>___< "In a Woman's World"

[Steven Soderburgin]

It's amazing how a simple joke readily turns into a political thread, with labels and insults thrown around.

CDS is a better troll than A Troll.

*Typing that last sentence, than reading it aloud makes me twitch inside. rly:

This post is hilarious because CDS isn't a troll, A Troll is easily one of the worst posters on the entire forum, and because you're actually surprised that a joke that exploits ignorant stereotypes might offend someone. I bet you like Jeff Dunham.

 

[makare]

It's amazing how a simple joke readily turns into a political thread, with labels and insults thrown around.

CDS is a better troll than A Troll.

*Typing that last sentence, than reading it aloud makes me twitch inside. rly:

This post is hilarious because CDS isn't a troll, A Troll is easily one of the worst posters on the entire forum, and because you're actually surprised that a joke that exploits ignorant stereotypes might offend someone. I bet you like Jeff Dunham.

oy vey, you two act like Dunham is the Antichrist, I mean I don't take you seriously for many reasons but that is a major factor. :eyeroll:

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

oy vey, you two act like Dunham is the Antichrist, I mean I don't take you seriously for many reasons but that is a major factor. :eyeroll:

Nah, I just think casual bigotry is kind of a bad thing. Now I would tell you to go back to pretending you know something about feminism but I don't want to encourage you to continue undermining a movement I care deeply about with your ignorance.

 

[Hailey Knight]

The difference between genders is something that we discuss a lot in my major. If you area guy, you're automatically at more risk of dropping out than a girl for many reasons.

-First, since there are usually more female elementary school teachers, they tend identify more with the girls. Boys often get punished more often because people assume they are going to make more trouble--"boys will be boys", anyone?

-Second, it's been noted that boys and girls start to split off at about age 13 when it comes to preferences in literature. This is most likely a culture thing, but that's the way it is now. And these female teachers are often selecting reading material for the class that these boys find irrelevant or uninteresting.

-Third, boys are more likely to become emotionally disturbed or depressed, because they are not encouraged to share their feelings as often as girls. Girls are expected and "allowed" to let things out, while boys are expected to be tough.

Of course, these are all trends that have been noted--none are absolutes. But those are the gender-based challenges I face. There is my part, I guess... not exactly what we're talking about, I suppose, but I thought it was interesting.

First: Didn't hold for me, but mainly because I was a good kid. Though when I got hit, no one did shit until my dad came to the school and yelled at the principal.

Second: True for me. I don't remember half the shit we read, but I hated it. It wasn't until I hit later high school before finally getting literature I found interesting.

Third: Also true for me. It wasn't until college when I finally opened up, and then I stopped hating myself.

Also: I think half the board make better trolls than A Troll.

And on-topic: The cartoon aims at stereotypes because they're familiar. Aim for the lowest common denominator to get the most views. Next step would be something like "Humans. We sure are human, aren't we?"

 

[ThatGrinningIdiot!]

oy vey, you two act like Dunham is the Antichrist, I mean I don't take you seriously for many reasons but that is a major factor. :eyeroll:

Nah, I just think casual bigotry is kind of a bad thing. Now I would tell you to go back to pretending you know something about feminism but I don't want to encourage you to continue undermining a movement I care deeply about with your ignorance.

I always laugh when I hear that word. Feminism. Heh.

 

[Green_Lantern]

Though I have to admit that I'd be slightly upset if my hairdresser left her salon. So far she's the only one who (a) hasn't booped up my hair and (b) hasn't gone insane.

You hair must be pure evil.

 

[makare]

oy vey, you two act like Dunham is the Antichrist, I mean I don't take you seriously for many reasons but that is a major factor. :eyeroll:

Nah, I just think casual bigotry is kind of a bad thing. Now I would tell you to go back to pretending you know something about feminism but I don't want to encourage you to continue undermining a movement I care deeply about with your ignorance.

Sure, you care so much about it that you drag it through the gutter with your whiny self-indulgent indignance. You don't understand the first thing about Feminism which is painfully obvious to all those of us who do. But you just go ahead and act like the founders of Feminism, who worked hard to earn equal pay and equal rights for women, wouldn't be just a little embarrassed by the word Feminism being used to voice outrage about the lives of animated characters.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

Sure, you care so much about it that you drag it through the gutter with your whiny self-indulgent indignance. You don't understand the first thing about Feminism which is painfully obvious to all those of us who do. But you just go ahead and act like the founders of Feminism, who worked hard to earn equal pay and equal rights for women, wouldn't be just a little embarrassed by the word Feminism being used to voice outrage about the lives of animated characters.

I'm outraged because it's sexist and not only does it reveal continued acceptance of traditional gender roles and stereotypes, it contributes to the persistence of those stereotypes. I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion with you about the subject because last time I tried to, you revealed the depth of your ignorance and inability to accept ideas that differ from what you already believe.

 

[Chippy]

I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion with you about the subject because last time I tried to, you revealed the depth of your ignorance and inability to accept ideas that differ from what you already believe.

Quit being such a woman.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion with you about the subject because last time I tried to, you revealed the depth of your ignorance and inability to accept ideas that differ from what you already believe.

Quit being such a woman.

This might be a "you first" situation, followed by a possible "your mom," and maybe a "You got served!"

 

[Chippy]

I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion with you about the subject because last time I tried to, you revealed the depth of your ignorance and inability to accept ideas that differ from what you already believe.

Quit being such a woman.

This might be a "you first" situation, followed by a possible "your mom," and maybe a "You got served!"

Don't forget the "Daaaaaaaaayum!"

 

[makare]

Sure, you care so much about it that you drag it through the gutter with your whiny self-indulgent indignance. You don't understand the first thing about Feminism which is painfully obvious to all those of us who do. But you just go ahead and act like the founders of Feminism, who worked hard to earn equal pay and equal rights for women, wouldn't be just a little embarrassed by the word Feminism being used to voice outrage about the lives of animated characters.

I'm outraged because it's sexist and not only does it reveal continued acceptance of traditional gender roles and stereotypes, it contributes to the persistence of those stereotypes. I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion with you about the subject because last time I tried to, you revealed the depth of your ignorance and inability to accept ideas that differ from what you already believe.

No, I accept your ideas. Just don't call them Feminist ideas, because they are not. A Feminist would see that a woman can be how she wants to be, that includes loving shoes and shopping and gossip. Feminism is about a woman's right to be who and what she wants to be.
You and your kind of pseudo-feminists complain about women being stereotyped and then turn around and stick women into just another mandatory role, ie the only way you can be a real woman is by not liking shoes or by not liking gossip, women in your opinion should be just as limited as they are in the world where being kaffeeklatsch queens is their only option. Only you insist they be anything but.

That is not Feminism. Feminism is about equality and choice.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

CDS is a better troll than A Troll.

Dude, I'm a better troll than A Troll and I suck at it. A Troll is a better poster than I am, though, so it balances out.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

No, I accept your ideas. Just don't call them Feminist ideas, because they are not. A Feminist would see that a woman can be how she wants to be, that includes loving shoes and shopping and gossip. Feminism is about a woman's right to be who and what she wants to be.
You and your kind of pseudo-feminists complain about women being stereotyped and then turn around and stick women into just another mandatory role, ie the only way you can be a real woman is by not liking shoes or by not liking gossip, women in your opinion should be just as limited as they are in the world where being kaffeeklatsch queens is their only option. Only you insist they be anything but.

That is not Feminism. Feminism is about equality and choice.

I never said a woman can't be who she wants to be. All I really said was "stereotypes are bad."

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

I never said a woman can't be who she wants to be. All I really said was "stereotypes are bad."

Except when it comes to comedy. In comedy, stereotypes are gold. What fucking world do you live in?

 

[SeraRelm]

No, I accept your ideas. Just don't call them Feminist ideas, because they are not. A Feminist would see that a woman can be how she wants to be, that includes loving shoes and shopping and gossip. Feminism is about a woman's right to be who and what she wants to be.
You and your kind of pseudo-feminists complain about women being stereotyped and then turn around and stick women into just another mandatory role, ie the only way you can be a real woman is by not liking shoes or by not liking gossip, women in your opinion should be just as limited as they are in the world where being kaffeeklatsch queens is their only option. Only you insist they be anything but.

That is not Feminism. Feminism is about equality and choice.

I never said a woman can't be who she wants to be. All I really said was "stereotypes are bad."

What if a woman's choices lead her to fill certain stereotypes?

 

[HowDroll]

I find it really funny that all of the men on this forum have sand in their vaginas over this.

Like makare, I thought it was cute. I also didn't take it seriously. Guess what? When my friends and I get together, we do sometimes talk about hot men, fabulous shoes, and call ourselves fat in a desperate attempt to be reassured that we're really not. Would the men of the forum be offended if someone posted a video with four guys going "huurrrr hot girls and sports" over a six-pack? I think not.

 

[Cajungal]

I never said a woman can't be who she wants to be. All I really said was "stereotypes are bad."

Except when it comes to comedy. In comedy, stereotypes are gold. What booping world do you live in?

Yeah, actually, looking at it again, I STILL don't think it's funny. But I can see where one might get a laugh out of it.

I've always found stuff like that really tired. I guess since it's not me at all I can't identify.

 

[Iaculus]

I find it really funny that all of the men on this forum have sand in their vaginas over this.

Like makare, I thought it was cute. I also didn't take it seriously. Guess what? When my friends and I get together, we do sometimes talk about hot men, fabulous shoes, and call ourselves fat in a desperate attempt to be reassured that we're really not. Would the men of the forum be offended if someone posted a video with four guys going "huurrrr hot girls and sports" over a six-pack? I think not.

Actually, the same folks probably would. Check the comments in the 'manliest town' thread.

I think that some people just need to learn that bludgeoning everyone within a five-mile radius to death with screaming outrage isn't always the best way to deal with an attitude you dislike.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

I find it really funny that all of the men on this forum have sand in their vaginas over this.

Hey! Not all of us. Sure, I didn't find it entertaining but I've never cared for Sex and the City, either. I'm clearly not the target audience and I have no issues with that. My original, first reply in this thread - - was actually directed at the OP's reaction. I was simply confused that he even bothered to react to it.

and CajunGal, I certainly am not saying that the use of stereotypes guarantees comedy gold. But it's the basis of so many jokes.

 

[SeraRelm]

I find it really funny that all of the men on this forum have sand in their vaginas over this.

Like makare, I thought it was cute. I also didn't take it seriously. Guess what? When my friends and I get together, we do sometimes talk about hot men, fabulous shoes, and call ourselves fat in a desperate attempt to be reassured that we're really not. Would the men of the forum be offended if someone posted a video with four guys going "huurrrr hot girls and sports" over a six-pack? I think not.

Actually, the same folks probably would. Check the comments in the 'manliest town' thread.

I think that some people just need to learn that bludgeoning everyone within a five-mile radius to death with screaming outrage isn't always the best way to deal with an attitude you dislike.

SHUT UP!

 

[Cajungal]

and CajunGal, I certainly am not saying that the use of stereotypes guarantees comedy gold. But it's the basis of so many jokes.

Yeah I hear what you're saying. I guess that, since this is part of a snack campaign, they didn't wanna invest too much in the writing.

 

[ElJuski]

I'm just saying that that I thought that commercial was fucking stupid. But, when it boils down to it, if that's your thing...do what you're gonna do. But I really hope none of you people are THAT cardboard plain. That makes me a little bit. I don't know. Remember, I'm the guy that still cringes at the "I Love College" song, even though I've filled that stereotype plenty of times.

As for the debate, I really wish Mind Detective popped in with more psychology stuff. I'd really have enjoyed seeing a more...pleasant debate than the gooey sarcastic gunk that's all up ins. I'm actually interested in what Kissinger and Charlie gotta say beyond the snark and bile getting tossed around. Anybody else have a good education backdrop in stuff like this that wants to tackle this

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

and CajunGal, I certainly am not saying that the use of stereotypes guarantees comedy gold. But it's the basis of so many jokes.

Yeah I hear what you're saying. I guess that, since this is part of a snack campaign, they didn't wanna invest too much in the writing.

Yeah, when I was making that original stereotypes=comedy gold statement I had Bill Cosby comedy routines going through my head, mixed in with Seinfeld and Everybody Loves Raymond episodes, plus that black guy from Designing Women gaying up the whole process.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

Anybody else have a good education backdrop in stuff like this that wants to tackle this

Dude, what? It's comedy, not Feminism or any shit that requires education. You either laugh at it or you don't. It's also a fucking ad. You either buy the shit or you don't.

EDIT: Should I bother to add that along with stereotypes, foul language makes a good jumpstart toward comedy gold?

 

[Allen who is Quiet]

foul language makes a good jumpstart toward comedy gold?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU_grXxvwLU:1ypf6na8][/youtube:1ypf6na8]

 

[makare]

Anybody else have a good education backdrop in stuff like this that wants to tackle this

Dude, what? It's comedy, not Feminism or any shit that requires education. You either laugh at it or you don't. It's also a fucking ad. You either buy the shit or you don't.

EDIT: Should I bother to add that along with stereotypes, foul language makes a good jumpstart toward comedy gold?

Yeah I dont understand either. Education in what Feminism? Advertisement? The tendency for people to extrapolate the behavior of four cartoon women to mean that those are the expected behaviors for all women?

I don't know.

 

[ElJuski]

Anybody else have a good education backdrop in stuff like this that wants to tackle this

Dude, what? It's comedy, not Feminism or any shit that requires education. You either laugh at it or you don't. It's also a fucking ad. You either buy the shit or you don't.

EDIT: Should I bother to add that along with stereotypes, foul language makes a good jumpstart toward comedy gold?

It jumped way beyond the piss excuse for "comedy". I was hoping that people could talk about sociological implications of gender roles versus biological implications. I don't give a shit about that stupid cartoon anymore. Haha, comedy. Stereotypes are the lowest common denominator. Good for a cheap laugh but hardly substantial. And yes, it is a fucking ad--something that people will watch and assimilate into their conscious. When we stop being critical of the media we get consumed by the media. It doesn't mean every commercial has to be a battle for the mountain, but when we become passive viewers we're all shit fucked.

 

[MisterSteve]

Now THAT's offensive.

 

[makare]

I didn't see any gender roles being represented in the cartoon, it was just four girls sitting around eating chips. But a good movie for talking about gender would be Pleasantville. That one really makes you think because you get the contrast between modern expectations of women and the "perfectly pleasant" women of the 1950's sitcom. The way the sister moves from one end to the other and finds a place in the middle is a visual representation of that change. Kind of how the women's activists in the 60's and 70's rebelled against the expectations of the 1950's, but then the pendulum swung too far and they were labeled "feminazis", now we are finding a middle ground where women are not limited to one side or the other.

 

[ElJuski]

Now THAT's offensive.

See, now that's funny because the person who made that realizes the absurdity of the stereotype involved. What wouldn't be funny if they had a commercial for KFC where a bunch of stereotypical black people sat around stereotyping their stereotypical black asses for three minutes.

 

[ElJuski]

I didn't see any gender roles being represented in the cartoon, it was just four girls sitting around eating chips. But a good movie for talking about gender would be Pleasantville. That one really makes you think because you get the contrast between modern expectations of women and the "perfectly pleasant" women of the 1950's sitcom. The way the sister moves from one end to the other and finds a place in the middle is a visual representation of that change. Kind of how the women's activists in the 60's and 70's rebelled against the expectations of the 1950's, but then the pendulum swung too far and they were labeled "feminazis", now we are finding a middle ground where women are not limited to one side or the other.

Pleasantville is a great movie. We just talked about it today during lecture (where conveniently I was busy raging over censorship). I totally see gender roles being presented in that sketch. That is an advertising company distilling what a woman is. It's vying for the least common denominator because they assume it's going to make all you people with vaginas go haywire over their chips. Now, you may have found it enjoyable, and that's fine. That's your perogative and your subjective tastes. I think the problem is is that there are people who just assume that is the face of america and of womankind and will never think outside of those lines, or if there *are* even lines.

That, and from a subjective comedy standpoint, that cartoon is fucking stupid

 

[makare]

I didn't see any gender roles being represented in the cartoon, it was just four girls sitting around eating chips. But a good movie for talking about gender would be Pleasantville. That one really makes you think because you get the contrast between modern expectations of women and the "perfectly pleasant" women of the 1950's sitcom. The way the sister moves from one end to the other and finds a place in the middle is a visual representation of that change. Kind of how the women's activists in the 60's and 70's rebelled against the expectations of the 1950's, but then the pendulum swung too far and they were labeled "feminazis", now we are finding a middle ground where women are not limited to one side or the other.

Pleasantville is a great movie. We just talked about it today during lecture (where conveniently I was busy raging over censorship). I totally see gender roles being presented in that sketch. That is an advertising company distilling what a woman is. It's vying for the least common denominator because they assume it's going to make all you people with vaginas go haywire over their chips. Now, you may have found it enjoyable, and that's fine. That's your perogative and your subjective tastes. I think the problem is is that there are people who just assume that is the face of america and of womankind and will never think outside of those lines, or if there *are* even lines.

That, and from a subjective comedy standpoint, that cartoon is fucking stupid

I really don't understand how you see so much in it. If it was four guys sitting around eating chips trying to help one of them feel better about losing his favorite barista or something would that be distilling what a man is?

I mean come on, sometimes we all just sit around and talk shit and eat chips. I do not see the problem.


The cartoon is not funny. and it is of really low quality. I mean the beginning sounds... well, I didn't know what to expect after that opening.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

yeah, Juski: There's shit out there targeted towards guys like you. Things, perhaps, like Married . . . with Children, or the rock band Rush. Stuff that's generally a "Guy thing." It doesn't appeal to women and they might find it offensive or just plain uninteresting even though you go apeshit crazy when Al sticks his hand in his pants or Neil pounds on the drums.

You gotta accept that it's a gal thing. You inherently cannot understand its appeal, whether it's good quality or not. Like Sex and the City (Man, that title pisses me off; I tuned in expecting girl on girl action but instead I get women buying shoes! Fucking pisser)

hmm, I think I might've stumbled onto the topic of conversation that you wanted.

 

[SeraRelm]

FUCK YOOOUUUUU!


I find the fire-hula-hoop girls hot...