Apparently the answer to this question is an emphatic, long winded "No".
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By accounts of BOTH PEOPLE PRESENT THERE, he said "i'm going to do something you won't like".
As I've said before, and many others, at that point in time,that might've literally been anything from kicking the dog, over poisoning the dog, to outright killing the dog.
it's great for you that you have such a positive view of humanity that your only idea of what might conceivably happen is "he gave the dog a treat", but that's not realistically the only bad thing that might happen.
Again, she's far more at fault than he is - he confronted her, she got uppity, he didn't just let the matter drop but pushed on to make his point, and she grossly overreacted. But he did give her cause to be at least mildly worried something bad might happen. Combined with general fear of strangers, racism, sexism, ageism, and whatever other isms or mentality you might want to add to her side, made her go straight from "mild worry" to "I need to try and kill this other person", which is most definitely on her.
This thread has shown the most info on the person who wears the hat, Jonathan Lee Riches. The dude basically considers himself a professional troll and has been stirring shit for years. It shows some other images of him wearing the same hat. It looks like he isn't Derek Chauvin, who was the cop that killed George Floyd.
It was literally the only thing that would happen. Unless you have some proof that a 55 year old bird watcher was getting ready to outright murder a dog. Which you don't of course.
Now maybe I'm a little naive but at least I don't believe that randos are perfectly willing to murder a dog literally with no proof. I'm not willing to put that on the victim here.
Any reason why he should have just let the matter drop? Some reason why it's his responsibility to not insist that she leash her dog as required?
If a stranger calls my dog over, it's a threat, unless they ask first. If a stranger calls my dog over after saying I won't like it, it's even more of a threat. I don't know how that's hard to figure out.
No one has said it's worth what the woman did. Why are you still kicking this can down the road?
Never underestimate what random people are willing to do.
I also wish to reiterate that none of us are saying he was willing the murder the dog. We have hindsight to thank for that. We are saying that, in this woman's mind, she had no idea what he was going to do. She only just met him, had no idea what his name was, his age, or even his hobbies or intentions. All she knew was the dude didn't like the dog off his leash, told her "You ain't going to like it" and then attempted to call the dog over to him. If you can't see how that would be threatening no matter who says it, I don't really know what to tell you.
I don't know if this is the best example, the article reads like kids who fucked up then blamed the first stereotype they could think of. (No one saw this person but the kids jumped out at me)
But there are plenty of documented incidents of people leaving poisoned treats out for animals just because they don't like them.
It was mostly the first one that popped up in a quick search, and was the one closest on my memory. It's true we never know for certain if it was true or a fabrication, but there are many other instances of a dog getting shot (usually with the person screaming self-defense) or poisoned by strangers, you have to at least have some skepticism towards someone handling your pet when you don't know them.
Randos do horrible stuff all the time. In the past few days, people have been going around chainsawing hundreds of hundreds-years-old oak trees in various national parks around here mostly-through - those tress are doomed. Different areas of the country, different regions, there's no development happening anywhere or anything - just brutal vandalism for no discernible reason. People be jackasses, yo.
Anyway - you really seem to have a problem placing yourself in her head. Again, SHE'S AT FAULT, and nobody's disputing that.
But if I was a small thin white girl, and a big old black guy was being aggressive (talking to me, trying to force me to do stuff I don't want to do, telling how to behave), and we were all alone somewhere out in a park, then making threats towards my dog, yes I'd feel threatened.
Why should he have let it lie? In a perfect world, no reason - I think it's perfectly OK for me to point out "excuse me, you're in a no-smoking zone, please put out your cigarette", and I'm in my right to say "excuse me, please put your dog on a leash, it's illegal to let them run wild here", or whatever. In this world, however, if, after I point something like that out, the other person doesn't comply and gets in my face about it...I'm going to step away. I'm not a cop, I'm not their parent, I don't actually have any authority to make them behave as they should - that's up to their citizenship, reason, solidarity, what-have-you. There was no good reason for him to "make a point" so she would learn from it. if he really thought the loose dog was a problem, snap a few pictures, send 'm to the cops.
Anyway - you really seem to have a problem placing yourself in her head. Again, SHE'S AT FAULT, and nobody's disputing that.
But if I was a small thin white girl, and a big old black guy was being aggressive (talking to me, trying to force me to do stuff I don't want to do, telling how to behave), and we were all alone somewhere out in a park, then making threats towards my dog, yes I'd feel threatened.
Why should he have let it lie? In a perfect world, no reason - I think it's perfectly OK for me to point out "excuse me, you're in a no-smoking zone, please put out your cigarette", and I'm in my right to say "excuse me, please put your dog on a leash, it's illegal to let them run wild here", or whatever. In this world, however, if, after I point something like that out, the other person doesn't comply and gets in my face about it...I'm going to step away. I'm not a cop, I'm not their parent, I don't actually have any authority to make them behave as they should - that's up to their citizenship, reason, solidarity, what-have-you. There was no good reason for him to "make a point" so she would learn from it. if he really thought the loose dog was a problem, snap a few pictures, send 'm to the cops.
Said right after posting a link to a random dog shooting. Subtle.
Like I've said I can see how she would misunderstand him. I just don't believe that suddenly makes him in the wrong.
And that her flying off the handle isn't his fault.
It isn't his fault, you're the only one insinuating that anything we are saying is implying it was his fault. All we are bringing up is that he could have also approached the situation better, but in the end, the woman made her own bed by raising the whole thing to eleven. If you wish to keep arguing that any possible negative action on his part means people here think he deserved to possibly die, then I don't know what to tell you. The world has more nuance then that.
This is the first time I've said anything, because I got sick of seeing this go on for over a page on a funny pictures thread.
Yeah, @Dave @GasBandit any chance we can get this whole argument moved into its own / a different thread so people can go back to posting funny pictures here?
You literally said that he escalated the situation and that his actions probably caused it to get to the point that it did.
And this applies here how?
So you'd in effect say "do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do"?
This might be an issue once again of misunderstanding of meaning, but in situations like this the fault lays with the person that started the problem. She started the issue by not leashing her dog, and thus all fault lays with her for breaking the law. The only time this changes is if he escalated the issue to him actually harming, abusing, or consistently harassing her. He didn't, so he isn't at fault no matter how she may have interpreted his words, and then was the one to escalate it to actual, possible violence. His words possibly exasperating the problem does not mean he is at fault for the problem. It's not a hard concept.
BTW that is the last I will say on the matter, as I have a feeling you are not going to care about understanding or meaning. You have made your bed and you want to keep sleeping in it, so I am going to gracefully let this thread return to it's purpose no matter what you my reply to this. Have a good one.
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Dave
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Done. Moved to the police state one, although I debated moving it to the general political one. But since it preys on her fears of the bad black man I thought either would be justified.
Obama?
No misunderstanding on my part.
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And he even hasn't got a "not guilty" verdict yet.
I 100% believe he should be presumed innocent unless and until found guilty by a judge and/or jury of his peers.
Lynching him without due process would literally be a murder no different than the one he is accused of.
As such, a police presence protecting an accused at risk of lynching would be completely appropriate.
--Patrick
Lynching him without due process would literally be a murder no different than the one he is accused of.
As such, a police presence protecting an accused at risk of lynching would be completely appropriate.
--Patrick
I fully agree with all of the above.
Taking him into protective custody in a cell would send a very different message to posing a literal army of heavily armed riot police around his house, though. A better one.
Not really since there is video of him murdering someone. Whereas the worst Floyd did was forgery. Lynching shouldn't be legal, but if he were lynched it wouldn't be a tragedy in the slightest.
I don't know, man. I've heard tell people can mysteriously die once they're put in a cell.
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--Patrick