GasBandit
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Well, if you have nails and a hammer and the nails don't get driven, it seems the problem is not with the hammer.
Which is not what was posted.
[News] US Capitol Siege 6 January 2021
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Really...
Was there some other Capitol siege I don't know about? Because the 6th was practically a klan rally.
figmentPez
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"Crushing"? I think they're underestimating the ability of QAnon believers to rationalize away anything counter to the lies they've bought into.
This is really stretching the metaphor but, if the hammer keeps injuring you somehow (by regularly falling off a shelf and landing on your foot for instance) and people keep asking why you don't get rid of it but you never do because "what if I need to hammer some nails?" but then you do need to hammer some nails but you still don't use the hammer...whats the point of the hammer? Other than injuring you?
I can feel 10 different variations of "the Deep State got to him" being written at the same time.
For what it's worth, gas, I've changed my stance on the 2nd amendment. But then I've also become an anarchist in the process so...
However, "gun culture" is still something that needs to be addressed if we ever return to a time when we aren't on the verge of violent collapse.
They were a threat to Congress, sure.
Dunno about the Guard, etc.
Of course, as you and @Dave both say, they'd be more of a threat if there was some kind of formal training plan for this militia.
--Patrick
GasBandit
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You're only reading the parts of my post you want. I posted:
" The next time another forum debate about the 2nd amendment comes up, I want people @'ing me to remember this event before they scoff at the threat posed to the federal government by an armed citizenry. "
And you interpreted that as
"A white power tantrum justifies the 2nd amendment."
No, that is not what I said. What I said is that this white power tantrum has demonstrably disproven the concept that an armed citizenry cannot pose a threat to the federal government, which is a concept often put forth in gun control debates here and elsewhere.
The federal government was feeling VERY threatened, both on the 6th and after it.
The asshole neighbor just demonstrated he knows how to hammer nails... too bad it was to erect a cross on somebody's lawn. If only the people who are afraid of hammers would realize you can also use it to build nice fences and houses.
GasBandit
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Also, to address the "yeah but THEY HAD HELP FROM INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT" counterarguments:
They always will. And you always will. "The Government" is not a monolithic entity with a single mind and purpose. As Shepherd Book pointed out, governments ARE people (themselves largely ungoverned). There will be those who aid and abet you, and there will be those who aid and abet the other side, and there will those who mobilize people to aid and abet their own causes. You don't need 100% unity to effect change. Loud pluralities (and even minorities) affect change all the time. The majority of colonists did not support the idea of Independence in 1776, and the majority of Germans did not condone fascism in 1938.
They always will. And you always will. "The Government" is not a monolithic entity with a single mind and purpose. As Shepherd Book pointed out, governments ARE people (themselves largely ungoverned). There will be those who aid and abet you, and there will be those who aid and abet the other side, and there will those who mobilize people to aid and abet their own causes. You don't need 100% unity to effect change. Loud pluralities (and even minorities) affect change all the time. The majority of colonists did not support the idea of Independence in 1776, and the majority of Germans did not condone fascism in 1938.
GasBandit
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It's just really lucky they didn't actually find any legislative hostages and turn this into Cliven Bundy Standoff 2: DC Boogaloo
Is it? Did we luck out? Because I'd argue their failure only extends this nonsense.
Someone did and she was shot dead for it.
GasBandit
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I suppose there's an argument to be made for that.
A lot is going to ride on how much accountability is held, both for the insurrectionists and for their enablers in the government.
A side note: it's been pointed out by others that a lot of the weapons seen at these trumpkin events are quite expensive. So what we've been seeing is really just rich old white guys looking out for no one but rich old white guys.
Has that douchenozzle been kicked off of twitter yet?
He did take that tweet down PDQ
figmentPez
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Proud Boys leader Joseph Biggs arrested in Florida in connection with the Capitol riot
"Joseph Randall Biggs, 37, of Florida was arrested Wednesday and is facing three counts -- obstruction of a proceeding, entering restricted grounds and disorderly conduct -- for his part in the siege of the Capitol on January 6, according to the Justice Department and an FBI affidavit. The FBI described Biggs in the affidavit as an organizer for the Proud Boys."
"Joseph Randall Biggs, 37, of Florida was arrested Wednesday and is facing three counts -- obstruction of a proceeding, entering restricted grounds and disorderly conduct -- for his part in the siege of the Capitol on January 6, according to the Justice Department and an FBI affidavit. The FBI described Biggs in the affidavit as an organizer for the Proud Boys."
figmentPez
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I'm a little confused about what "Stop the Steal" supporters who didn't support the insurrection have as a plan of action. They think the courts are against them, the joint chiefs of the military are against them, the justice department is against them, most of the media is against them, friendly allied nations are against them, the entire tech industry is against them, ... They think this is some massive bipartisan conspiracy that stretches across the globe and yet they think there's a legal way for them to proceed?
"<Elected offical> didn't tell them to be violent!" So what were they encouraging them to do? They told them to do everything they could to stop this. They told them there would be no nation if Biden is president. They told them that they would have no freedoms left if the election is not overturned. There is no other option left to overturn the election. There are no lawsuits left to file, there are no court battles left to be had. Democrats control the House and the Senate. What option are "Stop the Steal" supporters planning to take now, if not violent insurrection?
"<Elected offical> didn't tell them to be violent!" So what were they encouraging them to do? They told them to do everything they could to stop this. They told them there would be no nation if Biden is president. They told them that they would have no freedoms left if the election is not overturned. There is no other option left to overturn the election. There are no lawsuits left to file, there are no court battles left to be had. Democrats control the House and the Senate. What option are "Stop the Steal" supporters planning to take now, if not violent insurrection?
Candlelight vigils, peaceful million man marches on DC, thoughts and prayers, take back the house in 2 years, follow the Real Media for the frauds to be revealed and hope the corrupt MSM will report it once it becomes obvious the People aren't sheep.
figmentPez
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But they were told that vigils and marches would be outlawed under Biden. They were told that voting wouldn't work because voting can't be trusted anymore.
That's what the thoughts and prayers are for! We shall overcome!
See my boilerplate reply. They're not worth the time or energy to engage, so fuck 'em. Don't even waste energy to think up "what about X?" FUCK. 'EM.
We have enough to deal with trying to fix the damage they've already done.
figmentPez
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