[NHL] Off Season- draft, trades, rumours, withdrawl support

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checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Yup. How many of these guys are still playing today?

This type of front loaded contract is completely circumventing the whole cap system, and needs to be addressed. I have to figure this is one of the big things that's going to be on the table in the negotiations, cause this is getting ridiculous.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

The rumour is a max 6 yr contract length. Which is nice in that it requires you to continue to perform to earn the big bucks in your next contract. Heatley had back to back 50 goal seasons with the Senators, so they gave him a 6 yr extension, that will expire soon. One can reasonably assume that he will never make that kind of money again.

Another problem for me with long term contracts is that they span CBA's. So if it is the GM's agreeing to them, it implies that they expect to lose ground continually at the bargaining table.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Penguins signed Dupuis away from the Toronto Marlies. I don't know if the deal is actually to have him play in the NHL or they're going to keep him in the AHL. If he winds up playing for them in the NHL, I'm going to get confused.[DOUBLEPOST=1341501336][/DOUBLEPOST]This is hypnotic:
http://deadspin.com/5923582
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

All depends how he gets labelled in the AHL. Is he development or not? It's a two way deal for next to no money, so maybe they are just filling up the AHL with a vet to help the rookies grow?
 
Jay

Jay

Well if that was the case, Quebec shouldn't have lost their team in 1994.

Quebec never lost anywhere close to what Phoenix is losing season after season. I think one season loss in Phoenix was already 10 times more than what was lost back then in Quebec city of all the years combined and if Bettman had put even 10% of the effort he put into Phoenix, the team would have never moved.

Fuck Phoenix and their people.

They have a solid team for years now and they can't even break even.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Yeah, if this was 1994 I would be against quebec losing their team. And I don't really care that Phoenix loses money. They still have fans who love and care about the team. We went through this with the Sabres and are going through this with the Bills. I can't support another team going away when I know how much it sucks to hear that about your team.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

I don't know how binding it is, but apparently when Pegula bought the Sabres there was a clause in the contract that said the team wasn't allowed to be relocated.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

I can't wait for that rink to be built in Markham. I am already sick of hearing about NHL team speculation (Seriously, that just isn't going to happen), but if/ when they bring the World Juniors there, which is the current plan, I'll definitely go.

What they SHOULD do is move the Marlies there. Marlies get no love in Toronto where they are right now. The Ricoh is in just such an inconvenient place, and they are just completely overshadowed by the Leafs. Move them up north a bit to Markham, where there is still a hardcore Leafs fanbase but no team in town and I bet they'd have a real chance at a fanbase there.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

I'm just teasing. :p

I have a problem with the location of farm teams though, what is the inconvenience of getting sent to the AHL if it's in the same city? You don't need to move or even alter your routine. Put your farm team somewhere professional athletes don't want to be, like Moosejaw, Timmins or Halifax.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

HCGLNS said:
I'm just teasing. :p

I have a problem with the location of farm teams though, what is the inconvenience of getting sent to the AHL if it's in the same city? You don't need to move or even alter your routine. Put your farm team somewhere professional athletes don't want to be, like Moosejaw, Timmins or Halifax.
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I figured you were teasing before, and probably are now, but bottom rung players tend to make less than a quarter of what they do in the NHL. I'm glad the Sabres are affiliated with Rochester again. Now if we need to mae an emergency call-up we dont need much notice.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

No I was being serious that time, players will always get a taste of the NHL at the various camps through the summer and veterans playing in the AHL, but think of the added motivation they get for playing in a town that loves them but doesn't have cable TV or even a transit system.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

HCGLNS said:
I'm just teasing. :p

I have a problem with the location of farm teams though, what is the inconvenience of getting sent to the AHL if it's in the same city? You don't need to move or even alter your routine. Put your farm team somewhere professional athletes don't want to be, like Moosejaw, Timmins or Halifax.
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You just want the Citadels back.

It is a good point though. But my point is an AHL team would likely actually have a really successful audience in Markham, whereas I've been to the Marlies and the place was MAYBE a quarter capacity. The Rock have bigger turn outs, and hardly anyone in the city even knows what la crosse is.


So move the Marlies back to St. John's and move a west coast team's affiliate there.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

Look, the question I've always asked when people were chasing after MY team was this: "Canadian hockey fans, ask yourself this - would you rather have the game of hockey grow as a sport, or would you rather have your Hamilton Predators/Quebec Coyotes/Loserpeg Jets?"
 
Vrii

Vrii

And the counterpoint is that an American team that's only there because the league refuses to relocate it, and that is losing money every year regardless of the on-ice product, isn't growing the game.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

Psst, Canada? You know what you'd have if you didn't have NHL teams in the US?

The CFL.

You know - that sport that is supposedly football but no one outside of Canada actually cares about?
 
Jay

Jay

Ummm... where did you get "no American teams please" from the posts above?

Don't be a dipshit, that's obviously not what was being discussed.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

jwhouk said:
Psst, Canada? You know what you'd have if you didn't have NHL teams in the US?

The CFL.

You know - that sport that is supposedly football but no one outside of Canada actually cares about?
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What we would actually have is a adult league along the lines of our junior hockey system, but with fewer teams. With fewer teams we would have only the best players in the world playing, no talent dilution, fast paced aggressive hockey for all to enjoy.

Also, doncha be dissing da CFL. The CFL is awesome.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Nobody's saying there shouldn't be any US teams. And I don't really see what's wrong with a situation like the CFL. It's a Canadian league, why would other countries invest time into watching it? Why would we care if they do? Just as nobody outside of Australia watches Australian football. I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make here, taking something that nobody said and then making an argument that doesn't make sense for it.

What people DID say, is that the PHOENIX COYOTES, SPECIFICALLY,- not even any of the other sunbelt teams or any of the other struggling teams- this one in particular because of how COLOSSOLALLY it has failed and how much it has cost the league, should be relocated to another city and that Quebec City has a proven market the league could recover its losses with.

We aren't talking about Nashville, or Florida, or Tampa. These are teams that are growing. Neither are we talking the Islanders or New Jersey, teams that are losing money right now, but exist in markets where hockey is successful and could turn it around financially with on-ice success or bounce back when the economy has recovered some.

Would I rather the sport grow? Of course. So move the team somewhere where it'll grow.

*edit: Also, the only sports league I care less about than the CFL, is the NFL.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Off topic, Carolina and Colorado are two teams I often forget even exist. And that's not me making fun of them or anything, they just completely slip my mind. I know that's particularly funny with Colorado, given that we're discussing the move of the Quebec Nordiques.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Filthy Carolina, that's where we send those degenerate Staal brothers who refuse to play for Canada's Team.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Just who is paying for the Coyotes to be there?


Team / Average Ticket Price (09-10)
Chicago Blackhawks $46.80
Washington Capitals $44.75
Pittsburgh Penguins$55.55
Detroit Red Wings $46.60
San Jose Sharks $43.07
Vancouver Canucks $62.05
Philadelphia Flyers $60.25
Los Angeles Kings$47.20
New Jersey Devils $48.05
Boston Bruins $54.94
Buffalo Sabres $36.43
Tampa Bay Lightning $35.76
Carolina Hurricanes $38.38
Anaheim Ducks $43.50
Montreal Canadiens $72.18
Calgary Flames $59.73
Nashville Predators $48.36
St Louis Blues $37.90
Phoenix Coyotes$37.45
Ottawa Senators $52.77
New York Rangers $58.57
Colorado Avalanche $40.62
Toronto Maple Leafs $114.10
Dallas Stars $35.66
Florida Panthers $48.76
New York Islanders $51.46
Minnesota Wild $61.28
Atlanta Thrashers $48.51
Columbus Blue Jackets $47.66
Edmonton Oilers $59.71



(Prices have definitely gone up. Last season the CHEAPEST Leafs tickets I found were $119, so $114 average doesn't exactly add up.)
 
Jay

Jay

I'd suck a dick for 37$ hockey tickets.

I was in Tampa a few years back... watch a Tampa vs Rangers game... I paid 30$... and got stubs for 3 free hogt dogs and a huge beer.

The hots dogs and beer alone in Montreal was the ticket price... the game was FREE.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Only Leafs game I've been to was one my sister got free tickets for from the Toronto Sick Kids Hospital. Like I said, the cheapest I've found were $119, and that was for standing room only. No seats and no alcohol. The only way to get even a $70 ticket is to buy from a season ticket holder.

I get that tickets are going to be more expensive where there's more demand. That goes without saying. And I don't mind that the wealth is shared a little in the league to help the newer teams while they're still finding their audience.

But there is a problem when the ticket price is more than 200% the price of the majority of the league. That is the result of massive inflation to cover the losses incurred by an overly- agressive expansion and kneejerk relocations that needed to wait.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Eric Staal did. Jordan didn't, though I'm not sure if that was his choice or if he didn't make the cut.

Neither has been to the World Championships since 2007 though.
*Edit: Forgot about Marc Staal. He hasn't represented Canada internationally since the 2007 Worlds either.

Leaving Jared out of the conversation because we're talking NHL.
 
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