Which is why I consider myself agnostic. I don't fucking know, nor do I care.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not on your hemisphere...
Maybe not on your hemisphere...[/QUOTE]
Maybe not on your hemisphere...[/QUOTE]
God, I loved college. :toocool:
Which is why I consider myself agnostic. I don't fucking know, nor do I care.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]That is exactly my worry here. And I have a sneaking suspicion they won't be handing these out at Harvard, but probably schools targeted for not having the brightest student body.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not on your hemisphere...[/QUOTE]
I didn't have any specific ones in mind, crazy Finnish sauna man. I just have a feeling the schools they pick will be picked for a reason or reasons, whatever they may be.I don't know which academic organisations you are referring to, crazy monkey cat lady... but I asked a friend of mine in New York state to see if her university is visited by these people. And then kick him in the dangly bits.
Maybe not on your hemisphere...[/QUOTE]
I didn't have any specific ones in mind, crazy Finnish sauna man. I just have a feeling the schools they pick will be picked for a reason or reasons, whatever they may be.[/QUOTE]I don't know which academic organisations you are referring to, crazy monkey cat lady... but I asked a friend of mine in New York state to see if her university is visited by these people. And then kick him in the dangly bits.
Nope, I don't think so. My guess is they don't want to preach to the converted and that the institutions will be secular.
Nope, I don't think so. My guess is they don't want to preach to the converted and that the institutions will be secular.[/QUOTE]
By using Origin of Species as a Trojan horse. You don't do that with people who are already interested in Christ (in some way or another). If you watch his video (and I really don't blame you if you don't as I could hardly get through it), he talks about influencing future doctors et al, so I believe they are approaching rational thinkers with this Darwin ploy. He even talks about how their version is free unlike the campus bookstore.
By using Origin of Species as a Trojan horse. You don't do that with people who are already interested in Christ (in some way or another). If you watch his video (and I really don't blame you if you don't as I could hardly get through it), he talks about influencing future doctors et al, so I believe they are approaching rational thinkers with this Darwin ploy. He even talks about how their version is free unlike the campus bookstore.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, most likely this is true. It's just that the method is so underhanded, slimy, and utterly antithetical to critical thought. It's so fucktastically audacious. And just imagine the 30-ton brick they would shit if anyone did the same thing to the New Testament, slipping in evolution theory and handing it out at churches.
I don't necessarily find that sad. First of all, "science" is generally so incredibly specialized that most people practicing it can have faith without it affecting their work. For example, someone studying the mitochondria of cells could certainly believe that a higher power set off the Big Bang without her results being tainted by a religious bias. I remember reading an excellent article in Skeptic magazine where scientists who were religious explained similar positions about how their science and their faith coexisted.
Maybe not on your hemisphere...[/QUOTE]
But here's the thing, I don't think evangelical conversion of college students is really the primary goal with measures like this. This sort of thing is really more about getting public exposure to oft-repeated claims that evolution is just a theory, so why can't ID/creationism get equal time?
I can only hope that Kirk Cameron and one of those campus Scientology recruiters get into a knife fight. Which they both lose.[/QUOTE]
But here's the thing, I don't think evangelical conversion of college students is really the primary goal with measures like this. This sort of thing is really more about getting public exposure to oft-repeated claims that evolution is just a theory, so why can't ID/creationism get equal time?[/QUOTE]
No... what I mean is that Science is also full of people who proclaim "This is what Science says, so this is the ultimate truth!" without understanding that Science changes all the fucking time, with new theories replacing old and occasionally old theories being proven to be correct after all. They believe that Evolution as it's taught now is what it's always going to be, without entertaining the possibility that someday we might find something to totally turn it on it's head and as such become stuck in their ways. I'm not talking about people who actually work in Scientific fields and who are also theists, because that's perfectly acceptable.
But here's the thing, I don't think evangelical conversion of college students is really the primary goal with measures like this. This sort of thing is really more about getting public exposure to oft-repeated claims that evolution is just a theory, so why can't ID/creationism get equal time?[/QUOTE]
That was the most awesome example of spock speak that I have seen xD
No... what I mean is that Science is also full of people who proclaim "This is what Science says, so this is the ultimate truth!" without understanding that Science changes all the fucking time, with new theories replacing old and occasionally old theories being proven to be correct after all. They believe that Evolution as it's taught now is what it's always going to be, without entertaining the possibility that someday we might find something to totally turn it on it's head and as such become stuck in their ways. I'm not talking about people who actually work in Scientific fields and who are also theists, because that's perfectly acceptable.[/QUOTE]
When I say "Science", I'm not talking about JUST scientists. I'm also talking about people who simply "believe" in Science for their day to day needs. After all, when we say "Religion", we aren't just talking about people who work for a church, we're also talking about people who simply attend service or live their lives by the teachings of said religion.
Considering all the things that "Science" actually does for these people, I suppose if they don't want to understand what's behind all their gadgets, transportation, food and life saving medicine, believing in Science actually makes sense.
But here's the thing, I don't think evangelical conversion of college students is really the primary goal with measures like this. This sort of thing is really more about getting public exposure to oft-repeated claims that evolution is just a theory, so why can't ID/creationism get equal time?[/QUOTE]
But here's the thing, I don't think evangelical conversion of college students is really the primary goal with measures like this. This sort of thing is really more about getting public exposure to oft-repeated claims that evolution is just a theory, so why can't ID/creationism get equal time?[/QUOTE]
Let me put it this way: the way they see it, everyone who isn't in a relationship with Jesus is drowning (or living in a burning house, etc, pick your metaphor for slowly dying) and they have a way to save them (or show the to the one who will save them would be a better way to put it).
Let me put it this way: the way they see it, everyone who isn't in a relationship with Jesus is drowning (or living in a burning house, etc, pick your metaphor for slowly dying) and they have a way to save them (or show the to the one who will save them would be a better way to put it).
I can't wait to pull that one out!
Okay, if you know the guys personally, I can accept that.
