See, I'm of the opinion that threads like this are specifically for people to discuss spoilers without the need of tags at all. We've done this before with various movies and shows. If you enter a thread created to discuss a movie or show, then it should be an "Enter at your own risk" kind of thing. It's a minor thing, honestly. If this were still the general TV discussion or MCU thread, then spoiler tag away.
A Loki Place for Spoilers
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Two things, 1) You don't have memories of yourself from an alternate viewpoint, so they wouldn't see an alternate version of Sylvie at the train station, and 2) She has the ability to manipulate the memories for her needs, like how she inserted herself into a memory with the commander at the start, and even did things like changing the time of day half way through.
When it comes to stuff like her sleeping, that would be part of the ruse. As for how we saw her in the train reacting without Loki nearby, well, that is definitely a crack in the theory, but its not exactly a breaker, because movies do that all the time too (show events without the protag even though it ends up being a dream the protag was having).
This one is easy, 1) She comes from a pre-time keepers timeline, one that they pruned while crafting the Sacred Timeline, and 2) She was recruited out of said deleted timeline to be a member of the original TVA and had her memory wiped. Think about it, how did she get to understand the mechanics of their tech so well that she could hotwire a timeline carpet bomb? This is someone with intimate knowledge about the TVA and the technology they use. My theory is that a long time ago while on a mission as some type of Analyst, her magic powers returned to her, and gave her back her original memory and the knowledge of the destruction of her timeline. She is out for revenge now realizing that everyone she loved was erased.
Ah, see, i always assumed that the Time Keepers creating them was obvious BS.
I mean being in a place from a memory and actually experiencing the memory isn't the same thing, there's no reason why there would be a Sylvie memory copy.
Near the end she says something about stronger minds making it like they're both there, so it's likely that she's not "not the center of the projection".
She might be from before the timeline war destroyed everything.
Hell, maybe the whole TVA staff is.
Are people actually mad about that?
It's the internet and a character was revealed as gay. Of course people are mad. The usual suspects, of course.
So....nobody noteworthy.
A couple of days ago we watched Ragnarok with my son, and I told him that the large wolf was named Fenrir, and "in Norse mythology, Loki is his father!". My son was completely nonplussed by this tibit.
So if he won't bat an eye at that revelation, Loki being bisexual is a non-issue at this point.
So if he won't bat an eye at that revelation, Loki being bisexual is a non-issue at this point.
And that is the most normal relationship he had, re offspring. And that this is the version Christian monks wrote down to best convince the Norse how similar their beliefs were to Christianity.
So my old theories were wrong. It was nice to get a real backstory on Sylvie but also it was confirmed the last episode was not some sort of memory space. Still does not explain how Loki can lift a building with his mind though.
When they "pruned" Mobius and later Loki and I was like,
Seriously, the minute I actually saw the Time Keepers and not just the creepy silhouette in the beginning, I was like "This is the worst CGI they ever did. What the hell." and then they just sat there and didn't react during the entire fight, not even fear or worry or anger, and I was like "Something does not feel right about this, this is just sloppy."
Then the head came off and I was like, "Oh you sons of bitches, you got me."
The post-credits scene though? Talk about nuts. When they showed that sort of post apocalyptic New York in the trailers, I thought it was another timeline, but now I think what the TVA does is actually sends Variants to what amounts to a dimensional trash bin. The reason the buildings and stuff in the trailer are so broken up and lopsided is because if they also get "pruned" from the time charges it throws them in there too. The good news, this mean Mobius is alive too!
Now for next week, I have a feeling Loki will have to save Mobius from other Lokis that hate him for being part of the TVA, lead by the "President Loki" which is basically a Loki that won the Battle of New York and was pruned for it. It's likely due to the massive change Loki winning would do to New York itself, meant a huge chunk of the city itself was also pruned and fell into this trash dimension. As for who the real Time Keeper is, 75% I feel it's going to be yet another Loki Variant and the other 25% is leaning on Kang making his debut. I still think we are going to find out the TVA itself is a new creation and has not actually existed since the start of time.
Addon : Watching the midseason trailer again, the place is totally a trash dimension. I didn't catch it before but one of the shots is a boat appearing out of thin air and dropping onto the ground, but if you look closely it does the "pruning effect" but in reverse.
When they "pruned" Mobius and later Loki and I was like,
Seriously, the minute I actually saw the Time Keepers and not just the creepy silhouette in the beginning, I was like "This is the worst CGI they ever did. What the hell." and then they just sat there and didn't react during the entire fight, not even fear or worry or anger, and I was like "Something does not feel right about this, this is just sloppy."
Then the head came off and I was like, "Oh you sons of bitches, you got me."
The post-credits scene though? Talk about nuts. When they showed that sort of post apocalyptic New York in the trailers, I thought it was another timeline, but now I think what the TVA does is actually sends Variants to what amounts to a dimensional trash bin. The reason the buildings and stuff in the trailer are so broken up and lopsided is because if they also get "pruned" from the time charges it throws them in there too. The good news, this mean Mobius is alive too!
Now for next week, I have a feeling Loki will have to save Mobius from other Lokis that hate him for being part of the TVA, lead by the "President Loki" which is basically a Loki that won the Battle of New York and was pruned for it. It's likely due to the massive change Loki winning would do to New York itself, meant a huge chunk of the city itself was also pruned and fell into this trash dimension. As for who the real Time Keeper is, 75% I feel it's going to be yet another Loki Variant and the other 25% is leaning on Kang making his debut. I still think we are going to find out the TVA itself is a new creation and has not actually existed since the start of time.
Addon : Watching the midseason trailer again, the place is totally a trash dimension. I didn't catch it before but one of the shots is a boat appearing out of thin air and dropping onto the ground, but if you look closely it does the "pruning effect" but in reverse.
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This is what actually bothers me. Like, why would Loki, once he gains the power of the TVA, continue to form a timeline where he dies? That is the only question that makes me unsure on whether it's Loki or not. You would think Loki would craft a timeline where he always wins.
My brain twister of a theory is that the Loki that ends up being the head of the TVA is going to be the Loki we follow in the show, but from the future, creating a sort of paradox loop. He has to keep the sacred timeline going because only through that can he create the point where he gets captured by the TVA, which puts events into motion that lead to him ultimately overthrowing himself and restarting the loop.
Even that has a lot of holes though, like why would Loki let himself be sub planted, even by another Loki? Wouldn't that mean he would have to die and know when he does? So yes, not perfect.
Either way, I imagine if it does end up being another Loki we are going to hear that "glorious purpose" line again.
Loki has telekinetic powers. We saw him pull something off of a shelf to him a couple of episodes ago, and in Thor: Dark World he trashed his cell with his mind as well. Lifting a building is bigger than he's shown - and I wouldn't be surprised if the writers have forgotten he can do it sometimes - but it's not a new trick.
So I don't think being female is what triggered Sylvie's nexus event. Loki is gender fluid and a shapeshifter, the timeline doesn't care what gender they are.
Sylvie was playing save Asgard. And she was concerned for the wellbeing of the man in the TVA. She was turning into a good person, that is what made her a deviant.
Sylvie was playing save Asgard. And she was concerned for the wellbeing of the man in the TVA. She was turning into a good person, that is what made her a deviant.
This. And I think it was Dark World, they confirmed Frigga taught Loki magic, but they never got into the specifics. So I guess Loki has Plot Magic; similar to Plot Armor, but flashier!
Tiw(also Tiu/Tyr) was the god who sacrificed his hand/arm to Fenrir to allow Fenrir to be leashed, and Fenrir is one of Loki's children.
I haven't seen the series of course, so I don't know if any of that is relevant.
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I know he has "telekinetic" powers (more likely a form of magic just without the effects), just never to the scale of lifting an entire building back up to it's foundation.
If he can pick up a building with his mind / magic, then there is nothing stopping him from just flinging heroes all over the place like a rag doll, yet he gets his ass beat by a trucker in a department store in the episode before that one. It just felt a little much for his character.
Why can't it be both? One thing of note is that, on Sylvie's paperwork during the flashback, she ISN'T listed as genderfluid like Loki was, but instead female. Also, while Loki revealed his own bisexuality and hinted to Sylvie being the same, she never actually confirmed she felt that way. It might not just be that she seems to be good, but because she in the end became a completely different person down to even her personal and social preferences.
Loki has the least consistent power level in the MCU, ranging from being a threat to the Avengers to being shown up by random mooks when it's convenient to the plot; the first episode even called it out when Mobius described him as existing to push other people to reach their potential. I don't think there's a lot of value to be had in trying to pin down any of his abilities or what they can/can't accomplish.
That said, I don't think "his life is in danger so he pushes past his previous limits" or "starting to care about someone else makes him stronger" are terrible reaches as far as explanations for suddenly seeming stronger go.
There is never any spotlight cast on Loki's ability to stop the building from collapsing on top of them (no one says "how did you do that?" or has a look of pure puzzlement on their face when it happens). Narratively this just means that his power to do so should be considered perfectly normal for him. Even Loki didn't question it when it happened, so the theory that he gained an extra boost from being in danger or protecting someone he cares about is likely to be debunked or completely glossed over.
Well, i know one of them was black, but that's not a problem for Loki (oh, and he's also a crocodile, missed that one in the viewing), so as far as we know maybe only Loki's get transported there instead of being deleted. And maybe that's because no Loki would ever give his subordinates a weapon capable of killing him.
I mean their official origin story is that they started after all the timelines went to war with each other and destroyed everything.
So it's more like they existed since the end of time.
And he wasn’t even in episode 3.