I'm still waiting for the inevitable arc where Robbie loses it all and goes back to living on the PvP couch with Jase.
[Webcomic] PVP Discussion
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GasBandit
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I think he was referring to Robbie's rich friend, not Robbie himself.
Today, Cole continues to be the strip's antagonist, in accordance with Gustology.
The couch no longer exists, since they've moved to Seattle.
On a separate note - Jeph Jacques of Questionable Content fame drew Valerie with one of his main characters (Faye) in a "gettin' all racist on you" throwdown.
On a separate note - Jeph Jacques of Questionable Content fame drew Valerie with one of his main characters (Faye) in a "gettin' all racist on you" throwdown.
Ah, comicgenesis used to be a fun place with a lot of activity. I remember Van Douchebag. I know a lot of the members didn't like him but I found him amusing.
I realized I hadn't read PVP in a few weeks and didn't miss it. When I came to this forum and saw this thread at the top it'd serve as a reminder to check out the comic. When this thread dropped to the bottom of the page it never occurred to me to check it.
I don't. Even in 2005, that was a haven for hipsters.
Dave
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Not true. I knew CG (the old timers call it "CG" or ceej) before it got taken over by the hipsters. They really ruined it.
For the record, I never knew about it until yesterday...
Actually the little redhead's first few appearances had her doing the "Jade frowning with arms crossed" a lot, too, before Kurtz got on the guy for it. So I can't say it was entirely off base - the wizard also looked quite a bit more Brent-like. But that was within the first few weeks of Spells and Whistles.All right, I did some digging. Here's an image of the guy who Kurtz was saying was a rip-off of Skull (only he was blue)
And here's the girl who he claimed was a rip-off of Jade
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This was apparently enough to warrant legal action from him. But I guess he thinks it's okay for him to blatantly and admittedly rip off characters from other media.
There's an old comicgenesis forum topic on the subject here.
I'm just glad that Doonesbury did not sue Bloom County for copy right infringement. It could have happened and it could have stuck...
GasBandit
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Well, probably didn't happen because Bloom County assuredly didn't copy Doonsbury's complete lack of entertainment.
figmentPez
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Ugh, Kurtz's latest rant. He's the one who needs a reality check. He has no grasp on how unusual his position in comics is.
What rant?
figmentPez
Staff member
"All without any real grasp of anatomy or storytelling."
Wow, Kurtz actually admits it. I'm trying to remember any PVP storyarc that has a clear conclusion.
Wow, Kurtz actually admits it. I'm trying to remember any PVP storyarc that has a clear conclusion.
Wow... what a load of crap...
You mean Keenspace?
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Anyway, I'm disappointed in that rant. It was sorely lacking in classic quotable Kurtzisms. For all that he didn't understand about what he's saying, he didn't state any of it memorably. Sad.
It was a great place when it was Keenspace. We had a blast in the forums. Some of the art threads (where we'd do a comic jam which included many of the forum members) were a blast. Around 2005 it got pretty bad and I ended up searching for a new forum. Found the PvP forum to be really interesting and stuck around. Sad empty shell of what it once was.
That's pretty much my story right there. I can count on one hand the number of people I kept any contact with, and they too have pretty much disassociated themselves from that place.
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You mean where he's summarizing facts that recently occurred?
Well, that and when he says people are overreacting. Selling prints of someone else's artwork is not equal to doing a one of a kind sketch at a con, or even through your own website.
figmentPez
Staff member
I wonder how many of the artists he just criticized already have their own characters, and are doing Marvel sketches at conventions in order to support themselves long enough for their own characters to catch on.
I like how Scott tweeted about using the three-day weekend to get ahead on PVP when Friday's strip isn't even up yet on Saturday.
figmentPez
Staff member
So, Kurtz tweets:
"It's fascinating the email I'm receiving over my "reality check" post. Is there a perception I happened upon success through luck or fate?"
"Many feel I succeed only because I started so early in the history of webcomics. Nobody arguing wants to argue I earned what I have."
Mr. Kurtz, you are a tremendous talent, with skill in both drawing and humor but you're also a lazy jerk. Yes, your success is partly due to happenstance. While your talent has seen you succeed despite your chronic lateness and your incredible ability to offend others, there are many who have just as much talent who have not succeeded to anywhere near the same level. When it comes to fame and fandom, there is a great element of chance. Some memes propagate, while others fizzle out, and often it doesn't have anything to do with how funny or culturally relevant they are. Fame, she is a fickle mistress.
If you were talented, driven and personable, then I would little doubt that you would have succeeded eventually, chance or not. There are many I respect who have all three of these, and more, who have succeeded, and it's clear they would have to have immensely bad circumstances in order to not succeed. However, when someone is only talented, and does not show a willingness to be disciplined in their work, or an ability be consistently nice to their fans and competitors, then their success is based on the chance that they can build a following before they lose it to apathy or aggravation.
It is both chance and effort that combined to make you the success you are Mr. Kurtz. Don't shy away from this truth, it is true for a great number of successes in this world. Let it be a reminder to have humility from your position of greatness. You have done great things, and I have enjoyed a great many laughs because of your work, but do not think to condescend to other artists who have not succeeded simply because you have. Be proud that your talent, and the time you've spent developing it, has allowed you to take great advantage of the opportunities that have come your way, but be humble and never forget that those same opportunities have not presented themselves to every artist, and it is not your skill that necessarily made all those opportunities available to you.
"It's fascinating the email I'm receiving over my "reality check" post. Is there a perception I happened upon success through luck or fate?"
"Many feel I succeed only because I started so early in the history of webcomics. Nobody arguing wants to argue I earned what I have."
Mr. Kurtz, you are a tremendous talent, with skill in both drawing and humor but you're also a lazy jerk. Yes, your success is partly due to happenstance. While your talent has seen you succeed despite your chronic lateness and your incredible ability to offend others, there are many who have just as much talent who have not succeeded to anywhere near the same level. When it comes to fame and fandom, there is a great element of chance. Some memes propagate, while others fizzle out, and often it doesn't have anything to do with how funny or culturally relevant they are. Fame, she is a fickle mistress.
If you were talented, driven and personable, then I would little doubt that you would have succeeded eventually, chance or not. There are many I respect who have all three of these, and more, who have succeeded, and it's clear they would have to have immensely bad circumstances in order to not succeed. However, when someone is only talented, and does not show a willingness to be disciplined in their work, or an ability be consistently nice to their fans and competitors, then their success is based on the chance that they can build a following before they lose it to apathy or aggravation.
It is both chance and effort that combined to make you the success you are Mr. Kurtz. Don't shy away from this truth, it is true for a great number of successes in this world. Let it be a reminder to have humility from your position of greatness. You have done great things, and I have enjoyed a great many laughs because of your work, but do not think to condescend to other artists who have not succeeded simply because you have. Be proud that your talent, and the time you've spent developing it, has allowed you to take great advantage of the opportunities that have come your way, but be humble and never forget that those same opportunities have not presented themselves to every artist, and it is not your skill that necessarily made all those opportunities available to you.
figmentPez
Staff member
I laughed at today's PVP.
Out With The Old...
Out With The Old...
I groaned to high heaven when I read his justification using Dubbelosix from Asterix. One of the key features of Asterix beyond it's immediate main plot (Asterix's adventures) was the secondary parodying of real (mostly but not always French) celebrities/politicians.
What Scott is doing isn't parody, it's more like a straight transfer of a character who doesn't have anything remotely resembling the iconic impact of Sean Connery. It's just cheap.
What Scott is doing isn't parody, it's more like a straight transfer of a character who doesn't have anything remotely resembling the iconic impact of Sean Connery. It's just cheap.