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What she is promoting isn't the problem, the fact that people are listening is the problem. The scope of what her opinion should have weight is small. On the issues she is discussing she has no weight at all. So how does society stop giving credibility to the undeserving?
The same could be said of JK Rowling. She's not a politician and doesn't wield any political power. But she's a major, public figure. Her words can - and have - influence others. In fact, a GOP senator quoted her anti-trans rhetoric while blocking a bill regarding LGBTQ rights. There's free speech, but there's also an affect for that speech because people DO listen to these people because they're public figures and because they're famous and because they have a platform to say what they want, whether it's true or not. Her words DO carry weight because they continue to push the same rhetoric and false narratives that others like her do.

Same as Trump. More than half of what happened over the last 4+ years is because Trump had the platforms to spew his nonsense, which is followers ate up to the point that they believed the election was stolen and we saw that all come to fruition on January 6.
 
why does anyone care what kind of a person she is? Do her views matter to you? Why do they matter to you? Stop expecting perfection from strangers.
The character she plays on the show is one of the "Good Guys." As such, the things she does in real life will unavoidably be conflated with that character, and will therefore gain additional "this is what Good Guys™ would do" legitimacy IRL due to that association.
how does society stop giving credibility to the undeserving?
Removing her from the show breaks the above conflation, and since her face will no longer be seen doing heroic good guy stuff, her ongoing reputation will be weighted more strongly by her actual personal attitude as opposed to how the show's writers paint her character.

In short, society needs to get better at calling people on their bullshit.

--Patrick
 
That solution just kicks it down the road, and doesn't solve anything. Unless we find a way to stop giving credibility to the popular and not to the meritorious, we will be talking about this again and again.
 
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figmentPez

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That solution just kicks it down the road, and doesn't solve anything. Unless we find a way to stop giving credibility to the popular and not to the meritorious, we will be talking about this again and again.
Well, until we do come up with a better solution (and I have nothing to offer because it really seems to be innate to human nature to look up to popular people to follow their opinions), then we have to do what we can to limit the harm of bigots who gain fame.
 
That solution just kicks it down the road, and doesn't aolve anything. Unless we find a way to stop giving credibility to the popular and not to the meritorious, we will be talking about this again and again.
Then what is your solution?

You can't stop celebrity from being seen as important, because celebrities occupy a part of our monkey sphere. We never meet them, but we KNOW them because we grew up seeing them, multiple times a year. We subconsciously give these people more of a benefit because we see them part of our circle, regardless of that not being possible on a literal level (most of the time anyways). When an actor we look to as a hero turns out to be smothering kids in his spare time, we take that PERSONALLY, it's seen as a literal betrayal, because deep in our monkey brain we looked to that person as a familiar memory, an old friend.

Ask the average person who the best astrophysicist is, and you will likely hear Neil deGrasse Tyson or Stephen Hawking. Once in a while you might land on a random science nerd that will say someone like Kip Thorne. Of course the first group won't even know who Kip Thorne is, but that isn't the point, they only know the first two guys due to their celebrity status in pop culture and then just assume they must be the best at what they do, otherwise, why would they be so well known?

This is what Trump did. He is a terrible business man that lost all of his dads money, went through six bankruptcies, dozens of failed endeavors (Trump Air, Trump Steaks, etc) and is in extreme debt with various banks and who knows who else. Yet he won the presidency in part because people believed he was a suave, hot business guru, all because he has a reality TV show where he got to say "Your fired!" on camera to a random doofus the producers found in a acting register, and a solid gold apartment in a building it turns out he might not even actually own.

If you can find a way to prevent people from looking at celebrities in that way, at all, through their entire lives, I would love to hear it, but I feel you are going to be unable to do it.
 
One solution, which would be a very long-term solution, is a better education system. Teach people better critical thinking skills. Teach them not to take someone's "facts" as true just because it's, say, Trump saying it.

We're never going to stop celebrity worship and famous people have always had an influence on people. Hell, I'd argue they have more influence over public opinion than politicians. But at least we can maybe reduce people believing their bullshit.
 
The irony of asking someone wholely unsuited to solve a complex society issue, while that person is arguing against giving voices to be unsuited to be listened to is not lost on me.

So, I truly don't know. But the longer we keep down this path, the worse we are. The speed of our communications have only exacerbated this issue.
 
Stop expecting perfection from strangers.
There's a big fucking difference between "perfection" and "saying republicans are like the Jews in Nazi Germany." The only reason Disney deems her "unworthy of being sold" is because people are pissed of at her, ie "demanding perfection."
 
The irony of asking someone wholely unsuited to solve a complex society issue, while that person is arguing against giving voices to be unsuited to be listened to is not lost on me.
Then what are you arguing?

Gina was, in a way, de-platformed by being removed from a hot TV show and losing her acting agency, meaning she won't likely appear in many films anymore. Does it suck for her? Yes, but that is the best way to slow down the rhetoric she has been insinuating by lowering her public profile.

You seem like you think this was a bad idea, and imply that we should just not give her social capital to spread. That ignores the psychology of how our brains work and the strength of familiarity.
 
That solution just kicks it down the road, and doesn't solve anything. Unless we find a way to stop giving credibility to the popular and not to the meritorious, we will be talking about this again and again.
Well, we still have murders even though we've been punishing people for them since forever. And yet you don't hear many people arguing for just letting people murder each other.


There's a big fucking difference between "perfection" and "saying republicans are like the Jews in Nazi Germany."
The real irony is that between Jews and nazism, only one is a "political view".
 

GasBandit

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It's kind of like Chris Pratt. He apparently also has...less than savor opinions about things. But he's smart enough to keep quiet about it.
Another difference is, when Pratt started coming under fire, all his marvel co-workers piped up to vouch for him. That made me continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Reminder that him "coming under fire" was people on twitter saying that if you had to get rid of one of the Chrises, it'd be him because he's a conservative.
 
Reminder that him "coming under fire" was people on twitter saying that if you had to get rid of one of the Chrises, it'd be him because he's a conservative.
Being "Conservative" these days can be pretty loaded, though. "Conservative" very likely means being against LGBTQ communities (or being against equality for certain groups), possibly racist, anti-science, voter suppression (especially among those noted groups), and many other things. Having Conservative views these days can be very harmful for minorities, women, people in the LGBTQ community, etc. To an outsider, I don't see much difference between Trump supporters and Conservatives. Especially when more supported him than spoke out against him in the last 4+ years.

EDIT: Also, it wasn't just because he was Conservative. There was this little nugget that raised eyebrows:

 
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Here's the bullet points copy and pasted from somewhere else because I'm not going to even look for a link to her interview that went up with Shen Bapiro.


* This was the first time she's ever voted in her life, because 'no other politician turned me on before.'
* She said: "As someone new to the political world, I'm listening to a lot of you guys [Ben Shapiro], you guys were making the most sense to me, that was all. You guys seemed intelligent, well spoken, you're speaking some truth, calling out hard truths. That's why I kinda found myself on this side, I guess."
* She's unsure about election integrity because she wasn't required to show her ID at the polling place and "everyone was wearing masks."
* Tries to lump Pedro Pascal in with herself. She says "I know that we both have misstepped on our tweets.... I know he's said and done some hurtful things. I don't think posting anybody's number on social media is okay." Basically tried to imply Pedro doxxed someone, when in reality he posted Ted Cruz's office number that is publicly listed on his official website.
* Refers to the garbage ass memes she posts as "think pieces" that get wrongly misinterpreted. Of the holocaust one that got her fired, her exact words were: "I thought it would be more of a thing where it'd bring people together."
 

You knew something like this was going to happen, but considering it was five seasons' worth of material, at least the scale of it is more like what happened to Schoolhouse Rock as opposed to WKRP In Cincinnati.

--Patrickl
 
They just announced the name of the next Spider-Man movie, Spider-Man : No Way Home.

Many people have been theorizing that this will be multiverse based with Tom Holland's Spider-Man meeting up with both McGuire and Garfield Spider-Men, but Tom supposedly said that they are not involved in a recent interview. Of course, this is Holland, so for all we know he is just trying hard to misdirect.

Even if they don't bring back the other spider-men, I definitely do think that Holland's is going to get lost in the multiverse and appear in those movie universes, likely in quick little cameos, thus why we know there will be scenes with Molina's Doc Ock and Jamie Foxx's Electro. The name really implies that he is lost somewhere trying to return back home, and while it could just be he is lost in, like, Cancun or something, it really feels like if they were going to send him somewhere it would either be space or dimensions, and since Phase 4 is going all in on multiverse theory it really makes sense he would be getting lost there.
 
They just announced the name of the next Spider-Man movie, Spider-Man : No Way Home.

Many people have been theorizing that this will be multiverse based with Tom Holland's Spider-Man meeting up with both McGuire and Garfield Spider-Men, but Tom supposedly said that they are not involved in a recent interview. Of course, this is Holland, so for all we know he is just trying hard to misdirect.

Even if they don't bring back the other spider-men, I definitely do think that Holland's is going to get lost in the multiverse and appear in those movie universes, likely in quick little cameos, thus why we know there will be scenes with Molina's Doc Ock and Jamie Foxx's Electro. The name really implies that he is lost somewhere trying to return back home, and while it could just be he is lost in, like, Cancun or something, it really feels like if they were going to send him somewhere it would either be space or dimensions, and since Phase 4 is going all in on multiverse theory it really makes sense he would be getting lost there.
If this is Holland's last movie as Spider-Man I hope they let him go out with bigger bang than lost in Cancun.
 
*Marv enters the dual McCallister/Parker household, completely suited up in a Scorpion power-armor* "Okay you little shits. Let's see you drop an iron on me now"
 
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