Care to elaborate? He's always been one of my favourite characters, comic and show.
[TV] The Walking Dead
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Although I got frustrated with how drawn-out most of this second season has been, I really liked the last episode of the half-season. I agree that keeping Shane alive has really made things interesting; particularly since he's the 'destroying discipline while attempting to enforce it' type of leader. I'm really looking forward to see the tension between Shane and Rick now that all this has come to a head, although
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I'm thinking that it'll still be Carl, rather than Dale, to shoot Shane; probably sometime in the next season when Shane attempts to wrest control of the group from Rick through violence
I actually thought it made perfect sense to take the guns. I don't think he was going to destroy them, just hide them in an attempt to prevent exactly what went down--Shane making a snap decision and burning the very fragile bridge that allowed them to stay at the farm. I thought it fit in pretty well with his personality, as you put it, of the wizened advisor.
Honestly I would have never seen the Sofia thing coming. Truth be told after the initial shock I kind of had to go back in my mind and see if it even made sense but I guess it kind of does. I mean, it was a day or two between her going missing and them meeting Hershal, right?
Anyway, I love how it played out. Everything about it was just great. Shane did, what I ultimately feel like, was the right thing. There were only so many ways that whole thing was going to play out and this was one of the better ones. Either they kept skirting the issue of what walkers really are and eventually get kicked out of the farm or have to take up arms against Hershal in order to stay.
He forced the issue, which I'm thinking will result in them staying and living even if just that much longer. The brilliant thing is though, that this resolved the other issue that had been plaguing this season. But even still that's not the best part. It's when no one can bring themselves to shoot her except for Rick.
The whole time leading up to that moment, I was thinking that this is illustrating that Rick isn't necessarily the best man for the job of leader, but simply the person who is there now. But then when Sofia comes out and everyone hesitates it also shows the struggles Hershal has been going through. I mean this whole time we've been thinking of him as just this weirdo who can't come to grips with the reality that these things are dangerous and aren't the people we remember them as, but then comes out Sofia and the group has to think about that themselves. Hershal's been going through that exact same thing but times 10.
But then Rick finally shoots her. When push comes to shove he's the one who will actually do what it takes to keep the group safe. The difference between him and Shane is though that he'll make every effort to keep his humanity in the process.
Good lord I loved this episode. I can't wait for the 2nd half to start up.
Anyway, I love how it played out. Everything about it was just great. Shane did, what I ultimately feel like, was the right thing. There were only so many ways that whole thing was going to play out and this was one of the better ones. Either they kept skirting the issue of what walkers really are and eventually get kicked out of the farm or have to take up arms against Hershal in order to stay.
He forced the issue, which I'm thinking will result in them staying and living even if just that much longer. The brilliant thing is though, that this resolved the other issue that had been plaguing this season. But even still that's not the best part. It's when no one can bring themselves to shoot her except for Rick.
The whole time leading up to that moment, I was thinking that this is illustrating that Rick isn't necessarily the best man for the job of leader, but simply the person who is there now. But then when Sofia comes out and everyone hesitates it also shows the struggles Hershal has been going through. I mean this whole time we've been thinking of him as just this weirdo who can't come to grips with the reality that these things are dangerous and aren't the people we remember them as, but then comes out Sofia and the group has to think about that themselves. Hershal's been going through that exact same thing but times 10.
But then Rick finally shoots her. When push comes to shove he's the one who will actually do what it takes to keep the group safe. The difference between him and Shane is though that he'll make every effort to keep his humanity in the process.
Good lord I loved this episode. I can't wait for the 2nd half to start up.
Yes, it DID resolve it: Herschel just saw Rick and his group murder all of his friends, neighbors, and his wife and child within 2 minutes. He's not going to see reason, he's going to kick them all of his farm and stew over this for awhile.
They didn't murder anyone. Herschel doesn't understand that they're dead and there's no cure.
Speaking of which, was that a bite mark on Sophia's neck (clue as to how she became a zombie), or just random blood. I'll have to see it again, but I wouldn't be surprised if she simply died of exposure in the woods and then reanimated. I'm not sure if the TV series is going to follow the premise of the comics where everyone that dies comes back as a zombie, but this would be a great linker to the group finding that out.
It was a wound of some sort. There was a strip of flesh hanging off just near her shoulder. Could be a bite mark, could be a wound from falling, but it was definitely a wound.
That's kind of my point. To him, there is no difference. So yes, they DID murder all those people in front of him.
Also, spoiler that comic bit. That detail could potentially spoil an event down the line and Dave's been pretty clear he wants us to keep that out of this thread.
You want us to just go ahead and spoil comic stuff? You sure you don't mean put 'em behind a spoiler tag thingy?
BananaHands
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Oh man, here come the people defending that lawn.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...ad-recap-bring-your-daughter-to-the-slaughter
I've enjoyed reading some of the snarky recaps/reviews more than watching the show. But I have to echo the sentiment of - yeah, the big shocking finale moment was something Rick did in the pilot. Fantastic. I might turn in for S2p2 to see if it moves on to anything better.
ALSO- did I miss anywhere that they confirmed at all what the doctor said to Rick in the Season 1 finale? They must have no clue how to resolve that if they've dragged it out this long.
I've enjoyed reading some of the snarky recaps/reviews more than watching the show. But I have to echo the sentiment of - yeah, the big shocking finale moment was something Rick did in the pilot. Fantastic. I might turn in for S2p2 to see if it moves on to anything better.
ALSO- did I miss anywhere that they confirmed at all what the doctor said to Rick in the Season 1 finale? They must have no clue how to resolve that if they've dragged it out this long.
If you think that Rick shooting some unnamed girl is the same as
Then you really should stop talking. Just stop. I'd pat you on the head and send you on your way, but you know, internet and all that.
Shooting the girl that he was supposed to take care of, failed to, then failed to find, which drew a guilt upon him that was weighing down his entire conscious then being the only one able to step up and show that he had what it took to remain the leader of the group by actively putting the nail in the coffin of a guilt that's going to nearly condem him as a person
Then you really should stop talking. Just stop. I'd pat you on the head and send you on your way, but you know, internet and all that.
BananaHands
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I'd hate to link a tumblr, but we really need to appreciate Dixon over here.
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We've already seen people in his care die/become zombies, etc etc. And we've already seen him kill a child zombie. That kid (I can't even think of her name) wasn't a character, she was a prop.
I would listen to what you have to say more if I thought you had the slightest fucking clue. Sadly, you keep proving that you do not.
This times 100. That final scene made the entire season for me. Deep down there was a part of me that was hoping she'd be found alive. Didn't see that coming. And I really like Shane. Hope the writers keep him around. He is a powder keg. Be interesting to see how he fits into the upcoming events.
I've thought about it some more and have calmed down from my initial fanboy OMG OMG OMG reaction that drove my first post.
I think Hershal is going to let them stay, or rather, not give a flying fuck anymore. I think one thing a lot of people, myself included until it dawned on me, are forgetting is that Hershal isn't dumb. He's a veterinarian and good enough to perform surgery on a human child to remove bullet fragments. He knows, deep down, that the walkers are dead. What he can't do is COPE with that fact. It's not that he really thinks that someone is going to just show up with a shot that'll make the walkers normal again, but he has to hope for it to the point of lunacy because otherwise his wife and half his family is dead and gone. Now that his barn full of walkers are dead he has no real ties to the old world left. This is going to force him to either face reality and start thinking about real survival in a world gone mad or he'll find some other outlet to bury himself in and ignore what's going on around him.
It's really the opposite of the doctor from the finale of season 1. The doc was too much of a realist and saw that there was absolute zero hope to be had and thus ended it all when he had nothing left to do. Hershal has too much hope to the point where he won't acknowledge reality.
Similarly Dale and Shane are repping for opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to keeping humanity Vs. doing what it takes to survive. It's up to Rick though to walk the line between these two sides and do what is ultimately best for the group.
The previews for the next episode have Hershal all pissed off and telling them to get off his land. I think you're right about everything else though, especially about Hershal's feelings of hope being dashed. I think everyone's sense of hope is gone, especially Rick's. This is the second time he's had a sliver of hope that there is goodthat is worth hanging onto in this world. Both times he's been slapped in the face with reality. What I do think that's significant is that Carl remembered the deer. I think that's that last shred that's going to keep Rick from becoming Shane.
I've really gotta watch season 1 while it's still on Netflix streaming, cause this show just keeps sounding better and better,
Saw it coming, but it was still good.Anyone who can't see the distinction between that and the nameless girl in the pilot missed the point.
Watch the pilot, then run away
J
Joe Johnson
I don't know, it seemed to me that Hershal DID change a bit when Shane was making his point - ie, he shot her (the first zombie he shoots) right in the chest multiple times, in the heart, lungs, etc. A person would normally be dead in that instance, but she kept on going like nothing happened. The look on Hershal's face to me said that he finally "got it", even if he didn't WANT to believe it.
I also thought this was a great episode, redeeming any of the slow/soap-opera elements of some of the earlier episodes.
And, after getting over the initial shock of the end of the episode, I started to wonder about Sophia being in the barn. Did Hershal know she was in there? I mean, they are the ones who corralled the zombies in there right (Hershal's group)? So, the events are: they put a 10 year old girl zombie (or, infected person) in the barn. A day or two later, a bunch of strangers come in telling them that they're looking for a 10 year old girl lost in the woods nearby. Do you think he knew and was hiding it?
I also thought this was a great episode, redeeming any of the slow/soap-opera elements of some of the earlier episodes.
And, after getting over the initial shock of the end of the episode, I started to wonder about Sophia being in the barn. Did Hershal know she was in there? I mean, they are the ones who corralled the zombies in there right (Hershal's group)? So, the events are: they put a 10 year old girl zombie (or, infected person) in the barn. A day or two later, a bunch of strangers come in telling them that they're looking for a 10 year old girl lost in the woods nearby. Do you think he knew and was hiding it?