[TV] The Walking Dead
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Why does a metaphor have to be hard to figure out?
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I actually yelled at the TV when she took the shot. I also wanted to rip my hair out afterward when Dale said 'Don't beat yourself up about it.' Don't beat yourself up about it? Don't beat yourself up about it?
It's time to vote her ass off the island.
It's time to vote her ass off the island.
The sign of any good writing is a passion for a character, even if that's anger. Wanting to see Dolores Umbridge violated by centaurs, for me, was the sign of a well-written character. The fact Andrea's causing so much animosity certainly lends itself to that same theory.
They're not writing her to piss people off, they've written a character whose actions piss people off. I don't see her actions as particularly out of character for someone living in her circumstances, and she is kind of an idiot (But then again, she didn't come up with the idea of lowering Glenn into the well, did she?) but if that's the character arc they have set up for her, so be it. She's a far more interesting character at the beginning of the TV show than she was at the beginning of the comic. It took a long time for her to
she is in the comics.
They're not writing her to piss people off, they've written a character whose actions piss people off. I don't see her actions as particularly out of character for someone living in her circumstances, and she is kind of an idiot (But then again, she didn't come up with the idea of lowering Glenn into the well, did she?) but if that's the character arc they have set up for her, so be it. She's a far more interesting character at the beginning of the TV show than she was at the beginning of the comic. It took a long time for her to
become the wicked-ass sniper bitch
she is in the comics.
Every time Darryl does something on the show, I keep expecting to hear this:
Agreed. Even my wife said that Daryl is the only smart, capable person on the show.
And it's bad writing that other people will realistically endure such a grand idiotic act by forgiving them a few mere minutes afterwards. Let me get this straight.... she's a novice marksman, trying to place a dangerous shot while her friends are mere feet from the target while she has a glare in her eyes without even confirming the target... all the while people are screaming DON'T SHOOT? And NO ONE WANTS TO KILL HER? WHAT THE FUCCCCK.
I prefer Shane to be the head of this group because that kind of act has no place if they REALLY want live or not.
It's not that it was a surprise, you could tell it was coming by how much of a retard she was being when she started screaming OMG DEAD WALKING and changing positions like some COD noob to get a better shot while the saliva was drooling at this opportunity to validate her existence. The whole part had me screaming on my couch, so was my woman, the sheer retardation was beyond acceptable.... they were mere seconds away from having me not wanting to watch the show anymore.
Maybe I exagerrate.... or maybe it was the fact that her character annoys the fuck out of me since the beginning I've seen her face. She's a thankless dipshit that cannot appreciate the gravity of the situation that everyone is facing and how many more countless people faced. Maybe they've written her like that. Fine. But I have a problem with such a character in my survival group.
Maybe it the way I'd behave when faced with a Class 4 Solanum outbreak, if you can't adapt, I think you're a huge liability. Between that and the women worrying about their periods I've love to see some more action. Hopefully next episode was the end of that.
However, those segments with Darryl last week saved the season IMO.
But seriously, if he would have been killed off? Like that? I'd stop watching.
And that ain't no bluff.
Thing is, she is a liability. And she isn't the only one currently or in the future of the group. But Rick is a staunch believer in keeping people alive because they are people and, let's face it, there aren't many left in that world. Is Andrea annoying.... yes. Is she unbelievable, I don't think so. She isn't portrayed this way in the comic and given that the series deviates from the comic is some pretty significant ways, it may be that they are playing with her arc a little.
She certainly isn't ruining the show for me at all, though I can't wait till she gets her fricking act together.
She certainly isn't ruining the show for me at all, though I can't wait till she gets her fricking act together.
Fact is, this is a group made up of average intelligence people. That means some people will be above average intelligence (Daryl, Rick(ish), Shane, Herschel) and some will be below average intelligence (Sonia mom's, Andrea, Dale). I'm abusing sampling statistics and averages for this example obviously.
How boring a show would it be if everyone was Daryl?
Ok, bad example.
How boring a show would it be if everyone did the right thing at the exact right time in every occurence? Andrea got cocky with a gun. She had a little practice, and like a little kid eager to show off, she popped off what she felt was an easy shot. If she had hit him right between the eyes, I would have been pissed - partly because Daryl would have been dead, but partly because a complete gun noob just made an impossible shot staring into the sun.
If it was a kid who did it, we'd all be pissed, but we'd nod our head in understanding. A dumb blonde does it, and it's freak out time? There are fucking stupid people in the world. It just so happens some of them survived the zombie apocalypse.
How boring a show would it be if everyone was Daryl?
Ok, bad example.
How boring a show would it be if everyone did the right thing at the exact right time in every occurence? Andrea got cocky with a gun. She had a little practice, and like a little kid eager to show off, she popped off what she felt was an easy shot. If she had hit him right between the eyes, I would have been pissed - partly because Daryl would have been dead, but partly because a complete gun noob just made an impossible shot staring into the sun.
If it was a kid who did it, we'd all be pissed, but we'd nod our head in understanding. A dumb blonde does it, and it's freak out time? There are fucking stupid people in the world. It just so happens some of them survived the zombie apocalypse.
Actually that's a good point, she didn't nail him but she did wing him in what was a very difficult shot. This might be a build up to...
Andrea in the comic is a crack shot and one of the best in the group with a gun.
There was an argument that characters doing stupid things doesn't mean it's a poorly written show and I see how that could logically lead to 'realer is gooder' but no one's really made that leap yet.
Saying that realism doesn't necessarily make for good stories is like saying puppies don't necessarily make for a good apple pie.
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If you say so. It sure looked like people were making that leap to me. Plus, you know, one of those statements makes logical sense out of context, and the other doesn't, which makes your puppy example a straw man.
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Plus, don't make me go back 15 pages and quote every time someone used realism as an argument in a post here.
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Plus, don't make me go back 15 pages and quote every time someone used realism as an argument in a post here.
GasBandit
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To me, it wouldn't be about realism, per say, as the ability to effortlessly suspend disbelief. For that, there has to at least be consistency and people have to act in a believable manner in what would ordinarily be an unbelievable situation. For someone to put up repeatedly with the insufferable breaks that suspension of disbelief way more than any zombie apocalypse scenario.
The puppy example is a non sequitur, similar to your comment that realism doesn't necessarily make for good stories. If a story demands realism, realism will be central to the quality of the story. In a story about toys coming to life behind our back to have wacky mis-adventures or zombies invading a gun-loving state, realism has no bearing on the story except to the extent the author requires it. Realism has no bearing on the quality of the story, it's a simply a singular component of the story. Like puppies in a good old fashioned apple pie.
Honestly, I think a lot of us comic folk are more forgiving of Andrea's missteps because we know where her arc is eventually going to go... and also because she wasn't so fucking retarded in the early stages of the comic. Same with Dale, Glenn, and Rick. But if I didn't know where their stories were going, I'd probably hate them just as much as some of you do.
She wasn't much of anything in the comics other than the girl whose sister became Zombie Chowda.
I didn't say it has to be. In fact I applaud Romero's stance when confronted about Dawn of the Dead's "barely concealed metaphor" where he replied that it wasn't concealed at all and couldn't have been more blatant. I can't remember the exact quote but it got a good chuckle out of me, and I agree with the sentiment. I think most people would agree that a metaphor that isn't easy for the general public to discern is a terrible metaphor.
But that's my point; people should be able to figure this one out, but people are just like "Where are the zombies!?!?!". Lazy was just a supremely poor choice of words.
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Uh....
That was my original comment!
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I mean your whole post is a longer version of my post you originally called "silly"!
I think we'd all be less hateful towards Andrea if the actor playing her was any good. I really think that because she can only deliver her lines coldly and without emotion, or dialed up to 11 with no room for subtlety, she ends up seeming even more whiney, more self-centred, and just all the more insufferable than the writers probably intend.
But my logic is superior in proving your point!
North_Ranger
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And who was getting boned by Dale.
Correction:
Now she's Shane's fuck buddy.
I like how Sophia's mom seems to be more interested in Daryl's cock more than her daughter.
