon at that time.”
Due to the fact that the audio was turned off for nearly 30 seconds, the first gunshots cannot be heard. Police Lt. Derrick Stafford and Officer Greenhouse callously fired 18 shots into the vehicle, placing Few in critical condition and killing his 6-year-old autistic son.
Charged with second-degree murder and second-degree attempted murder, Greenhouse and Stafford await separate trials for shooting a man with his hands in the air and murdering his autistic son. Stafford’s trial is scheduled for November 28, while Greenhouse is expected to begin trial in March.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/judge-releases-video-cops-killing-autistic-boy/#TyJDSPs2iHiiRcrF.99
Marksville, LA – After viewing officers gunning down a 6-year-old autistic boy in a police body cam video during court on Wednesday, a state judge released a heavily edited copy of the footage to the public. Although the officers claim that the boy’s father had used his vehicle as a deadly weapon against them, the video clearly shows the father with his hands up and his SUV parked during the fatal shooting.
Around 9:30 p.m. on November 3, 2015, Marksville police began pursuing Christopher Few’s SUV after he had driven off during an argument with his fiancée, who was in a separate vehicle. According to police, the officers decided to conduct a traffic stop because Few had an outstanding warrant. But the Clerk of Court, the District Attorney’s Office, Marksville Police Department, and City Court did not have any warrants against him.
Prior to the shooting, Marksville Police Officer Norris Greenhouse Jr. reported that Few had rammed his SUV into the officer’s patrol car. But State Police detective Rodney Owens testified that no physical evidence exists suggesting Few’s vehicle had collided with Greenhouse’s patrol car.
In the newly released body cam video recorded by Marksville Police Sergeant Kenneth Parnell III, three police cruisers briefly pursue Few’s SUV for several seconds before he parks his vehicle and can be seen holding his empty hands in the air. On Wednesday, Sgt. Parnell told the court that even though he approached the driver’s window with his gun drawn, he did not pull the trigger because the police sergeant did not fear for his life.
“That car was not being used as a deadly weapon at that time,” District Court Judge William Bennett declared after viewing the body cam footage. “I daresay it was not even close to being used as a deadly weapon at that time.”
Due to the fact that the audio was turned off for nearly 30 seconds, the first gunshots cannot be heard. Police Lt. Derrick Stafford and Officer Greenhouse callously fired 18 shots into the vehicle, placing Few in critical condition and killing his 6-year-old autistic son.
Charged with second-degree murder and second-degree attempted murder, Greenhouse and Stafford await separate trials for shooting a man with his hands in the air and murdering his autistic son. Stafford’s trial is scheduled for November 28, while Greenhouse is expected to begin trial in March.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/judge-releases-video-cops-killing-autistic-boy/#TyJDSPs2iHiiRcrF.99
Oh, I only WISH we had those. We've just got the basic Axon Body cameras.
As outraged as I am at this, at LEAST there are murder charges being brought up.
While I agree with everything JO said, I do have to say that the police union guy, up to a point, has a point as well. We're seeing it here as well, though obviously slightly different (Muslim youth being unfairly targeted instead of black, for example): i ncertain communities, the trust between police and the community has been broken. People don't trust the cops anymore, and they will assume the worst, will be more interested in "protecting one of their own" than in seeing justice, they consider a cop more of an enemy or at least a danger than a protector. This creates a very hostile environment for the cops to work in, which further aggrevates the situation. Mind you that the reasons this bond of trust is broken often may lie with the cops themselves (not each individual but etc), institutional problems, and so forth, that doesn't change the fact that, here and now, the situation is like that. If you're a white cop doing a beat in a black, poor area in certain states, well, you will be met with hostility, anger, hate, fear (you know, all those Dark Side emotions....Huh.), and it will be harder to do your job the way you should.
What is up with that baffling tangent where John Oliver pretends he can't imagine someone harming or killing a person with their fists?
It needs to be hard for cops to do their job when their job is putting minorities in prison as efficiently as possible. It needs to be hard for cops to do their job when their job is to shoot first, de-escalate later. When cops' jobs and training change from "shoot anyone resisting or fleeing" to "protect and serve", then I hope it's easier for them to do their jobs.
GasBandit
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that movie is about lazy cops trying to destroy two young men's lives because of their shoddy training and implicit biases, it's one of my favorites.
If it were remade today, Kevin Hart would play the lead and he'd be defending two black men
If it were remade today, Kevin Hart would play the lead and he'd be defending two black men