How much of a percentage of the population do you think is immigrants? It's about 13% of the population is foriegn born. So they found new companies at rates far higher than the native born population. That math remedial enough for you?
Now you're just lieing. You said we could do the Norway model if we also did their immigration policy. So not only intellectually bankrupt morally as well.
To which my response is that socialism isn't hostile to entrepreneurial endeavor, but rather the excesses of late stage capitalism as practiced in America. Socialism does not care if you start a restaurant or how successful it becomes, it only cares if you're paying your taxes into the system to provide for the welfare of the state and it's people. Or do you think there are no small businesses in Norway? Hell, Peppes Pizza was started by two American immigrants in Norway and it serves 9 million pizzas a year in 11 cities, being the largest chain in the region. I've even been told it's decently good by a friend who visited Norway for a Ghost concert. It's clear that the system allows for even widespread successes in the country.
Practically all Americans like to equate social-democracy to socialism. Try telling them their "patriotism" is pretty much "nationalism" by another name and watch the fireworks, though!
Nah, nationalism is in now.
I wish I could find it (my googling failed) but one of the reactions to that report (or possibly part of the report itself) also mentioned how there was a VAST disparity in whom is employed by businesses started by immigrants vs non-immigrants. What I mean is that Immigrant-started businesses tend to employ family members, and that's it. They don't create jobs for others, just themselves, whereas while this is also true for non-immigrant started businesses, the percentages are vastly different. It was something like 80%+ of immigrant-started businesses employ only family, whereas it was below 50% for the other case (or my numbers could be off by 20% either way, or more, but the general point was the same). So if talking about the job creation power of small businesses, the numbers went completely opposite.
Immigrants who start businesses mainly do so because it's the best employment they can find because no one will hire them for work they qualify for. Jobs created by the unemployable to hire themselves and other unemployables is still job creation, even if those jobs are lower paying and offer fewer benefits than other jobs, and is preferable to the generally under the table situation undocumented immigrants are often forced to endure. You also tend to see differences on who they hire based on where they are from; immigrants from some countries (like Mexico) like to keep it in the family, while folks from Africa are generally more willing to hire other Africans even if they are unrelated.
It still doesn't have the effect on the bottom line you guys are implying it does.
Clearly you're also unable to discern rhetorical devices as well. Anyone (well, perhaps any native-english speaker, that I'll grant) would be able to discern that I was intentionally presenting the unpalatable as part and parcel with the (largely imaginary) socialist utopia everyone's so enamored with.
It's "clear" from a single anecdotal example?
I didn't read to closely between the lines for such things. Maybe because I'm used to being told by some folks around the forums here that even europe's right-wing is left of our left wing.
I think it's more "notoriously funded by the coal industry, tobacco industry, and Koch brothers" Heritage foundation and less "libertarian". Not to mention in bed with Trump and his administration.
Yeah, he can. Seriously, what the fuck Bernie? You could have asked Harris and she'd have made you her VP pick in a heartbeat.
And I'm not sure how I feel about it. I still love the guy and he's the only one in the last election that had any sort of a plan. Whether you agreed with him or not, he's the only one who didn't dodge questions and had a concrete plan to pay for his campaign promises.
Well that's depressing.
Another lie of course. My claim was always that immigrants were very entrepreneurial nothing more. Maybe you should take some adult literacy classes?
Which you phrased as we can do that if we also do their immigration policy. If you weren't such an [redacted] big jerkface I would give you the benefit of the doubt here and put it down to you making an interesting point in a stupid way. But you are so I won't.
A kinder and more benevolent admin there has never been.
Rather than leaving in the typo, perhaps you could move it to the thread title.
