Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats
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JONJONAUG
One guy who's every post on the last three pages of his blog indicates a strong anti-Democrat bias does not make everyone.
I can't speak for everyone, but for me I don't think it's a big deal. I'd find the same criticism of Bush a little silly if it had been him.
Is that a better way to put it?
GasBandit
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One guy who's every post on the last three pages of his blog indicates a strong anti-Democrat bias does not make everyone.[/QUOTE]
That's why, in his post, he linked to several european news sources. And I never said "everyone."
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Armadillo
I really can't imagine anyone save the extreme nitpickers nailing Obama if he had gone to Berlin. Given the history between (West) Berlin and the United States ("Ich bin ein Berliner," "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall"), it would've made complete sense for him to be there.
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JONJONAUG
One guy who's every post on the last three pages of his blog indicates a strong anti-Democrat bias does not make everyone.[/QUOTE]
That's why, in his post, he linked to several european news sources. And I never said "everyone."[/QUOTE]
He links to one legimitate news source and a few blogs and opinion pieces, only a couple of which are European.
And actually looking at the news source reveals that the reason Obama isn't going is because he's going on a trip to Asia two days afterward. If I were the President, I'd make sure I have a day or two left open before any planned intercontinental trips in case anything comes up.
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rabbitgod
He was at the Ft. Hood memorial thingy today so maybe that was too much traveling.
I still think he should have gone to Germany, I'm just sayin'.
I still think he should have gone to Germany, I'm just sayin'.
Billo the Clown's preferred solution to preventing another Ft. Hood? Kill all the Muslims. But since that's admittedly not practical, work on the hearts and minds. but only because we can't kill them all instead. There are a few in the media and in public office who don't seem adverse to the original idea, though.
Sure he didn't go, but at least we'll have the 2016 Olympics in Chicago...[/QUOTE]
I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't" on this one.
He goes to Germany, Republicans here say "He cares more about other countries than America". He stays and it's "He doesn't properly honor historical events."[/QUOTE]
If your going to get criticized anyway, do the right thing. Go honor a Historical event that marked the Triumph of Democracy and symbolized the end of a 44 year old international political landscape.
Fox Noise caught falsifying their coverage of the Bachmann rally. I don't care if it is during the "Opiniontainment" hours, this is straight out of the Ministry of Truth playbook.
hah, I saw that on the Daily Show DA.
Maybe the news shows should be clearly marked as news shows and the "infotainment" should be clearly labeled as such. That might help Fox's credibility problem as of late. They should also be careful not to let the "infotainment" intrude on the news times.
Maybe the news shows should be clearly marked as news shows and the "infotainment" should be clearly labeled as such. That might help Fox's credibility problem as of late. They should also be careful not to let the "infotainment" intrude on the news times.
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Armadillo
The Ministry of Truth had the power of the state behind them, though. It's fair to say that FOX doesn't enjoy that status.
The Ministry of Truth had the power of the state behind them, though. It's fair to say that FOX doesn't enjoy that status.[/QUOTE]
Elections helped with that.
GasBandit
Staff member
From The Wall Street Journal: America Leaves Itself Behind.
You'll love this one from Stossel. "The U.S. House of Presumptuous Meddlers"
EPA lawyers step forward to explain why this cap-and-trade bill is "fatally flawed." Needless to say, there are a lot of people in Washington who aren't too happy about this.
Yesterday I told you about Rep. Costa of California who scored a $500 million medical center in his district as leverage for his vote on Pelosicare. Here are some more examples of the backroom deals that took place to get this thing passed.
There are two different bills floating around in Washington right now that want to rein in financial institutions. Here are the differences ...
The city of Las Vegas got a $64.3 million grant to buy houses for low-income families. Eight months later, not a single person is in a house.
Even a liberal admits that with healthcare reform, Democrats are creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind.
Could we be gearing up for Townhall Part II over healthcare reform as Congress returns home for the Veterans Day recess?
Of the 200 amendments the Democrats in the House rejected before passing Pelosicare, 11 would have required for Congress to enroll in the government option.
The latest victim of the global warming movement: golf balls.
The EPA is now accepting grant applications for projects aimed at addressing environmental and public health issues in "communities with environmental justice concerns."
Code Pink .. full of class .. apparently targeted children of military families on Halloween.
Iran's Ahmadinejad says that he is still awaiting "real change" from Barack Obama. Get in line, buddy.
You'll love this one from Stossel. "The U.S. House of Presumptuous Meddlers"
EPA lawyers step forward to explain why this cap-and-trade bill is "fatally flawed." Needless to say, there are a lot of people in Washington who aren't too happy about this.
Yesterday I told you about Rep. Costa of California who scored a $500 million medical center in his district as leverage for his vote on Pelosicare. Here are some more examples of the backroom deals that took place to get this thing passed.
There are two different bills floating around in Washington right now that want to rein in financial institutions. Here are the differences ...
The city of Las Vegas got a $64.3 million grant to buy houses for low-income families. Eight months later, not a single person is in a house.
Even a liberal admits that with healthcare reform, Democrats are creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind.
Could we be gearing up for Townhall Part II over healthcare reform as Congress returns home for the Veterans Day recess?
Of the 200 amendments the Democrats in the House rejected before passing Pelosicare, 11 would have required for Congress to enroll in the government option.
The latest victim of the global warming movement: golf balls.
The EPA is now accepting grant applications for projects aimed at addressing environmental and public health issues in "communities with environmental justice concerns."
Code Pink .. full of class .. apparently targeted children of military families on Halloween.
Iran's Ahmadinejad says that he is still awaiting "real change" from Barack Obama. Get in line, buddy.
That is absolutely disgusting.
That is absolutely disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. These women are off their rockers.
GasBandit
Staff member
Nice idea. Not a chance in hell of passing, but nice idea.
Pelosi: "It's very fair" to jail people for not buying health insurance.
Republicans in South Carolina are censuring their own Lindsey Graham for being a RINO.
The latest Gallup polls show that Republicans have now surpassed Democrats as the public's choice in the 2010 congressional elections.
AIG's CEO is frustrated by Obama's pay limits. Something tells me he isn't going to get a lot of sympathy from the wealth envy crowd.
Liberals can't compete on the radio and now they are slipping when it comes to book sales. Who knows .. maybe we will soon have segregated New York Times best-seller lists! Or a Fairness Doctrine for books!
Apparently moonbat Alan Grayson's challenger down there in Central Florida is quite a character himself.
Well this column really puts it out there ... Barack Obama despises America.
Joe Lieberman says he has "no other choice" but to filibuster a health care bill that contains a government-run health insurance option.
Forget about peak oil, here comes peak gold.
Lou Dobbs has quit CNN.
More dissent from the purported "consensus" about CO2 and climate change.
Pelosi: "It's very fair" to jail people for not buying health insurance.
Republicans in South Carolina are censuring their own Lindsey Graham for being a RINO.
The latest Gallup polls show that Republicans have now surpassed Democrats as the public's choice in the 2010 congressional elections.
AIG's CEO is frustrated by Obama's pay limits. Something tells me he isn't going to get a lot of sympathy from the wealth envy crowd.
Liberals can't compete on the radio and now they are slipping when it comes to book sales. Who knows .. maybe we will soon have segregated New York Times best-seller lists! Or a Fairness Doctrine for books!
Apparently moonbat Alan Grayson's challenger down there in Central Florida is quite a character himself.
Well this column really puts it out there ... Barack Obama despises America.
Joe Lieberman says he has "no other choice" but to filibuster a health care bill that contains a government-run health insurance option.
Forget about peak oil, here comes peak gold.
Lou Dobbs has quit CNN.
More dissent from the purported "consensus" about CO2 and climate change.
wow, 18 million Americans in jail. that's fair I guess.
wow, 18 million Americans in jail. that's fair I guess.[/quote]
The entire quote is...
I should add the question is very disingenuous in these ways-
1. Penalty for failure to purchase insurance is a tax, not jail time.
2. Bill does not impose tax on those below the threshold for filing a federal income tax return.
3. "Hardship cases" are exempted from the tax
4. Willful failure to pay income taxes can result in civil or criminal penalties
5. Fewer than 100 people convicted for "willful failure to file or pay taxes" in fiscal year 2008.
6. Most delinquent taxes and penalties "collected through the civil process."
So no, it won't lead to jail time for 18 million Americans.
I think it's going to have more to do with the fact he's the CEO for AIG than anything about wealth envy. It sort of like being the president of NAMBLA: There really isn't anything he can say that WON'T make people angry at this point.
This article turned into a joke the moment he criticized Obama for apologizing for Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings. Yes, it probably saved countless lives... there is no argument there. That doesn't change the fact that it wiped two cities off the face of the map (until they rebuilt them), caused severe health problems to people miles outside of the blast zone, and is still the only recorded use of nuclear weapons on an enemy nation. Saying he felt bad for the damage it caused isn't the same as saying it didn't need to be done. The author needs to learn what compassion is before he can criticize it in others.
GasBandit
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The penalty is a "tax." And if you refuse to pay that tax, what happens?
The penalty is a "tax." And if you refuse to pay that tax, what happens?[/QUOTE]
Oh no... he's going to go into a "Taxes are not lawful" rant...
GasBandit
Staff member
The penalty is a "tax." And if you refuse to pay that tax, what happens?[/quote]
Oh no... he's going to go into a "Taxes are not lawful" rant...[/QUOTE]
A punitive tax that it a penalty for not obeying an unconstitutional law...?
The penalty is a "tax." And if you refuse to pay that tax, what happens?[/quote]
Oh no... he's going to go into a "Taxes are not lawful" rant...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there's no arguing with a belief. There really are no winners in that argument.
Republican Senators voting pro-slavery in 3... 2... 1... Ok, maybe not that extreme (I hope), but there's already mutterings from pro-business lobbyists against legislation that would ban the importation of goods made with child, slave, or convict labor.
Wanna spell it out for me? I saw him nitpick one thing that somehow made the whole criticism invalid.
GasBandit
Staff member
Items 2 and beyond were completely irrelevant. "We're going to use the threat of fines, which we'll call taxes, backed up by the threat of government monopolized legal use of force, to require people to buy health insurance. Except we're only going to penalize some people and not others, along economic lines. Because that makes everything ok. And we'll call it being collected through a civil process, even though if you steadfastly refuse to pay the penalty for disobeying an unjust and unconstitutional law, you'll still end up in jail."
Item 1 on your list was the only thing that needed to be addressed to make the others collapse like a house of cards.
Items 2 and beyond were completely irrelevant. "We're going to use the threat of fines, which we'll call taxes, backed up by the threat of government monopolized legal use of force, to require people to buy health insurance. Except we're only going to penalize some people and not others, along economic lines. Because that makes everything ok. And we'll call it being collected through a civil process, even though if you steadfastly refuse to pay the penalty for disobeying an unjust and unconstitutional law, you'll still end up in jail."
Item 1 on your list was the only thing that needed to be addressed to make the others collapse like a house of cards.[/QUOTE]
What, an absurd assumption that people can't be taxed? That is your ace in the hole?
I give you credit, when you are holding a water pistol, you aren't afraid to pretend it's a gun.
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Armadillo
Items 2 and beyond were completely irrelevant. "We're going to use the threat of fines, which we'll call taxes, backed up by the threat of government monopolized legal use of force, to require people to buy health insurance. Except we're only going to penalize some people and not others, along economic lines. Because that makes everything ok. And we'll call it being collected through a civil process, even though if you steadfastly refuse to pay the penalty for disobeying an unjust and unconstitutional law, you'll still end up in jail."
Item 1 on your list was the only thing that needed to be addressed to make the others collapse like a house of cards.[/QUOTE]
What, an absurd assumption that people can't be taxed? That is your ace in the hole?
I give you credit, when you are holding a water pistol, you aren't afraid to pretend it's a gun.[/QUOTE]
Krisken, it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL to require everybody to buy health insurance under penalty of fines and incarceration. I know you libs have wanted public insurance for a long, long time, but you have to actually follow the supreme law of the land, inconvenient as that may be.
Items 2 and beyond were completely irrelevant. "We're going to use the threat of fines, which we'll call taxes, backed up by the threat of government monopolized legal use of force, to require people to buy health insurance. Except we're only going to penalize some people and not others, along economic lines. Because that makes everything ok. And we'll call it being collected through a civil process, even though if you steadfastly refuse to pay the penalty for disobeying an unjust and unconstitutional law, you'll still end up in jail."
Item 1 on your list was the only thing that needed to be addressed to make the others collapse like a house of cards.[/quote]
What, an absurd assumption that people can't be taxed? That is your ace in the hole?
I give you credit, when you are holding a water pistol, you aren't afraid to pretend it's a gun.[/quote]
Krisken, it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL to require everybody to buy health insurance under penalty of fines and incarceration. I know you libs have wanted public insurance for a long, long time, but you have to actually follow the supreme law of the land, inconvenient as that may be.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, you lost me at "You Libs". I instantly stopped reading.
Items 2 and beyond were completely irrelevant. "We're going to use the threat of fines, which we'll call taxes, backed up by the threat of government monopolized legal use of force, to require people to buy health insurance. Except we're only going to penalize some people and not others, along economic lines. Because that makes everything ok. And we'll call it being collected through a civil process, even though if you steadfastly refuse to pay the penalty for disobeying an unjust and unconstitutional law, you'll still end up in jail."
Item 1 on your list was the only thing that needed to be addressed to make the others collapse like a house of cards.[/quote]
What, an absurd assumption that people can't be taxed? That is your ace in the hole?
I give you credit, when you are holding a water pistol, you aren't afraid to pretend it's a gun.[/quote]
Krisken, it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL to require everybody to buy health insurance under penalty of fines and incarceration. I know you libs have wanted public insurance for a long, long time, but you have to actually follow the supreme law of the land, inconvenient as that may be.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, you lost me at "You Libs". I instantly stopped reading.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention it's NOT unconstitutional at all. It's not even a situation envisioned by our founding fathers. It doesn't violate a current amendment ether.
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Armadillo
Could you please point to the part of the Constitution that allows Congress to mandate the purchase of a specific product under penalty of law? This is important, because if the Constitution doesn't specifically allow Congress to do something, they can't do it. That was the original intent of the document; to limit the reach and scope of government.
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FINE, strike that comment from the record. Care to reply?
Could you please point to the part of the Constitution that allows Congress to mandate the purchase of a specific product under penalty of law? This is important, because if the Constitution doesn't specifically allow Congress to do something, they can't do it. That was the original intent of the document; to limit the reach and scope of government.[/quote]
Actually, that is patently untrue. While it was designed to limit the reach and scope of government, it still had enough leeway to allow or forbid new, unthought of powers at future dates. This is why we have the amendment process.
Regardless of that, it's already been established that States can revoke or simply not issues licenses to people who don't have auto insurance. This is similar in vein to those laws, but simply on a national level. If you want to argue anything, you could argue that such a health care program should be run by individual states and not on a national level, as it's a States Rights issue.