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Iaculus
Well, I doubt they want to make it public. Not like cyber-warfare is exactly considered a noble profession.
Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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China probably doesn't have the huge infrastructure set up online like we do in the US, thus making it inefficient to use cyber warfare on them. Even if that wasn't the case, considering we have military bases across the globe, it would be quite hard to prove anything was done by an American and not a local (unless we were dumb enough to set up shop in the US anyway.)
To be fair, this whole thing is basically business as usual. "Oh noes! The Chinese are starting to become like us! Let's stir up anti-Asian sentiment again and put a stop to that!" and such. It was basically the same thing with the Russians in the Cold War.
GasBandit
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You guys were looking for me to dispute that the hudson chick was wrong? She was wrong. Obviously private medical bankruptcies are not going to happen as much (if at all) under socialized medicine. The issue is that socialized medicine will bankrupt our government. Oh, and cause quality of care to spin down the drain. I'd never heard of this chick until the story about Franken tearing into her.
The baucus bill's plan calls for the plundering of social security.
Hey, look at this - Senate Democrats want to address the nation's rising debt ... whether the White House (or congress) likes it or not.
The governor of the Bank of England wants to break-up the banks in order to prevent them from becoming "too big to fail."
In a few weeks, Obama is expected to sign the UN Climate Change Treaty ... which Lord Monckton says would eviscerates US sovereignty.
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has decided that all non-union government workers will be forced to take nearly five working weeks of unpaid leave next year to save the city money.
Car dealers are saying that the cash for clunkers program has made it hard to find cheap, used vehicles.
The United Nations says that counterterrorism measures "risk unduly penalizing transgender persons." Are you freakin' kidding me?
Barack Obama, our CEO-in-chief has decided that companies which received the most bailout money will be forced to cut executive pay by 90%.
Yes, Mr. President: A Free Market Can Fix Health Care.
Despite all our sound and fury, we've known for years socialized medicine was inevitable because the American people have cared more about security and comfort than liberty and responsibility for years. And the "public option" is the trojan horse that is finally going to get single payer inside the gates.
House Democrats are looking at re-branding the government health insurance option as Medicare. Because, you know, Medicare is just such a shining example of a well-run government organization that hasn't cost more several times over than it was supposed to when it was passed.
Harry Reid is upset because efforts to pass his "doc fix" failed .. and it is all the fault of those Republicans! I guess I missed an election where Semocrats lost their supermajority.
Seven months after passing the economic stimulus bill - that was supposed to create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years - 49 out of 50 states have actually lost jobs. The only one, incidentally, that didn't lose jobs was North Dakota.
Well this is interesting ... Politico says that Matt Drudge is responsible for the decline of the dollar. Man, politicians would KILL for that kind of influence.
You mean to tell me that the government bailout program is going to end up costing the taxpayers more than its initial $700 billion? Gee, color me surprised.
The third-ranking Republican in the Senate says the Obama administration is launching a Richard Nixon-like political strategy of making an "enemies list" of people who disagree with the president.
God help our men and women in uniform ... the White House says that it is exploring a "larger role" for John Kerry in Afghanistan.
The baucus bill's plan calls for the plundering of social security.
Hey, look at this - Senate Democrats want to address the nation's rising debt ... whether the White House (or congress) likes it or not.
The governor of the Bank of England wants to break-up the banks in order to prevent them from becoming "too big to fail."
In a few weeks, Obama is expected to sign the UN Climate Change Treaty ... which Lord Monckton says would eviscerates US sovereignty.
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has decided that all non-union government workers will be forced to take nearly five working weeks of unpaid leave next year to save the city money.
Car dealers are saying that the cash for clunkers program has made it hard to find cheap, used vehicles.
The United Nations says that counterterrorism measures "risk unduly penalizing transgender persons." Are you freakin' kidding me?
Barack Obama, our CEO-in-chief has decided that companies which received the most bailout money will be forced to cut executive pay by 90%.
Yes, Mr. President: A Free Market Can Fix Health Care.
Despite all our sound and fury, we've known for years socialized medicine was inevitable because the American people have cared more about security and comfort than liberty and responsibility for years. And the "public option" is the trojan horse that is finally going to get single payer inside the gates.
House Democrats are looking at re-branding the government health insurance option as Medicare. Because, you know, Medicare is just such a shining example of a well-run government organization that hasn't cost more several times over than it was supposed to when it was passed.
Harry Reid is upset because efforts to pass his "doc fix" failed .. and it is all the fault of those Republicans! I guess I missed an election where Semocrats lost their supermajority.
Seven months after passing the economic stimulus bill - that was supposed to create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years - 49 out of 50 states have actually lost jobs. The only one, incidentally, that didn't lose jobs was North Dakota.
Well this is interesting ... Politico says that Matt Drudge is responsible for the decline of the dollar. Man, politicians would KILL for that kind of influence.
You mean to tell me that the government bailout program is going to end up costing the taxpayers more than its initial $700 billion? Gee, color me surprised.
The third-ranking Republican in the Senate says the Obama administration is launching a Richard Nixon-like political strategy of making an "enemies list" of people who disagree with the president.
God help our men and women in uniform ... the White House says that it is exploring a "larger role" for John Kerry in Afghanistan.
Yeah, the way that Obama has town hall meetings where he has them weed out all the "undesirables" and only allow them to use pre approved questions that don't in any way contradict his authority....
Oh, wait, that was the last president.
GasBandit
Staff member
That was this one even more. WAY more. Obama has perfected the art of the planted question, except that he keeps getting caught at it.
That was this one even more. WAY more. Obama has perfected the art of the planted question, except that he keeps getting caught at it.[/QUOTE]
Good christ, this is why I had you on ignore. Sometimes I wonder what it is like living in GasBandit world.
Finally, some good news!
Well, Trojan's are the most trusted brand in America.Finally, some good news!
Then there's this: Pat Buchanan says comparing Obama to Nixon 'idiotic'.
Geez. First Stossel and now Buchanan. What's happening to me today?
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Retired Army general: Cheney an 'incompetent war fighter'.
Also a coward who refused his country's call when it came for him as a youth.
I assume he will be given a red headband and a large machine gun then air dropped into the mountains?
I assume he will be given a red headband and a large machine gun then air dropped into the mountains?[/QUOTE]
I put in "John Kerry Rambo" into Google Image Search and that was the first to pop up. I figured it was close enough 
I'm liking Congressman Grayson more and more. Here he schools a fellow committee member on bills of attainder.
(for those with short memories, he's the "Die Quickly" Congressman from a few weeks before that got the Republican knickers in a twist.)
(for those with short memories, he's the "Die Quickly" Congressman from a few weeks before that got the Republican knickers in a twist.)
GasBandit
Staff member
That was this one even more. WAY more. Obama has perfected the art of the planted question, except that he keeps getting caught at it.[/quote]
Good christ, this is why I had you on ignore. Sometimes I wonder what it is like living in GasBandit world.[/QUOTE]
I know you can't handle the truth, but your willful failure to remember the repeated instances of planted questions and astroturfed supporters is truly astounding. Every single week for months there was yet another story about yet another softball question at townhalls and press conferences from people with ties to his campaign/administration. I don't know if you're just pretending not to remember or your feeble, cartmanesque mind is just rewriting history to keep your worldview intact.
That was this one even more. WAY more. Obama has perfected the art of the planted question, except that he keeps getting caught at it.[/quote]
Good christ, this is why I had you on ignore. Sometimes I wonder what it is like living in GasBandit world.[/quote]
I know you can't handle the truth, but your willful failure to remember the repeated instances of planted questions and astroturfed supporters is truly astounding. Every single week for months there was yet another story about yet another softball question at townhalls and press conferences from people with ties to his campaign/administration. I don't know if you're just pretending not to remember or your feeble, cartmanesque mind is just rewriting history to keep your worldview intact.[/quote]
You keep rolling with that. I won't jump in front of ya. He didn't dictate the question in "repeated" and left it up to the person asking the question (even though he knew it was going to be on Iraq and invited the person specifically because he knew he had a question on Iraq), "planted questions" has no proof of being planted question, and "astroturfed supporters" didn't show me anything (which is probably why it's called "Hot Air").
Wow, I wasted 10 minutes on Gas links that didn't even prove what he was supposedly trying to posit. What a surprise.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/12/video-astroturfing-at-obamas-nh-town-hall/
GasBandit
Staff member
Wow, you are self-deluded. Just put me back on ignore and go on your merry way if you're going to look at an orange and insist it's green.
FTAs:
Repeated:
Planted. And it was Iran, not Iraq. But I guess you can't spend a whole lot of time reading things too close that make you hide under the bed.
"Planted" - The little girl called upon was the daughter of an Obamabot (mom sitting right next to her in the picture in the article)... from Mom's facebook -
But yeah, that must just be a coincidence, and we would be way off base assuming there was collusion going on there.
(I also love that Mom is a "fan" of Caroline Kennedy. Rofl-copter.)
Astroturfed supporters - easy enough... he BUSSED IN HIS OWN SUPPORTERS to pad the audience. What else is there to say?
Wow, you are self-deluded. Just put me back on ignore and go on your merry way if you're going to look at an orange and insist it's green.
FTAs:
Repeated:
Planted. And it was Iran, not Iraq. But I guess you can't spend a whole lot of time reading things too close that make you hide under the bed.
"Planted" - The little girl called upon was the daughter of an Obamabot (mom sitting right next to her in the picture in the article)... from Mom's facebook -
But yeah, that must just be a coincidence, and we would be way off base assuming there was collusion going on there.
(I also love that Mom is a "fan" of Caroline Kennedy. Rofl-copter.)
Astroturfed supporters - easy enough... he BUSSED IN HIS OWN SUPPORTERS to pad the audience. What else is there to say?[/quote]
Done and done. I was hoping you had something substantial, but of course it is the same old tin-hat crap I hated about Daily Kos, only with a crazy Libertarian slant.
I can't believe you don't have anything new after all this time.
"Obamabot". Egads. You truly are a sad little man.
GasBandit
Staff member
Victory is mine, you wimp.
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Iaculus
Aww, come on, stay and play a little longer.
I'll be your friend...[/QUOTE]
How I immediately read this.
Aww, come on, stay and play a little longer.
I'll be your friend...[/quote]
How I immediately read this.[/QUOTE]
I'm still trying to figure out what he won. For a guy who espouses opposition is essential to the process, it sure sounds like he lost to me.
GasBandit
Staff member
You took your ball and went home. Rhetorical forfeit.
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Armadillo
Dude, you're always going to have lone nutbars who go psycho and do stupid/dangerous shit. 99.9999999999999% of the people who listen to Glenn Beck aren't going to do either of the things you mentioned above, yet you continue to take those isolated incidents and treat them as though they're happening every hour on the hour.[/QUOTE]
So, it's ok for Beck to make things up since there are crazies who do stupid shit anyways. Am I reading that right?
My counter to that would be abortion doctors don't have some of the most dangerous jobs in the country because the job itself is dangerous. It's because of hate speech.[/QUOTE]
No, no...Anita Dunn actually said she admired Mao's philosophical teachings. Mark Lloyd actually said he'd like to see private radio companies taxed at a high rate in order to subsidize public radio. Cass Sunstein actually said "in light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals.” Just because you disagree with the man politically doesn't mean he's "making things up."
And no matter what, free speech is protected, ESPECIALLY unpopular speech and thoughts. It HAS to be, since it's not terribly necessary to protect popular opinions. Until it can be shown that someone willingly incited harm onto another person with their speech, it is protected under the First Amendment. Period. Saying you think abortion is appalling or evil or whatever =/= causing the death of an abortion doctor.
You were arguing that Obama doesn't pad the town-halls with supporters. Gasbandit offered proof that he does. You quit.
Shouldn't take long for you to figure out.
Some good one's from Glenn Greenwald's blog:
DNC tactics of depicting opponents as helping terrorists no less shameful than when the GOP did it.
The media are complaining about the Obama administrations critique of Fox, but are completely ignoring how they shamefully allowed the Bush administration to completely walk all over them.
I've always liked Greenwald. I don't always agree with him, but he backs up everything he says with sources, and he's a huge critic of executive authority (he's a constitutional lawyer).
DNC tactics of depicting opponents as helping terrorists no less shameful than when the GOP did it.
The media are complaining about the Obama administrations critique of Fox, but are completely ignoring how they shamefully allowed the Bush administration to completely walk all over them.
I've always liked Greenwald. I don't always agree with him, but he backs up everything he says with sources, and he's a huge critic of executive authority (he's a constitutional lawyer).
You were arguing that Obama doesn't pad the town-halls with supporters. Gasbandit offered proof that he does. You quit.
Shouldn't take long for you to figure out.[/QUOTE]
He was arguing ad infinitim with the same stuff I already showed was meaningless.
I figured it wouldn't take you long to figure that out. I was wrong.
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Yes and yes.
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Armadillo
Yes and yes.[/QUOTE]
I'll say yes and kind of. "Kind of" because while he's right that Bush's people were wrong to go after NBC, and they're hypocrites, he pretty much flat out excuses Obama's crew going after Fox. I would argue that they're both wrong.
Yes and yes.[/quote]
I'll say yes and kind of. "Kind of" because while he's right that Bush's people were wrong to go after NBC, and they're hypocrites, he pretty much flat out excuses Obama's crew going after Fox. I would argue that they're both wrong.[/QUOTE]
I can understand that. That's part of our opinions on the media being different, though. This is a happy 'agree to disagree' moment for us, I think.
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Armadillo
Yes and yes.[/quote]
I'll say yes and kind of. "Kind of" because while he's right that Bush's people were wrong to go after NBC, and they're hypocrites, he pretty much flat out excuses Obama's crew going after Fox. I would argue that they're both wrong.[/QUOTE]
I can understand that. That's part of our opinions on the media being different, though. This is a happy 'agree to disagree' moment for us, I think.[/QUOTE]
Oh, bite me.
I mean...
Oh, bite me.
Not exactly. Re: NBC, all he points out that is that the same folks de-crying the administration's critique of Fox turned a blind eye, or outright supported, the Bush administration's critique of NBC. It's a condemnation of the hypocrisy of the commentariat.
He then points out the extent of that hypocrisy by pointing out the depths to which the Bush administration sank to manipulate the media (as yet unequaled by the Obama administration), in many cases openly admitted by the administration, while the media establishment sat around twiddling their thumbs.
Greenwald pretty much talks about two topics: (1) the danger of the abuse of (executive and financial) power and the necessary legal steps that must be in place to prevent it, and (2) how much the mainstream media are a bunch of demonstrably dishonest, self-interested shills who pretend to be real journalists.
He's especially fond of (2).
And then he backs it all up with links.
Why do I dismiss anything Beck says as a steaming pile of dog mess? It's because of stuff like this: he's claiming Obama wants to spy on Americans via OnStar.
Glenn Beck is fucking moron. A vile, despicable, worthless piece of animal shit. A party-line-parroting hate-spewing chunk of stale vomit.
This is the guy who asked an incoming Congressman "prove to me you're not in league with our enemies" because he happened to be a Muslim. The guy who claimed the reverse of the Mercury Dime, a coin out of circulation since 1945 was proof enough to him that this is a fascist country. OTOH, the "communist" and "socialist" "symbolism" he claims that is all over Rockefeller Center is proof we're a socialist country (dude spent the better parts of at least two shows on this one, boys and girls). The guy who called Obama racist, and that he hated "white culture".
This is just him, not what some nutjob did as suggested by Beck. There's plenty of that out there.
Oh, you didn't notice that Anita Dunn was the one who first called out Fox News a week or two ago. Only then did the dogs come out. Same thing happened to the guy leading the advertiser boycott against Beck's show. Nothing said about either of them until they crossed Fox Noise.
Glenn Beck is uncouth, unethical, and un-American. Fuck Glenn Beck.
(cue the Beck-fellating posts in 3... 2... 1...)
Glenn Beck is fucking moron. A vile, despicable, worthless piece of animal shit. A party-line-parroting hate-spewing chunk of stale vomit.
This is the guy who asked an incoming Congressman "prove to me you're not in league with our enemies" because he happened to be a Muslim. The guy who claimed the reverse of the Mercury Dime, a coin out of circulation since 1945 was proof enough to him that this is a fascist country. OTOH, the "communist" and "socialist" "symbolism" he claims that is all over Rockefeller Center is proof we're a socialist country (dude spent the better parts of at least two shows on this one, boys and girls). The guy who called Obama racist, and that he hated "white culture".
This is just him, not what some nutjob did as suggested by Beck. There's plenty of that out there.
Oh, you didn't notice that Anita Dunn was the one who first called out Fox News a week or two ago. Only then did the dogs come out. Same thing happened to the guy leading the advertiser boycott against Beck's show. Nothing said about either of them until they crossed Fox Noise.
Glenn Beck is uncouth, unethical, and un-American. Fuck Glenn Beck.
(cue the Beck-fellating posts in 3... 2... 1...)
