[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

Not really since there is video of him murdering someone. Whereas the worst Floyd did was forgery. Lynching shouldn't be legal, but if he were lynched it wouldn't be a tragedy in the slightest.
There is a big biiiiig difference between someone being punished by the courts in accordance with the rule of law & mob "justice". The former is the way things should be done & the latter is always a tragedy regardless of whether the victim - and yes if you're lynched then you are by definition a victim - "deserved" it or not.

This guy should rot in jail, he should not be executed either by the state - Minnesota does not have the death penalty - & certainly not by a mob.
 

Dave

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Also at the house is, you know, his family. Those people who didn't do anything wrong. The dude should be in a cell just like any other citizen would be. Except for a rich guy who would turn himself in later.
 
Think this might hurt her chances at VP?


Klobuchar also called for a “complete and thorough outside investigation into what occurred, and those involved in this incident must be held accountable.” However, this is unlikely to occur, in no small part because of Klobuchar herself and the precedent she set while serving as the state’s chief prosecutor between 1999 and 2007. In that time, she declined to bring charges against more than two dozen officers who had killed citizens while on duty – including against Chauvin himself, who shot and killed Wayne Reyes in 2006 and would later go on to shoot more civilians while in uniform.
 
I 100% believe he should be presumed innocent unless and until found guilty by a judge and/or jury of his peers.
Lynching him without due process would literally be a murder no different than the one he is accused of.
As such, a police presence protecting an accused at risk of lynching would be completely appropriate.

--Patrick
I could see maybe 5 cops on a protective detail. The police there were easily ten times that number.

This wasn't about protection it's about sending a message that they don't fucking care what he did cops will protect their own.
 
This wasn't about protection it's about sending a message that they don't fucking care what he did cops will protect their own.
That is definitely one possible interpretation, yes.
Shame they didn't have anyone recognize that they might come across like this and therby hurt their image, hmm?

--Patrick
 

figmentPez

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That is definitely one possible interpretation, yes.
Shame they didn't have anyone recognize that they might come across like this and therby hurt their image, hmm?
Hurt their image? Are you kidding me? There are two demographics this message is aimed at: minorities and white people. They clearly don't care what minorities think, and the majority of white people want them to protect their own, because they think that means the police will protect them, too. This isn't going to hurt their image.
 
Amazing. One has to wonder what it takes to be a crime when you are wearing a uniform and a badge.
Funny you should mention this, as there’s essentially this exact same debate going on right now over a little thing called "qualified immunity," which, as currently interpreted, essentially says that an officer can't be held liable for doing something illegal unless (s)he knew it was illegal at the time and/or there exists precedent that the action was illegal.
Hurt their image? [...] This isn't going to hurt their image.
Since I was apparently too subtle: Yes, they are obviously doing this to send a message, presumably one saying that they are united in the defense of their comrade and that you shouldn't mess with them, etc.

But they obviously don't realize (or don't care!) about the underlying subtext the rest of the world is reading into it, which is saying things like:
-Cop lives somehow hold more value than non-cops' lives.
-Law enforcement officers, by virtue of their position, should not be required to follow the law as closely as the remainder of the citizenry, and should be allowed to throw their weight around from time to time.
-Killing a perp in the line of duty is not unusual and should be no cause for concern.
-We will faithfully hush up each other's mistakes.
...and more, I'm sure.

--Patrick
 
Those two guys are well documented right wing neo-nazi types. They're not there to stop looting, they're there for the chance to murder someone.
 

figmentPez

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But they obviously don't realize (or don't care!) about the underlying subtext the rest of the world is reading into it, which is saying things like:
-Cop lives somehow hold more value than non-cops' lives.
A lot of white people already believe this, and they think it's beneficial to them because they also believe in trickle-down economics. They think if they laud cops enough, it will will make them safer.

-Law enforcement officers, by virtue of their position, should not be required to follow the law as closely as the remainder of the citizenry, and should be allowed to throw their weight around from time to time.
Again, a lot of white people already believe this, because they think it will benefit them. See how often the "good" cops on TV shows have to break the rules in order to protect victims.

-Killing a perp in the line of duty is not unusual and should be no cause for concern.
See above. Little kids at white middle schools will gleefully ask cops "Have you ever shot anyone?" because they think it's common for cops to shoot bad guys, and most of them will never outgrow that belief.

-We will faithfully hush up each other's mistakes.
See above, and I'll add that white suburbanites also hush up sports stars "mistakes", and the "indiscretions" of clergy, and are all too eager to shrug off financial misconduct of every sort from businesses. "But surely they had a good reason to do it." "It wasn't typical", "There were extenuating circumstances", "They had to break the rules for the sake of justice".....

...and more, I'm sure.
Yeah, there's a lot more, and by and large middle class white people have had all these issues put in gilded frames on the wall for decades. All buffed and shiny telling them "it's for the good of society*" and in tiny little print "*obedient productive white christian members of society".
 


So, uhhh, Chauvin and Floyd worked at the same time at the same nightclub as recently as last year? So they very likely knew each other.
 
Trump threatening to mass murder everyone involved in the rioting? Cool. Burn it down. Tear down everything.

I'd probably be doing my best as a street medic if I lived there.
 
The difference between "there are good people on both sides" and "these people can all go and die,there's nothing good about them" is...Well, not at all surprising, really. Still saddening.
 
“Protesters break into, set fire to 3rd precinct building.”

Well maybe if they hadn’t all left to go hang out at their buddy’s house, this wouldn’t have happened?

—Patrick
 
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Twitter flagged Trump's tweet overnight. Prepare for an eruption come daylight.
I really don't see how trump sees this play out. I mean, I assume he's got a plan/agenda, but...what is it? Dos he really think he can bring down Twitter because he's the King High Royal Omnipotent? Does he really think stoking up anti-twitter sentiment even further is a winning move? Is he going to try to bring Gab or whatever to prominence? I don't really see what he has to gain by antagonizing his number one communication tool.
 
I really don't see how trump sees this play out. I mean, I assume he's got a plan/agenda, but...what is it? Dos he really think he can bring down Twitter because he's the King High Royal Omnipotent? Does he really think stoking up anti-twitter sentiment even further is a winning move? Is he going to try to bring Gab or whatever to prominence? I don't really see what he has to gain by antagonizing his number one communication tool.
It's a distraction from corona
 
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