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A Thread For Bold Claims

Aug 10, 2010#1

The Lovely Boehner

A bold claim is, most simply, a claim you make that you put in bold.

For this thread, it should be something about popular (or not popular) media. Movies, books, music, comics, TV, uhh... if I'm leaving out your favorite form of story-telling I apologize. It should be something a little outlandish, hopefully provocative, and never obvious to start debate. Calling Godfather the greatest movie of all time? That could be true, but it is lame. And it definitely is not a bold claim.

I'll start with one I realized tonight when I finally purchased a movie I've been meaning to own for a while.

The only three Batman movies I have any urge to rewatch are Batman! The Movie, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.

I don't mean to post this thread and run, but I'll be back in the morning with maybe new bold claims, or replies or more discussion. This is somewhat of an open season thread for arguing about movies/tv/comics/whatever, since I enjoy doing that a lot.

Aug 10, 2010#2

Disconnected

Josie and the pussycats is the greatest movie of all time.

Aug 10, 2010#3

checkeredhat

X-Men 3 wasn't that bad

Aug 10, 2010#4

Dave

Mouse Hunt is a great movie.

Aug 10, 2010#5

Philosopher B.

Signs was awesome.

Aug 10, 2010#6

checkeredhat

Philosopher B. said:
Signs was awesome.

If the people in your life consider that a bold claim, we should trade friends. Most people I know love that movie.

Aug 11, 2010#7

Cheesy1

The Birdcage wasn't THAT gay.

Aug 11, 2010#8

Troll

Stanley Kubrick was a talentless hack.

I went there.

Aug 11, 2010#9

Baerdog

Terminator 2 is far superior to The Terminator.

Aug 11, 2010#10

Math242

Paranormal activity sucks so much there are no words to describe it.

Aug 11, 2010#11

ThatNickGuy

Gigli was awesome!

Aug 11, 2010#12

Shannow

I am awesome.

Aug 11, 2010#13

The Lovely Boehner

Troll said:
Stanley Kubrick was a talentless hack.

I went there.

Go on.

Baerdog said:
Terminator 2 is far superior to The Terminator.

I can see saying T2 is better, but FAR? Come on. The Terminator is a really great movie.

Aug 11, 2010#14

Gusto

I feel Aaron Eckhart's performance in the Dark Knight was tragically overlooked.

Aug 11, 2010#15

Shannow

Ye God, how I love the rep system and the hilarious anon passive aggression it brings about.

Aug 11, 2010#16

sixpackshaker

What is popular in media, is rarely good.

Aug 11, 2010#17

HCGLNS

Saint Ralph is one of the greatest movies ever made!

Aug 11, 2010#18

Element 117

The Matrix Series actually made a lot of sense, and was really awesome.

Aug 11, 2010#19

Piotyr

The Lord of the Rings is the best trilogy of movies ever made.

Aug 11, 2010#20

The Lovely Boehner

Piotyr said:
The Lord of the Rings is the best trilogy of movies ever made.

lol

Aug 11, 2010#21

Element 117

Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

Aug 11, 2010#22

sixpackshaker

.Amy. said:
Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

Shia LeBeouf Makes every movie better.

Aug 11, 2010#23

Piotyr

The Lovely Boner said:
A bold claim is, most simply, a claim you make that you put in bold.

For this thread, it should be something about popular (or not popular) media. Movies, books, music, comics, TV, uhh... if I'm leaving out your favorite form of story-telling I apologize. It should be something a little outlandish, hopefully provocative, and never obvious to start debate. Calling Godfather the greatest movie of all time? That could be true, but it is lame. And it definitely is not a bold claim.

I'll start with one I realized tonight when I finally purchased a movie I've been meaning to own for a while.

The only three Batman movies I have any urge to rewatch are Batman! The Movie, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.

I don't mean to post this thread and run, but I'll be back in the morning with maybe new bold claims, or replies or more discussion. This is somewhat of an open season thread for arguing about movies/tv/comics/whatever, since I enjoy doing that a lot.

I have to ask...why Batman Forever?

Aug 11, 2010#24

Element 117

Amorous Eyes;426143][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
The Matrix Series actually made a lot of sense, and was really awesome.

I[/QUOTE]

You're so wrong you redefine wrong, and should be called Queen Ms Wrongface.

Aug 11, 2010#25

Baerdog

The Lovely Boner;426086][QUOTE=Troll said:
Stanley Kubrick was a talentless hack.

I went there.

Go on.

Baerdog said:
Terminator 2 is far superior to The Terminator.

I can see saying T2 is better, but FAR? Come on. The Terminator is a really great movie.[/QUOTE]

You're right, The Terminator is a great movie. However, it was also Cameron's first real feature film and I think it suffers a bit with characterization in the beginning and pacing in the middle. The soundtrack is also terribad, but that's more of an 80s movie thing than an inexperienced director thing. I believe that when Cameron made T2 he really benefited from having a few more movies under his belt. On the whole it just feels like a much tighter movie to me.

However, The Terminator did have one thing going for it that T2 doesn't: Lance Henriksen.

Aug 11, 2010#26

checkeredhat

I have to side with Baerdog. I find Terminator to be boring. T2 is far superior in every possible way.

Aug 11, 2010#27

fade

.Amy. said:
The Matrix Series actually made a lot of sense, and was really awesome.

Hey, we agree on something. Especially on paper. If you read, say, the wikipedia entries for the 2nd and 3rd films, they make a lot of sense and fit in well with the first movie. The execution was just not so great.

Aug 11, 2010#28

The Lovely Boehner

Piotyr;426145][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
A bold claim is, most simply, a claim you make that you put in bold.

For this thread, it should be something about popular (or not popular) media. Movies, books, music, comics, TV, uhh... if I'm leaving out your favorite form of story-telling I apologize. It should be something a little outlandish, hopefully provocative, and never obvious to start debate. Calling Godfather the greatest movie of all time? That could be true, but it is lame. And it definitely is not a bold claim.

I'll start with one I realized tonight when I finally purchased a movie I've been meaning to own for a while.

The only three Batman movies I have any urge to rewatch are Batman! The Movie, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.

I don't mean to post this thread and run, but I'll be back in the morning with maybe new bold claims, or replies or more discussion. This is somewhat of an open season thread for arguing about movies/tv/comics/whatever, since I enjoy doing that a lot.

I have to ask...why Batman Forever?[/QUOTE]

Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones give perfect performances for the type of movie Batman Forever is. It's the spiritual sequel to Batman The Movie. Nicole Kidman is still my favorite Batman/Wayne love interest out of every movie. The movie is just hilarious.

Also: Kiss from a Rose is one of my favorite songs of all time.

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.Amy. said:
Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

sixpackshaker;426137][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

Shia LeBeouf Makes every movie better.[/QUOTE]

y'all trollin?

Aug 11, 2010#29

figmentPez

Hudson Hawk is a brilliant comedy.

Aug 11, 2010#30

Just Me

Hudson Hawk really is a cool movie that's still awesome to watch!

Aug 11, 2010#31

Element 117

Amorous Eyes;426181][QUOTE=.Amy.;426146][QUOTE=Amorous Eyes;426143][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
The Matrix Series actually made a lot of sense, and was really awesome.

I[/QUOTE]

You're so wrong you redefine wrong, and should be called Queen Ms Wrongface.[/QUOTE]

I'm cute, but totally still a Wrongface. [/QUOTE]

So that's settled.

Aug 11, 2010#32

sixpackshaker

The Lovely Boner said:
y'all trollin?

Ya caught me.

Aug 11, 2010#33

Just Me

Tom Selleck would have been great as Indiana Jones!

Aug 11, 2010#34

checkeredhat

3D is the future of cinema.

(to clarify, I don't believe this for one second. I wish this fad would hurry up and die. Its annoying.)

Aug 11, 2010#35

sixpackshaker

checkeredhat said:
3D is the future of cinema.

(to clarify, I don't believe this for one second. I wish this fad would hurry up and die. Its annoying.)

3D would have made Star Wars Episode IV:The Legend of Curly's Gold even better. Just imagine the awesomeness of Gredo firing first, and missing Han Solo at two feet away, if it were shown in Real3D...

Aug 11, 2010#36

Baerdog

Speaking of City Slickers...

Jon Lovitz isn't that funny.

Aug 11, 2010#37

HCGLNS

JAWS is the most important film in modern movie history.

Aug 11, 2010#38

sixpackshaker

HCGLNS said:
JAWS is the most important film in modern movie history.

That is actually a defensible position.

Aug 11, 2010#39

checkeredhat

sixpackshaker;426332][QUOTE=HCGLNS said:
JAWS is the most important film in modern movie history.

That is actually a defensible position.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. You can debate its quality left and right, but you can't debate its influence on Hollywood. For the better or for the worse.

Aug 11, 2010#40

strawman

THIS CLAIM IS BOLD.

-Adam

Aug 11, 2010#41

checkeredhat

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
THIS CLAIM IS BOLD.

-Adam

Now that IS a bold claim, sir.

Aug 11, 2010#42

Gryfter

Uwe Boll is a underrated genius!

Wait... am I doing it right?

Aug 11, 2010#43

sixpackshaker

Gryfter said:
Uwe Boll is a underrated genius!

Wait... am I doing it right?

YES

Aug 11, 2010#44

Piotyr

The Secret of NIMH is the best animated film of all time.

Aug 11, 2010#45

Frankie Williamson

Transformers: The Movie (1986) is the best merchandising movie ever made.

Aug 11, 2010#46

sixpackshaker

Frank said:
Transformers: The Movie (1986) is the best merchandising movie ever made.

Close, but Lucas Invented the Merchandising movie segment.

Aug 11, 2010#47

Element 117

sixpackshaker;426374][QUOTE=Frank said:
Transformers: The Movie (1986) is the best merchandising movie ever made.

Close, but Lucas Invented the Merchandising movie segment.[/QUOTE]

These statements are not mutually exclusive.

Aug 11, 2010#48

V.Bond

The Spider-Man films went from bad to worse.

Aug 11, 2010#49

Element 117

Terminator 2's plot sucked.

"Sky Net will never be built!"

John Connor should have started disappearing,

Aug 11, 2010#50

checkeredhat

.Amy. said:
Terminator 2's plot sucked.

"Sky Net will never be built!"

John Connor should have started disappearing,

Aug 11, 2010#51

The Lovely Boehner

Vagabond said:
The Spider-Man films went from bad to worse.

what.

Aug 11, 2010#52

V.Bond

The James Bond franchise is better off dead.

Aug 11, 2010#53

Steve

I refuse to watch any pre 70's movie if it's in black and white.

Which might explain my movie taste (yes, Charlie, I still say Transformers was awesome). I've tried to watch old black and white movies and I can't do it. It's as painful as sitting in biology class listening to a lecture. On an unrelated note I've never watched any of the Godfather movies either.

Aug 11, 2010#54

phil

Because it's in black and white, it's automatically boring?

Aug 11, 2010#55

The Lovely Boehner

Steve said:
I refuse to watch any pre 70's movie if it's in black and white.

Which might explain my movie taste (yes, Charlie, I still say Transformers was awesome). I've tried to watch old black and white movies and I can't do it. It's as painful as sitting in biology class listening to a lecture. On an unrelated note I've never watched any of the Godfather movies either.

That sounds about right.

Aug 11, 2010#56

PatrThom

Rob Leifeld should illustrate the graphic novel of Avatar.
Fred Hembeck should do the sequel.

Jason Statham and Vin Diesel would be awesome for a Laurel and Hardy revival.

--Patrick

Aug 12, 2010#57

fade

I don't understand Michael Cera's appeal.

Aug 12, 2010#58

Hylian

Mark Hamill was the best Joker

Aug 12, 2010#59

Just Me

checkeredhat;426485][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
Terminator 2's plot sucked.

"Sky Net will never be built!"

John Connor should have started disappearing,

Aug 12, 2010#60

KCWM

Vagabond said:
The James Bond franchise is better off dead.

I didn't realize that the third Daniel Craig film had been suspended indefinitely (at least according to wiki). bummer.

Aug 12, 2010#61

fade

The Lovely Boner;426211][QUOTE=Piotyr;426145][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:
A bold claim is, most simply, a claim you make that you put in bold.

For this thread, it should be something about popular (or not popular) media. Movies, books, music, comics, TV, uhh... if I'm leaving out your favorite form of story-telling I apologize. It should be something a little outlandish, hopefully provocative, and never obvious to start debate. Calling Godfather the greatest movie of all time? That could be true, but it is lame. And it definitely is not a bold claim.

I'll start with one I realized tonight when I finally purchased a movie I've been meaning to own for a while.

The only three Batman movies I have any urge to rewatch are Batman! The Movie, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.

I don't mean to post this thread and run, but I'll be back in the morning with maybe new bold claims, or replies or more discussion. This is somewhat of an open season thread for arguing about movies/tv/comics/whatever, since I enjoy doing that a lot.

.Amy. said:
Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

sixpackshaker;426137][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
Uhm.
The latest Indiana Jones movie is the best of the series.

Shia LeBeouf Makes every movie better.[/QUOTE]

y'all trollin?[/QUOTE]

I respect your opinion, and I suppose I technically have to agree that Jones and Carrey gave performances commensurate with the movie. However, for a Batman fan, it (and the original movie) are like making a campy version of The Diary of Anne Frank.

Aug 12, 2010#62

Covar

Just Me;426716][QUOTE=checkeredhat;426485][QUOTE=.Amy. said:
Terminator 2's plot sucked.

"Sky Net will never be built!"

John Connor should have started disappearing,

Huh. Y'know, people criticize T3 for taking the main story point of T2 and stomping on it, but looking at it your way, T3 actually justifies an enormous, gaping plothole in T2 that everybody always just willingly overlooks.[/QUOTE]

As funny and useless it can be to discuss plotholes on time travel stories, didn't actually T2 totally interfere with everything Kyle Reese told Sarah in T1?
I haven't seen the movies in ages and never saw another after T2, but didn't he tell her the machine had been destroyed after he went through and it's only him and the T800?[/QUOTE]

four words can explain that away. "They built another"

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Quintin Terantino makes B rated movies on a Blockbuster budget, and the B movies tend to be better

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Watchmen was ok.

Aug 12, 2010#63

fade

"Duh."

Aug 12, 2010#64

The Lovely Boehner

Covar said:
[/COLOR]Watchmen was ok.

Are you talking about the movie or graphic novel?

Aug 12, 2010#65

Piotyr

In the vein of making bold claims about Watchmen: The ending of the Watchmen movie was better than the ending of the Watchmen graphic novel.

Aug 12, 2010#66

sixpackshaker

Piotyr said:
In the vein of making bold claims about Watchmen: The ending of the Watchmen movie was better than the ending of the Watchmen graphic novel.

Both ended the same way, a red-headed slob picks up Rorschach's journal.

Aug 12, 2010#67

The Lovely Boehner

I think he's more referring to the climax.

Aug 12, 2010#68

Disconnected

Stephen King stories are entertaining to read

Aug 12, 2010#69

Covar

The Lovely Boner;426956][QUOTE=Covar said:
[/COLOR]Watchmen was ok.

Are you talking about the movie or graphic novel?[/QUOTE]
The comic book.

The movie sucked balls and actually removed everything that was good about the comic.

Aug 12, 2010#70

checkeredhat

Covar;426993][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner;426956][QUOTE=Covar said:
[/COLOR]Watchmen was ok.

Aug 12, 2010#71

sixpackshaker

Disconnected said:
Stephen King stories are entertaining to read

I should hope so. I've read most and liked most of the ones that I've read.

Aug 12, 2010#72

checkeredhat

Scott Pilgrim will take this weekend's box office.

Aug 13, 2010#73

Covar

checkeredhat;426998][QUOTE=Covar;426993][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner;426956][QUOTE=Covar said:
[/COLOR]Watchmen was ok.

Are you talking about the movie or graphic novel?[/QUOTE]
The comic book.

The movie sucked balls and actually removed everything that was good about the comic.[/QUOTE]

Here, the phrase "Everything good" is used to describe a giant tentacle alien monster created by a team of kidnapped cloning scientists and effects artists.

In a comic that is attempting to place superheroes in the real world as opposed to those gimicky ones inhabited by Superman and the Avengers.[/QUOTE]

Much better than the movie where anyone with a half of brain could have figured out what really happened without Rorschach's journal.

The movie also removed every plot that wasn't the main plot, made Laurie a non-smoker (thus turning her into a bumbling moron), and basically removed everything that made Watchmen a comic book piece of literature, turning it into a generic super hero movie.

Aug 13, 2010#74

Dave

sixpackshaker;427001][QUOTE=Disconnected said:
Stephen King stories are entertaining to read

I should hope so. I've read most and liked most of the ones that I've read.[/QUOTE]

Half of Stephen King's books are utter crap.

Aug 13, 2010#75

sixpackshaker

Dave;427158][QUOTE=sixpackshaker;427001][QUOTE=Disconnected said:
Stephen King stories are entertaining to read

I should hope so. I've read most and liked most of the ones that I've read.[/QUOTE]

Half of Stephen King's books are utter crap.[/QUOTE]

Stephen King can write a book faster than an average reader can finish it.

Aug 13, 2010#76

checkeredhat

The only reason people wouldn't figure out the tentacle monster thing though is because its so idiotic only a 6 year old would think of it.

For Clarity, I actually liked both the comic and the movie. I read the comic before seeing the movie, before you ask.
I just feel the movie should be judged differently from the book. They are two very different storytelling mediums, seperated by two (three?) decades, and not everything that works in one medium could work in an other. The tentacle monster thing may be a perfectly valid plot device in a graphic novel from the 80s, but in a 21st century movie, I don't think the audience could suspend their belief to such a great extent without precedence elsewhere in the movie, which would take it into kitsch territory. Watchmen is a good movie, for what it is. Its also a good graphic novel. But they are not one in the same and they shouldn't be.
Also both are vastly overhyped.

Aug 13, 2010#77

Element 117

Half is too kind.

Aug 13, 2010#78

Covar

A well-done steak is cooked medium rare!

Aug 13, 2010#79

Troll

Covar said:
A well-done steak is cooked medium rare!

Covar is a heretic who must be burned at the stake.

Aug 13, 2010#80

sixpackshaker

Troll;427269][QUOTE=Covar said:
A well-done steak is cooked medium rare!

Covar is a heretic who must be burned at the stake.[/QUOTE]

Covar needs to be removed from the coals while he is still pink in the middle.

Aug 13, 2010#81

checkeredhat

Wait, I don't get it. Are you stating that medium rare is the best way to eat a steak, or are you saying that a well-done one is only medium rare to you and you need it cooked more?

Aug 13, 2010#82

PatrThom

Checkeredhat is asking a perfectly reasonable question

--Patrick

Aug 13, 2010#83

V.Bond

Collateral is the only good film Tom Cruise has starred in this decade.

Aug 13, 2010#84

The Lovely Boehner

Vagabond said:
Collateral is the only good film Tom Cruise has starred in this decade.

Knight & Day, MI:3, War of the Worlds, and Minority Report?

Aug 13, 2010#85

Philosopher B.

Dave;427158][QUOTE=sixpackshaker;427001][QUOTE=Disconnected said:
Stephen King stories are entertaining to read

I should hope so. I've read most and liked most of the ones that I've read.[/QUOTE]

Half of Stephen King's books are utter crap.[/QUOTE]

Which ones?

I own like thirty from booksales, but I've only read a couple ...

Aug 14, 2010#86

Troll

The Lovely Boner;427469][QUOTE=Vagabond said:
Collateral is the only good film Tom Cruise has starred in this decade.

Knight & Day, MI:3, War of the Worlds, and Minority Report?[/QUOTE]

Tropic Thunder?

Aug 14, 2010#87

checkeredhat

Troll;427502][QUOTE=Vagabond said:
Collateral is the only good film Tom Cruise has starred in this decade.

Tropic Thunder?[/QUOTE]
...

Vagabond said:
Collateral is the only good film Tom Cruise has starred in this decade.

Aug 14, 2010#88

Philosopher B.

Curious: Was War of the Worlds really that good? I might have to see it. At the time, I just dismissed it as a bland, big-budget modernization/Americanization of Wells' story to fill theatre seats. Which is probably unfair to Spielberg, but even so ...

Aug 14, 2010#89

checkeredhat

Philosopher B. said:
Curious: Was War of the Worlds really that good? I might have to see it. At the time, I just dismissed it as a bland, big-budget modernization/Americanization of Wells' story to fill theatre seats. Which is probably unfair to Spielberg, but even so ...

Aug 14, 2010#90

Silver Jelly

I keep reading "A thread for bald claims" and thinking for an instant what bald claims are until I realise it's the same old bold claims thread I'm always misreading.

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checkeredhat;427508][QUOTE=Philosopher B. said:
Curious: Was War of the Worlds really that good? I might have to see it. At the time, I just dismissed it as a bland, big-budget modernization/Americanization of Wells' story to fill theatre seats. Which is probably unfair to Spielberg, but even so ...

I know I'm in the minority here, but I really dug it. I thought it was great.

Most people I know hate it though. But I think that they hate it more for the plot, not the direction, and I mean, you can't go into a War of the Worlds remake and not know how it ends. Its freaking War of the Worlds. It may be a bit of a cop out, but you can't change the ending no matter what. That's what makes it War of the Worlds.[/QUOTE]

I felt it was a bad movie and a bad adaptation. It misses what I've always thought the point of the novel was, and that makes the "novel" ending pointless to me.

I smiled like a little kid when I watched the martians disintegrating people though. I don't know why that was, but I totally dug that scene.

Aug 14, 2010#91

checkeredhat

I've never read the novel or seen the old movie. So that puts me in a very different mindset. But most people I know have never read the novel or seen the original movie either, and their complaint whenever I mention that I liked it, is always the ending. Somehow they didn't know that was how WotW ends.

For the record though, my dad has read the novel and wathced the original movie back when he was younger, and he loved the Spielberg remake as well.

I definitely know more peopl who hate it than like it though.

Aug 14, 2010#92

Silver Jelly

checkeredhat said:
I've never read the novel or seen the old movie. So that puts me in a very different mindset. But most people I know have never read the novel or seen the original movie either, and their complaint whenever I mention that I liked it, is always the ending. Somehow they didn't know that was how WotW ends.

For the record though, my dad has read the novel and wathced the original movie back when he was younger, and he loved the Spielberg remake as well.

I definitely know more peopl who hate it than like it though.

Well, probably It didn't help that Wotw was one of the first "real" (not for children) novels I read, as it holds a very special place in my mind. And, of course, the point of the book for me may not be the same for other people! But I feel like Wells was changing "levels" of reality,

using the martians as "super colonial westerners"... defeated by the super low and super simple creatures of earth, virus and bacteria, representing the colonized "primitive" people. Of course, this was my later idea. When I was little, I simply saw this as a cautonary tale about being too proud to take small people on account just to find that was a fatal error.

But, of course, that's my take on the novel and not necessarily the general consensus.

Aug 14, 2010#93

PatrThom

Jeff Wayne > Tom Cruise

--Patrick

Aug 14, 2010#94

The Lovely Boehner

I have no idea who Jeff Wayne is, but Tom Cruise is a fantastic actor.

Aug 14, 2010#95

Shannow

THE EXPENDABLES IS MORE ENJOYABLE THAN SCOTT PILGRIM ....(barely)

Aug 14, 2010#96

PatrThom

I special ordered the 2-CD set just for Thunderchild. Plus I'm a big fan of the Moody Blues' work. The entire thing is massive, rich, and dripping with sound. If I put it in during some task, Brave New World will come in about the time I start to lag, and it'll pick me right back up again.

--Patrick

Aug 14, 2010#97

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
I've never read the novel or seen the old movie. So that puts me in a very different mindset. But most people I know have never read the novel or seen the original movie either, and their complaint whenever I mention that I liked it, is always the ending. Somehow they didn't know that was how WotW ends.

For the record though, my dad has read the novel and wathced the original movie back when he was younger, and he loved the Spielberg remake as well.

I definitely know more peopl who hate it than like it though.

The Spielberg version is basically a remake of the 50s version, which is a poor adaptation of the novel, but not a bad movie.

Aug 16, 2010#98

TwoBit

The Chronicles of Riddick was almost as good as Pitch Black.

Aug 16, 2010#99

Covar

New York will be playing in the Super Bowl this year.

Aug 16, 2010#100

sixpackshaker

Covar said:
New York will be playing in the Super Bowl this year.

Come on, the Jets don't have much of a chance.

Aug 16, 2010#101

Sparhawk

Covar said:
New York will be playing in the Super Bowl this year.

Why yes, New York will play at Cowboys stadium once this year. October 25 to be precise.

Aug 16, 2010#102

Troll

The Superbowl will be Oakland vs. Tampa Bay this year.

Aug 16, 2010#103

The Lovely Boehner

I was actually going to make a version of this for the upcoming NFL/NBA/Hockey season in the sports forums.

Aug 17, 2010#104

Rubicon

I really enjoyed Terminator Salvation, it was far better than Terminator 3 (but not as good as Terminator 2).

Aug 17, 2010#105

Covar

Frank Quitely is not a good artist

Aug 17, 2010#106

Espy

Covar said:
Frank Quitely is not a good artist

And here I thought I knew you.

Aug 17, 2010#107

Frankie Williamson

Covar said:
Frank Quitely is not a good artist

THE CYCLE MUST CONTINUE

Mark Bagely is not a good artist.

Aug 17, 2010#108

The Lovely Boehner

Bored to Death, Louie, Eastbound & Down, Treme, Rubicon, and Californication aren't watched by enough people.

Aug 17, 2010#109

sixpackshaker

The Lovely Boner said:
Bored to Death, Louie, Eastbound & Down, Treme, Rubicon, and Californication aren't watched by enough people.

Bored to Death, never heard of it.
Louie, I see the ads, but I thought it had not premiered yet.
Eastbound & Down? That is a Jerry Reed Song.
Treme, I saw something about it on an actor's Wikipedia page. Don't know the channel.
Rubicon, see Louie.
Californication, I don't pay for premium cable.

Aug 17, 2010#110

The Lovely Boehner

Not enough people are watching Bored to Death, Louie, Rubicon, Eastbound & Down, Treme, and Californication.

Aug 17, 2010#111

sixpackshaker

Get them off the pay stations? so more people will watch?

Aug 17, 2010#112

Espy

sixpackshaker said:
Get them off the pay stations? so more people will watch?

Yup. Make them available on Hulu and Netflix or something like that and BAM! Watch it change.

Aug 17, 2010#113

The Lovely Boehner

Amorous Eyes said:
Haven't heard of most of these. Rubicon sounds like yet another Numbers/Bones/Mentalist type show, oh and Californication is the one with that x-files dude, right? The only ad they keep showing is where he screws around a lot. I guess that's the premise of the show? They're really selling it! :yawn:

Rubicon is nothing like any of those shows. It's a moody spy thriller.

Californication is a black comedy about a sex addict writer anti-hero type and his family. Starring as you said David Duchovny.

While I'm at it-

Bored to Death stars Jason Schwartzmann, Zach Galifianakis, and Ted Danson. Schwartzmann is a writer who reacts to a break-up by becoming an unlicensed PI. Danson is a rich socialite stoner friend of his, and Galifianakis is his comic book artist best friend.

Eastbound & Down stars Kenny McBride as a white trash ex MLB pitcher trying to get back on top through any horrible means necessary. An episode climaxes with him throwing a ball at Craig Robinson's head and hitting him so hard that his eye flies out.

Louie is written by, directed by, and stars stand-up comedian Louis C.K. It is fucking hilarious and so far, FX has let him do whatever the fuck he wants. It is not very linear or plot-based, and just loosely connected comedy skits about his life.

Treme is made by David Simon, creator of The Wire. It is set several months after Katrina and is about people putting their lives together in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Aug 17, 2010#114

Troll

sixpackshaker said:
Get them off the pay stations? so more people will watch?

Aug 17, 2010#115

sixpackshaker

Troll;428617][QUOTE=sixpackshaker said:
Get them off the pay stations? so more people will watch?

If they weren't made by cable channels they wouldn't have the same freedom and budget to keep up the quality (especially the freedom). If they were web-only, not enough people would hear about them and the viewers would disappear.[/QUOTE]

That is pretty much my point. Have the premium channel, lose audience... But you can't do the quality anywhere else. AMC is doing pretty well, but who expects to watch AMC for anything other than B&W movies.

I always check my guide when I see color on that channel...

Aug 17, 2010#116

Baerdog

Since when does AMC shown black and white movies on a regular basis? It's been ages since that's been the case and since then TMC has done a superb job of picking up the slack.

Aug 17, 2010#117

The Lovely Boehner

sixpackshaker said:
That is pretty much my point. Have the premium channel, lose audience... But you can't do the quality anywhere else. AMC is doing pretty well, but who expects to watch AMC for anything other than B&W movies.

I always check my guide when I see color on that channel...

haha, what? AMC airs Catwoman for crissakes. It's a much different channel now.

Baerdog said:
Since when does AMC shown black and white movies on a regular basis? It's been ages since that's been the case and since then TMC has done a superb job of picking up the slack.

TCM(Turner Classic Movies) has no commercials and shows old movies on a regular basis. I admittedly have no clue what regularly shows on TMC (The Movie Channel).

Aug 17, 2010#118

Baerdog

Whoops, that was a typo on my part. I'd meant to type TCM.

Aug 17, 2010#119

Element 117

Aug 17, 2010#120

fade

Is californication somehow related to the movie of the same name also with Duchovny from circa 1996? I guess I could just google it.

Aug 17, 2010#121

wana10

Alan Moore is highly overrated.

Aug 17, 2010#122

sixpackshaker

wana10 said:
Alan Moore is highly overrated.

/dives for cover

Aug 17, 2010#123

Espy

I just ordered General Tso's chicken AND an order of Salt and Pepper Shrimp. I WILL EAT ALL OF IT! For today, I HUNGER!

Aug 17, 2010#124

Sparhawk

Espy said:
I just ordered General Tso's chicken AND an order of Salt and Pepper Shrimp. I WILL EAT ALL OF IT! For today, I HUNGER!

Shouldn't this be in more of an Epic Win thread.... at least that's the way I look at it. My personal would be Hot & Spicy Chicken and some PF Chang's Combination Fried Rice. Oh nom nom nom nom nom...

Aug 17, 2010#125

Espy

It's a bold claim because I really have my doubts I will be able to eat both of them but dammit, those dishes will know they were in a battle when I'm done with them. Also, I might be dead.

Aug 17, 2010#126

Sparhawk

Espy said:
It's a bold claim because I really have my doubts I will be able to eat both of them but dammit, those dishes will know they were in a battle when I'm done with them. Also, I might be dead.

"You can do eeet!"

Aug 17, 2010#127

Espy

I'm working on it right now!

Aug 17, 2010#128

phil

Sparhawk;428726][QUOTE=Espy said:
It's a bold claim because I really have my doubts I will be able to eat both of them but dammit, those dishes will know they were in a battle when I'm done with them. Also, I might be dead.

"You can do eat!"[/QUOTE]

.

Aug 17, 2010#129

Disconnected

the Penny Arcade comic is not really that funny.

Aug 18, 2010#130

gargoyle_eva

Disconnected said:
the Penny Arcade comic is not really that funny.

See I used to think this, until I started reading with less of a this must be funny mindset and more of a political style cartoon/comic. I found it much more enjoyable that way. It gets me laughing alot more than some other webcomics these days.

Aug 18, 2010#131

The Lovely Boehner

I don't enjoy Penny Arcade that much because I also don't really do the whole video game thing.

Aug 18, 2010#132

Covar

Frank;428567][QUOTE=Covar said:
Frank Quitely is not a good artist

THE CYCLE MUST CONTINUE

Mark Bagely is not a good artist.[/QUOTE]

You know the difference between a Frank Quitely comic and a Mark Bagley comic? 3 weeks and a missed deadline.

Aug 18, 2010#133

checkeredhat

Crash Bandicoot: Warped is (still) a good game.

Aug 18, 2010#134

Piotyr

Scott Pilgrim vs. the World is the most fun movie I've seen in years.

Aug 18, 2010#135

Reboneer

checkeredhat said:
Crash Bandicoot: Warped is (still) a good game.

This is true. However:

Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back is (still) a better game.

Aug 25, 2010#136

Frankie Williamson

Rescue Me is one of the most realistic shows on TV.

when it comes to the relationships between guys in that sort of job (and even the rivalry between cops and firefighters). Everything else, not so much.

Aug 25, 2010#137

Math242

Tommy Gavin is badass yet the biggest fucking idiot on TV.

Aug 25, 2010#138

checkeredhat

Frank said:
Rescue Me is one of the most realistic shows on TV.

when it comes to the relationships between guys in that sort of job (and even the rivalry between cops and firefighters). Everything else, not so much.

The rivalry between cops and firefighters is funny, because its one of those things everyone kinda thinks probably exists, but you're somewhat surprised to learn it actually does.
My dad really dislikes Toronto cops.

Aug 25, 2010#139

The Lovely Boehner

Is that the same thing as the stuff between the different branches of the military?

Aug 25, 2010#140

Reboneer

The Seinfeld finale is actually not that bad.

Aug 25, 2010#141

checkeredhat

The Lovely Boner said:
Is that the same thing as the stuff between the different branches of the military?

Or Surgeons and medical doctors

Aug 25, 2010#142

The Lovely Boehner

Reboneer said:
The Seinfeld finale is actually not that bad.

It's a fucking clip show

Aug 25, 2010#143

fade

Seinfeld wasn't very funny.

In fact, until I met my wife who is from NY near the city, I didn't get half the NY-Centric jokes. The rest of the jokes are the kind your mildly humorous roomie cracks off the cuff. Yes, I know that's the point, but why watch a show about it?

Aug 25, 2010#144

Baerdog

Seinfeld is fucking hilarious.

Aug 25, 2010#145

V.Bond

Clint Eastwood's directing credentials are superior to his acting ones.

Aug 25, 2010#146

Reboneer

The Lovely Boner;431417][QUOTE=Reboneer said:
The Seinfeld finale is actually not that bad.

It's a fucking clip show[/QUOTE]

The character witness segment (the supposed clip show part) goes for about 11 minutes, out of a 55 minute finale. Of the eighteen character witnesses shown, only eight had clips played, lasting a total of less than three minutes. That's right, less than three minutes of the supposed clip show were clips.

I love that they spent the first half of the finale mocking the ridiculous speculation about how the show would end, as well as poking fun at finales in general. Is it going to be about them finally making their TV show? Are they going to do the "international vacation episode" that so many other sitcoms do? Are they all going to die in a fiery wreck? Are Elaine and Jerry finally going to get back together? It was basically mocking the audience, which some people took exception to, but I found it hilarious.

Then it spent the second half pointing out that the main characters have been enormous assholes for the entire series. At the time the finale aired, this was actually the most common complaint about it. Apparently the average idiot viewer either didn't realise, or didn't like the idea that he'd been watching a show about four pretty horrible people (see: the reaction to The Invitations).

That sums up most of the main complaints about the finale, and most of them are complete bullshit. I'm not saying it was the greatest episode of the series or anything, but it was a solid episode, and it bugs me that it gets such a bad rap.

Aug 25, 2010#147

Disconnected

Mark Hamill is not the best joker.

(i'm too lazy to check if anyone said this.)

Aug 25, 2010#148

strawman

Disconnected said:
Mark Hamill is not the best joker.

(i'm too lazy to check if anyone said this.)

Are you saying the only good Joker is a dead Joker?

(sorry, I couldn't resist...)

Aug 25, 2010#149

Disconnected

Nope.

past portrayals have elements of a 'great' joker but none has gotten everything absolutely correct.
I find hamill's voice for it too... animated, which perfectly suits the medium for which he started doing the voice for but not which I think suits the overall character.

Aug 25, 2010#150

fade

On that note...

I found Ledger/Nolan's Joker a boring portrayal.

He wasn't a Joker. There was no mirth, humor, or punchline. He was a nihilistic sociopath straight from any action or thriller movie from the 1990s. He smelled like the 90s. The only thing that distinguished him as the Joker from those cats was the makeup.

Aug 26, 2010#151

Silver Jelly

fade said:
On that note...

I found Ledger/Nolan's Joker a boring portrayal.

He wasn't a Joker. There was no mirth, humor, or punchline. He was a nihilistic sociopath straight from any action or thriller movie from the 1990s. He smelled like the 90s. The only thing that distinguished him as the Joker from those cats was the makeup.

He did have the pencil joke. I laughed and felt horrified from laughing at the same time, and I feel that's perfect for the joker!

Aug 26, 2010#152

The Lovely Boehner

Nolan's Joker had tons of black humor jokes. Making the three thugs fight to the death, the bomb inside the scitzophrenic person, telling Batman the wrong addresses, the nurse's outfit, the boat bombs set-up.

Aug 26, 2010#153

fade

Those weren't jokes. They were mind games. Also something every 90s sociopath villain did.

---------- Post added at 01:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:28 PM ----------

I'm not saying it was a bad movie or a bad portrayal. I enjoyed the movie. I just didn't think he was the Joker. I'm not saying that to be contrary, I'm saying it because he didn't groove with the Joker image, which while a little mercurial over the decades, always had the batshit-loopy-finding death and destruction funny element to it. Ledger felt more like a goth dude.

Aug 26, 2010#154

Covar

Tim Burton's Batman movies were not good movies

Aug 26, 2010#155

The Lovely Boehner

Covar said:
Tim Burton's Batman movies were not good movies

I concur.

Aug 26, 2010#156

Frankie Williamson

The first one I love. The cheesiness, the soundtrack, the mood, even Michael Keaton.

The second one, not so much.

Aug 26, 2010#157

Element 117

Everyone else's opinion sucks.

going meta here.

Aug 26, 2010#158

MindDetective

I'll go with conflicting message:

All claims that I make are specious.

Aug 26, 2010#159

fade

Billie Jean is still one of the most awesome music videos ever produced.

Aug 26, 2010#160

Fun Size

What's more, Billy Jean was his lover, and the kid was, in fact, his son!

Aug 26, 2010#161

Hylian

Birds suck as pets

Aug 26, 2010#162

Piotyr

fade said:
Billie Jean is still one of the most awesome music videos ever produced.

Smooth Criminal is the most awesome music video ever produced.

Aug 26, 2010#163

strawman

Everyone likes this song:

Aug 26, 2010#164

Shannow

The Lovely Boner said:
Not enough people are watching Bored to Death, Louie, Rubicon, Eastbound & Down, Treme, and Californication.

this is true, and the replies to this statement made me die a little on the inside.

Aug 26, 2010#165

The Lovely Boehner

Piotyr;431825][QUOTE=fade said:
Billie Jean is still one of the most awesome music videos ever produced.

Smooth Criminal is the most awesome music video ever produced.[/QUOTE]

Smooth Criminal isn't even MJ's best video, child please

Aug 26, 2010#166

V.Bond

Road to Perdition is the best comic book to film adaptation.

Sep 4, 2010#167

Disconnected

Ballad of Serenity is a horrible song

Sep 4, 2010#168

figmentPez

Chex Quest is one of the best advergames ever made

Sep 4, 2010#169

strawman

New England clam chowder is the only clam chowder worth mentioning.

Sep 4, 2010#170

R

Raemon777

Chex Quest is one of the best advergames ever made

OMG I loved that game!

Sep 5, 2010#171

Baerdog

figmentPez said:
Chex Quest is one of the best advergames ever made

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
New England clam chowder is the only clam chowder worth mentioning.

A hearty agreement on both counts!

Sep 6, 2010#172

fade

I watched Robin Hood prince of Thieves for the first time since it was new last night on BBC-A.

A) It was pretty bad. Overloud, bland music. Odd echo insertions. Tired, boring shot framing. Really? The most dramatic shot you can do for a quarterstaff fight on rushing water is a wide shot? Bleh.

B) Kevin Costner literally sounded like he was reading every line. It was like watching an audiobook.

Sep 6, 2010#173

The Lovely Boehner

A) Is that a bold claim? That movie is pretty much widely regarded as a huge pile of shit.

B) "Fuck me, he cleared it!"

Sep 6, 2010#174

PatrThom

Duke Nukem Forever will totally have been worth the wait

--Patrick

Sep 6, 2010#175

Calleja

The greatest contribution to humanity Bob Dylan had was giving The Beatles a joint.

Fact.

Sep 6, 2010#176

wana10

The companion cube was just another weighted cube.

Sep 6, 2010#177

Baerdog

You are on notice.

Sep 6, 2010#178

wana10

psh, on notice for being awesome maybe

Sep 6, 2010#179

Sparhawk

Super Mario Bros 3 is the greatest game of all time.

Sep 6, 2010#180

HCGLNS

People who don't love Coca-Cola are slimy twinkle-toed communist cocksuckers.

Sep 7, 2010#181

Philosopher B.

mr_thehun said:
PVP is the best newspaper comic of all time.

Lol!

Sep 25, 2010#182

Reboneer

The Office should have ended after season 3.

Sep 25, 2010#183

General Specific

South Carolina vs Auburn is the College Football Game of the Week

Sep 26, 2010#184

checkeredhat

Firefly is as good as I was previously led to believe.

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