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Fallout 4 - Power Armors for EVERYONE!

Jul 17, 2015#1

Jay

And there we go........

Jul 19, 2015#2

AshburnerX

Not much to get excited over yet. Too early.

Probably still gonna get it Day 1 though.

Jul 19, 2015#3

Hailey Knight

I wasn't gonna pre-order, but this thread convinced me. Thanks, Jay.

Jul 19, 2015#4

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
I wasn't gonna pre-order, but this thread convinced me. Thanks, Jay.

Jul 20, 2015#5

sixpackshaker

I may have to take a week off in November.

Jul 20, 2015#6

bhamv3

Huge Fallout fan here. Still going to wait for the GotY edition to go on sale for 75% off on Steam before getting it.

Being financially responsible sucks.

Jul 20, 2015#7

Ravenpoe

Alright, that's it... time to finally give A Tale of Two Wastelands a try.

Who wants to suggest what other mods should go with it?

Jul 20, 2015#8

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
Alright, that's it... time to finally give A Tale of Two Wastelands a try.

Who wants to suggest what other mods should go with it?

Project Nevada works well with TTW, though you're going to want one of the compatibility patches from the TTW website, because PN and TTW's weapons overlap somewhat. So, for example, if you don't use a compatibility patch, you'll end up with two versions of the Dart Gun, with different properties.

Jul 22, 2015#9

Jay

I booked that week's Thursday and Friday off. Not Wednesday, I fully expect a Bethesda Day 1 Patch to fix stupid shit.

I remember New Vegas, until the patch came out, I couldn't use the tactical shooting system, everything was 0%. lol

Jul 22, 2015#10

Ravenpoe

Jay said:
I booked that week's Thursday and Friday off. Not Wednesday, I fully expect a Bethesda Day 1 Patch to fix stupid shit.

I remember New Vegas, until the patch came out, I couldn't use the tactical shooting system, everything was 0%. lol

While Bethesda is certainly the same way, New Vegas was Obsidian, not Bethesda.

Jul 22, 2015#11

Jay

Won't take chances, not gonna dick around the first day.

Jul 23, 2015#12

Hailey Knight

Skyrim was fine on Day 1.

Jul 23, 2015#13

Dave

Is there any way this game WON'T be magnificent?

I'm pre-ordering tonight. This is one of the few franchises I will pre-order from.

Jul 23, 2015#14

Frank

Ravenpoe said:
While Bethesda is certainly the same way, New Vegas was Obsidian, not Bethesda.

Bethesda did the QA.

Jul 23, 2015#15

Bubble181

Both Bethesda and Obsidian have horrible, horrible track records for games as far as technical stability is concerned on day one. Good games, mind, and usually patched up at least somewhat (I guess both KOTOR games are too long ago to keep on griping by now

) but I can't imagine ever pre-ordering from either of them. Next you'll expect EA to do a launch with enough authentication servers!

Jul 23, 2015#16

Ravenpoe

Bubble181 said:
I guess both KOTOR games are too long ago to keep on griping by now

Obsidian only did KOTOR2. KOTOR was Bioware.

I'm just going to spend this whole thread pointing out developers

Jul 23, 2015#17

bhamv3

Hey, remember when Valve made Half-Life, Blue Shift, and Opposing Force?

Jul 23, 2015#18

Ravenpoe

bhamv3 said:
Hey, remember when Valve made Half-Life, Blue Shift, and Opposing Force?

Jul 23, 2015#19

Bubble181

Ravenpoe said:
Obsidian only did KOTOR2. KOTOR was Bioware.

I'm just going to spend this whole thread pointing out developers

I'm aware. Now you tell me, which one had more launch issues

Jul 23, 2015#20

bhamv3

Hey, remember when 3D Realms made Duke Nukem 3D and Duke Nukem Forever?

Jul 23, 2015#21

Bubble181

bhamv3 said:
Hey, remember when 3D Realms made Duke Nukem 3D and Duke Nukem Forever?

That was around the time Blizzard made Command & Conquer, right?

Jul 23, 2015#22

Frank

bhamv3 said:
Hey, remember when 3D Realms made Duke Nukem 3D and Duke Nukem Forever?

To be fair, they did like 95% of the work on Forever.

Jul 23, 2015#23

bhamv3

Hey, remember when id Software made Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, and Quake 4?[DOUBLEPOST=1437662529,1437662289][/DOUBLEPOST]Hey, remember when Infinity Ward made CoD: World at War, Black Ops, and Ghosts?[DOUBLEPOST=1437662630][/DOUBLEPOST]Hey, remember when SimTex made Master of Orion, Master of Orion 2, and Master of Orion 3?[DOUBLEPOST=1437662674][/DOUBLEPOST]I think I broke Ravenpoe.

Jul 23, 2015#24

Bubble181

Nope, but I do remember Rocksteady's smash hit "Arkham Origins".

Jul 23, 2015#25

Ravenpoe

Jul 23, 2015#26

Dave

Ravenpoe said:
Alright, that's it... time to finally give A Tale of Two Wastelands a try.

Who wants to suggest what other mods should go with it?

I can't get this to work. Fallout 3 does not play well with Win7 and I haven't been able to get it to work.

Jul 23, 2015#27

bhamv3

Dave said:
I can't get this to work. Fallout 3 does not play well with Win7 and I haven't been able to get it to work.

TTW runs in New Vegas though. It basically converts all the Fallout 3 content into one big New Vegas mod, so that you're playing in the New Vegas engine but can visit the Fallout 3 areas. It's actually one of the more common suggestions for getting Fallout 3 to be playable on Windows 7.

What's been going wrong with getting TTW to work?

Jul 23, 2015#28

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I can't get this to work. Fallout 3 does not play well with Win7 and I haven't been able to get it to work.

I'm using Win 7. I chose this purely because Fallout 3 always acted wonky, so using the mod allows me to play it in the much more win7 friendly New Vegas engine.

Oct 9, 2015#29

sixpackshaker

Well the specs are out. And I will HAVE to buy a video card. I hate that evga will make more money off this game than Bethesda.

Oct 9, 2015#30

Jay

31 more days.....

Oct 10, 2015#31

PatrThom

sixpackshaker said:
Well the specs are out. And I will HAVE to buy a video card. I hate that evga will make more money off this game than Bethesda.

Can get the R9 380 4GB/GTX 960 4GB cards for just over $200, that looks like your target price. I wouldn't buy anything "new" < 4GB or < DX12 at this point.

--Patrick

Nov 7, 2015#32

sixpackshaker

The game is downloading, even as I type. It has only taken 9 hours so far. Likely another hour to go.

I wonder how much Cheetos and Diet Mt Dew I will need to buy.

Nov 7, 2015#33

Terrik

It's still not playable for 3 days right.

Nov 7, 2015#34

sixpackshaker

Right. Pre-Downloading. I got so mad with Skyrim, I bought the physical copy tried installing right at midnight on launch then had to wait 5 hours to download the real game from steam. So I just buy games from steam now, and hope the pre-download works so I can stay up late and make my face on the first day.[DOUBLEPOST=1446905249,1446905169][/DOUBLEPOST]I would normally take the week off for a staycation and play the game, but I am in the middle of a HUGE project at work. At least I get Vet's Day off.

Nov 7, 2015#35

Ravenpoe

sixpackshaker said:
Right. Pre-Downloading. I got so mad with Skyrim, I bought the physical copy tried installing right at midnight on launch then had to wait 5 hours to download the real game from steam. So I just buy games from steam now, and hope the pre-download works so I can stay up late and make my face on the first day.[DOUBLEPOST=1446905249,1446905169][/DOUBLEPOST]I would normally take the week off for a staycation and play the game, but I am in the middle of a HUGE project at work. At least I get Vet's Day off.

My new computer doesn't even have an optical drive.

Nov 7, 2015#36

PatrThom

Ravenpoe said:
My new computer doesn't even have an optical drive.

My two newest computers still have optical drives, but they're probably the last ones I'll buy/build/whatever that do.

--Patrick

Nov 7, 2015#37

Frank

I still bring home work on DVD, so I use mine all the time.

Nov 7, 2015#38

AshburnerX

I keep an optical drive around because I have archives of stuff on CD still and I don't want to go through it all and organize it.

Nov 7, 2015#39

Dave

I took Tuesday off. [emoji2]

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Nov 7, 2015#40

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I took Tuesday off. [emoji2]

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Whelp, there goes the launch, Dave took Tuesday off. See you all Wednesday when everything's working again.

Nov 7, 2015#41

Gruebeard

Dave said:
I took Tuesday off. [emoji2]

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

My buddy booked all of next week off. Although in the meantime he's decided he's got way too many games on Steam still unplayed. I think he's gone finally get around to playing Borderlands 2.

Me. I'm kinda done with video games for now. Maybe for good.

But this was the game that I would've been waiting for.

Nov 8, 2015#42

Squidleybits

I'm going to ask Santa @HCGLNS for this

Nov 9, 2015#43

bhamv3

Reviews are coming in.

Long story short, it's a Bethesda game. Great exploration and world building, but there are some technical issues and glitches.

Nov 9, 2015#44

Dave

So a buddy of mine has a son turning 16 today. But since my friend was out of work for over a year, things are still pretty tight. He asked if someone could send his son cards. Instead, says I, I'll buy him Fallout 4. So I did. And then I found out someone else already did.

So...I have an extra copy. So my question is: Should I find someone here who wants it and give it away or should I make it the prize in a contest in honor of North_Ranger?

Nov 9, 2015#45

Cog

Do a contest or give it to me. Whatever you think is best

Nov 9, 2015#46

Frank

To no one's surprise, the main story is trite and barely there, the characters are bland as is the writing but there's lots and lots of stuff to do.

Bethesda!

Nov 9, 2015#47

Dave

Think I'll give it to Cog. We'll keep the Mikko remembrance day for Mikko.

Nov 9, 2015#48

Cog

Thank you. I really appreciate it. But as I said in the PM, I was joking. There are a lot of forumites that deserve the game more than a lurker like me.

Nov 9, 2015#49

Bubble181

Cog said:
Thank you. I really appreciate it. But as I said in the PM, I was joking. There are a lot of forumites that deserve the game more than a lurker like me.

Meh, 500 messages later you're not really a lurker

I wouldn't mind some sort of contest, but I would mind it going to someone who's not really interested - that'd be a shame. I may pick up FO4 eventually, in two or three years, on a Steam sale at -75% - but I honestly wouldn't want it now. If you're genuinely enthusiastic and want to play it, why not? Dave can post a sticky asking for those who're really into it but haven't been able to buy it for some reason and raffle it out between those, I guess. but you'd still be one of the candidates

Nov 9, 2015#50

Cog

The truth is I do want it. I just feel bad about it. I already got assassins creed from Dave.

Nov 9, 2015#51

Bubble181

I can understand that. So just ask yourself:
a) is there someone else who you think would really deserve it more and would want it as much/more? If so, point him/her out. If not...why not accept it?
b) would you have bought it yourself, if not for this? Eventually? If so, when? At -33%? At -50%? So reimburse Dave for that much. If he won't accept it, you can donate that much to a good cause. Considering the topic, perhaps Child's Play or something.
c) is there some other way you could feel less guilty, or "give back" to Dave/the community here? Do something for someone, make something, whatever? Heck, if you feel up to it (etc), how about making a Let's Play or so out of it, on here, like Tin's done with KSP, GasBandit's done with Space Engineers, others have done with Alien, Left for Dead, ....

Nov 9, 2015#52

bhamv3

The list of names Codsworth will say has apparently been uncovered, though I don't know if it's accurate.

http://hastebin.com/raw/eziriberin

Some interesting names on there. I see KalEl, LangLois, Markiepoo, Moonves, Nourmohammadi, Purkeypile...

Nov 9, 2015#53

Necronic

Look at all you filthy casuals unwilling to set up a vpn and get the game early.

Anyways been playing for about 4 hours now. So far my impressions (no real spoilers but just in case):

-The intro is rock solid, like most Bethesda games. Very interesting beginning. Don't know enough of the story to say anything about its quality yet.

-weapon crafting/modding seems fairly interesting. Upgrades are often lateral. You can turn something into a machine gun or a sniper rifle.

-there is a base building mechanic to this one that seems really interesting. Don't know enough about it yet to say more.

-All that random crap you could pick up in the last few games is important for both of these.

-melee seems more fleshed out. Blocking is an option but doesn't feel right to me.

-the inventory/UI is god damned terrible. No big surprise there. I have yet to see a Bethesda game that does this well. In this case though it's a bit more problematic since you really do need it for crafting base management.

-Power armor isn't what you are used to. I think they made a really interesting choice with this. I'll leave it at that.

-enemies seem a bit more clever.

Anyways. Game is already crazy addictive. Here's hoping I don't get my steam account suspended for unlocking early on vpn

Nov 9, 2015#54

sixpackshaker

Now I wait, with bated breath and Cheetos stained fingers.

Nov 10, 2015#55

sixpackshaker

Man, this game runs at higher settings than New Vegas. It is really beautiful. More tonight.

Nov 10, 2015#56

Dei

Nov 10, 2015#57

Necronic

I think the lack of posts since release is telling.

Nov 10, 2015#58

Bubble181

Necronic said:
I think the lack of posts since release is telling.

Everyone is fondly remember their anticipation, and cursing at the install problems and crashes and mess of bugs they have to live with, yet dare not come here and complain? :troll:

Nov 10, 2015#59

Frank

I'm not having any issues.

Nov 10, 2015#60

Bubble181

Frank said:
I'm not having any issues.

Most people are fine, apparently. If te smiley was not enough indication, I was joking.

Nov 10, 2015#61

Ravenpoe

I fucking love the new way power armor is done. At first, I was a little surprised that you don't need to acquire any training to use it first, the way you need to do in all the other games, but since your character is a former soldier, I assume he's simply already had that training.

Nov 10, 2015#62

Dave

Played until 2 am last night, got up at 6 and have been at it since.

Great game. So far no real glitches. I ran into one, but as soon as I changed the viewpoint it fixed itself.

Nov 10, 2015#63

Frank

Dave said:
Played until 2 am last night, got up at 6 and have been at it since.

Great game. So far no real glitches. I ran into one, but as soon as I changed the viewpoint it fixed itself.

Disappearing weapon/pipboy? That's happened to me too, just switching viewpoints fixed it for me too.

I just spent two hours clearing literally everything I could from Sanctuary.

Nov 10, 2015#64

Hailey Knight

Played for four hours tonight. I didn't do any base-building or main storyline; just picked a direction and started exploring.

The weather is interesting.

Started getting damaged by a yellow cloud and thought it was an area unsafe to enter. Then it kept moving, across where I was, where I'd been, and every lightning flash zapped me with more Rad damage. I ended up fast traveling away. So yeah, be warned--there are roaming radiation storms.

Cleared a raider hideout, standard stuff. Love the modding, and that I can equip armor over normal clothes.

Saw a couple feral ghouls and tested out my self-made sniper rifle. They went down and I went to inspect. Then five more crawled out of the woodwork and chased me through the woods like a scene from Walking Dead. I barely got out of that alive.

Nov 10, 2015#65

Bowielee

Just played a little over an hour today. The opening is far better than any of the previous fallout games.

Haven't had any issues other than Cogsworth getting momentarily stuck on some terrain in a house. The auto detect put my settings to ultra, so thank you new graphics card

Nov 10, 2015#66

Frank

I have an older graphics card and it did the same for me. Still runs real well. Still rocking the ole 2500k, which may go down as the best workhorse gaming processor of all time.

I spent like 2 hours clearing EVERYTHING out of Sanctuary.

Nov 10, 2015#67

Hailey Knight

I got stuck on a piece of junk, but a fast travel solved that.

Shit's gonna happen; the world is too big and full for it to run perfect.

Nov 10, 2015#68

Frank

I'm a little mad I couldn't clear all the non-destroyed houses out too.

Nov 10, 2015#69

Necronic

I' really curious how shops and whatnot work out. I'm currently working towards local leader so I can get that up.

Only complaint I have right now is that the defense turrets seem a bit overpowered. I feel like they should require power or something.

Nov 11, 2015#70

Far

Good times.

Nov 11, 2015#71

LordRendar

So, wonky start to my Fallout experience. Arrived around 10 PM at home,with a fresh retail copy of Fallout 4. I usually buy over Steam but I wanted the Poster. Then I notice that I neglected to install a CD-R drive in my new PC. So I went down into the cellar to remove the drive from my old pc.
I then pull my PC out from under my desk and hear a light snap. The HDMI cable got ripped out of its socket. It is 11PM. No Fallout and no TV since everything is connected to it.
In the morning I walk to the nearest electronics store buy a new cable. Pop in the CD, start the install, see the Steam Logo, sinking feeling in my gut. Jep, there is only 5.2 GB of data on the CD. Guess I can play it in 6 hours.

Nov 11, 2015#72

Hailey Knight

I need gifs for some of the animations, like when you successfully pull off a charisma attempt.

Nov 11, 2015#73

Dave

Zero Esc said:
I need gifs for some of the animations, like when you successfully pull off a charisma attempt.

I wouldn't know. My charisma sucks.

So does my character's.

Nov 11, 2015#74

Soupy

Waiting for good pay day to hit so I can pick this up!

Nov 11, 2015#75

Cog

Last night I finally finished downloading this game. Everything went right the first ten seconds until I realized that the game was dubbed in european spanish. I had to download 2 gb more for the game to be in english. Anyone knows how to change the default language of steam games without changing the interface?

Nov 11, 2015#76

Ravenpoe

LordRendar said:
Pop in the CD, start the install, see the Steam Logo, sinking feeling in my gut. Jep, there is only 5.2 GB of data on the CD. Guess I can play it in 6 hours.

Well, I mean, that's about how much data fits on a DVD...

Nov 11, 2015#77

Jay

Good game, stable... shit controls. Had to change some mouse settings in the ini file. Made it great.

Also, GG Bethesda for making keybinds we can't change anywhere... reserving the entire numpad for weapons... SINCE WHEN IS 1 to 9 not good enough? ffs.

Glovepie helps but ich, these console peasants man,

Nov 11, 2015#78

Hailey Knight

The controls are kind of weird on the console, too. Some of the menu navigation takes getting used to.

Wish I could tear down all the houses in Sanctuary and start completely fresh.

Nov 11, 2015#79

Jay

Why are some keys hard coded though? E and R in particular. I'm a left handed gamer.

How are games still fighting this issue in 2015?

Sloppy.

Nov 12, 2015#80

Frank

Zero Esc said:
The controls are kind of weird on the console, too. Some of the menu navigation takes getting used to.

Wish I could tear down all the houses in Sanctuary and start completely fresh.

I was just bitching about the same thing.

Also, for some more complaining, how God damn hard would it have been to include some new music in the radio stations? New Vegas got some new music, why is it almost the exact same soundtrack as Fallout 3?

Here is the complete Codsworth name list:
http://nerdist.com/fallout-4s-codsworth-can-say-furiosa-katniss-and-almost-1000-other-names/

Franke, but not Frank? FUCK OFF.

Nov 12, 2015#81

Frank

Not enough adhesive in the world to meet my growing glue needs.

Nov 12, 2015#82

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
Not enough adhesive in the world to meet my growing glue needs.

Save it for the just had sex thread and try to keep this thread on topic.

I ended up restarting my character after looking at the Endurance tree. Then I decided to go apeshit and plow points into only Endurance, Intelligence, and Luck, leaving everything else at 1. I've always wanted to play one of these as min/max and never went ahead with it. Now's the time.

Nov 12, 2015#83

Dave

Frank said:
Not enough adhesive in the world to meet my growing glue needs.

You can grow your own adhesive. Cook vegetable starch with corn, tato, muttfruit, and purified water.

If you find a place that wants to buy muttfruit DON'T DO IT! They give you 2 caps. You're better off planting them yourself.

Nov 12, 2015#84

Necronic

One thing I just recently realized is that when I am looking at my inventory (or at a store) I can hit left or right and it will show me subcategories of my inventory, like armor or weapons. Has made inventory management a lot easier.

Nov 13, 2015#85

Hailey Knight

So if we trigger NPCs to head to Sanctuary before it's ready, do you need to drop everything and scramble to set it up? Or are they okay to rough it for a while?

Nov 13, 2015#86

Dave

I haven't had Sanctuary invaded so I don't know. Just make some good defenses and you'll be fine.

I scrapped my first game and started over yesterday. My charisma wasn't high enough to have the perk that lets you set up trade routes, which are almost necessary in this game. I was walking around very slowly because I was always overburdened and this is going to allow me to have my workbenches synced. Have a bunch of stuff in one and want it to be used in Sanctuary? Fine. Without the trade route you're just screwed unless you load everything up and start walking. Slowly.

Nov 13, 2015#87

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I haven't had Sanctuary invaded so I don't know. Just make some good defenses and you'll be fine.

I scrapped my first game and started over yesterday. My charisma wasn't high enough to have the perk that lets you set up trade routes, which are almost necessary in this game. I was walking around very slowly because I was always overburdened and this is going to allow me to have my workbenches synced. Have a bunch of stuff in one and want it to be used in Sanctuary? Fine. Without the trade route you're just screwed unless you load everything up and start walking. Slowly.

Man, one of my favorite moments in Fallout New Vegas was during one of the DLC's, it was the one where you went to the casino resort (Dead Money, I think) and you go through all these quests to get into the vault and find the gold. And then there's far too much gold for you to carry, and you have to make an escape before it blows up, and it's supposed to force you to leave behind the treasure so you can live.

I loaded all 5000 pounds of gold in my backpack and slowly, very slowly, crawled out of the vault, using every cheesy method I could to cut corners and make it out with just a fraction of a second to spare. And then crawled back to the mainland, and crawled through the desert, dragging behind me that huge sack of gold. It took forever, but eventually I made it to my safehouse and was able to store it all. I'm rich, bitch!

Of course, then it became a challenge to find someone that could afford to buy even one gold bar from me... but that's another challenge.

Nov 13, 2015#88

Dave

Day 3: I was sneaking to some settlement to help them out when I came upon a [spoiler place redacted] that had been taken over by bandits. I cleared them out and got some good loot but when I exited back into the Wasteland there was some sort of strange storm that dosed me with radiation. At first I thought I'd take some Rad-X and make a break for it, but every time the lightning flashed I'd be hit with so much radiation it would either give me cancer or cure what cancer I had. Or mutate me with another head or something.

Finally I gave up and went back inside until it blew over. Gotta watch out for these storms. If I was ever caught in the open I don't think I'd survive.

Nov 13, 2015#89

Hailey Knight

I'm okay with using Fast Travel. I avoided it in Skyrim, but that was because that was Fantasy Wilderness Simulator for me. Won't hurt my Fallout immersion.

Nov 13, 2015#90

AshburnerX

I kind of dig the Base Building aspect of FO4, but I don't really see the point. Why wouldn't I do this in the GECK instead?

Also, you feel really underpowered starting out.

Nov 14, 2015#91

Dave

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY DO NOT GO INTO SWAN'S POND!!!

Nov 14, 2015#92

Far

Cambridge spoilers - though just about a particular building there that so far hasn't affected the main story.

Get all the way through the Kendall Hospital, clearing level after level of raider. Get to another drop to the next floor, see some bodies in a cage and thinking nothing more of it, I drop down. THUMP...THUMP...THUMP..legendary deathclaw comes waltzing around the corner.

Deathclaw are scary in the open wasteland, but a trapped one, without any means of escape, confined there with it until either you or it are dead, that's true fear. No way back up, no way out, proceed to getdecapitated. Re-load, this time I toss a few bottlecap and frag mines down before I jump on top of one of the cages. Deathclaw still manages to reach me and pummel me into oblivion.

Enough time has passed during all the set up this load time and the music changes.

I did the same dropping of the mines while the song slowly builds, because I'm stubborn and stupid and want to try it one last time. I wait for the song to just about crescendo and jump down. He sees me, charges and as soon as he enters the room walks right into a bottlecap mine. It must have crit or something because this time he explodes into a bloody mess but doesn't quite die so he's chasing me round and round the room as I run backwards and unload into him. I just manage to eek out a win on him at the last second as the song closes. Easily my favourite moment.

Nov 14, 2015#93

Hailey Knight

Be careful in the middle north, just past the lake near the nothern map border. I tried going towards a weird rectangle on my radar, only to have super mutants charging after me. Ended up having to reload because even though I did win, I'd wasted most of my aid and ammo.

I think I'm going to use my next perk to upgrade scrounger.

Nov 14, 2015#94

jwhouk

So - no one's tried the Fenway Park mod yet?

Nov 14, 2015#95

Dave

I have 0 mods loaded and probably won't until Steam opens their Workshop. I'll play the game all the way through without them first.

Although I do have a confession. I hate hate HATE building stuff. So when I have to I usually turn it on God mode and build whatever the fuck I want since it takes no materials when you do it that way. I don't cheat any other time but when it comes to building up my settlements I will cheat every time. Because it sucks and is nothing more than busy work.

Nov 14, 2015#96

AshburnerX

Dave said:
I have 0 mods loaded and probably won't until Steam opens their Workshop. I'll play the game all the way through without them first.

Although I do have a confession. I hate hate HATE building stuff. So when I have to I usually turn it on God mode and build whatever the fuck I want since it takes no materials when you do it that way. I don't cheat any other time but when it comes to building up my settlements I will cheat every time. Because it sucks and is nothing more than busy work.

At least they have some mercy on you with Sanctuary, with all those broken houses to tear up for supplies to get started.

Nov 15, 2015#97

Hailey Knight

Isn't the whole base-building thing optional? My wife has three bases, I think, but I've only touched Sanctuary and it doesn't seem to have affected things. I stole a Raider outpost that I could turn into a base, but I see no need. Unless someone's going to grow RadAway to cure the fact that my max HP is at 20%, it's not going to help me right now.

I like that radiation actually matters now, but it is killing me.

Nov 15, 2015#98

Dave

I used chems for the first time to bolster my stats this morning while fight a god damned gigantic mirelurk. I died three times and then said fuck it and juiced myself, opening up a can of whoop-ass with a missile launcher.

This game can actually be kinda hard sometimes.

Nov 15, 2015#99

sixpackshaker

I just fought her, I just hid in the wall and plinked her with a .45 combat rifle.

I got caught out in the open the first time she popped up.

Nov 15, 2015#100

AshburnerX

Did that yesterday. I have basically zero ammo right now because of it and the reward (some power armor pieces and 5 cores) was not worth the hassle as I haven't been using the power armor I DO have. What I NEED is ammo and better guns.

Zero Esc said:
Isn't the whole base-building thing optional? My wife has three bases, I think, but I've only touched Sanctuary and it doesn't seem to have affected things. I stole a Raider outpost that I could turn into a base, but I see no need. Unless someone's going to grow RadAway to cure the fact that my max HP is at 20%, it's not going to help me right now.

I like that radiation actually matters now, but it is killing me.

If you get the Local Leader perks, you can make your bases start selling/trading stuff for caps. This is basically the ONLY way to get a decent amount of caps. They can also grow food you can pick for use in soups and to make adhesive.

Nov 15, 2015#101

Hailey Knight

Dave said:
This game can actually be kinda hard sometimes.

This is the one time I haven't given my wife a hard time for choosing easy difficulty. Other Bethesda games, she ended up going to normal and discovering she could still do it, but this one is a little more of a test, so I can't blame her.

AshburnerX said:
If you get the Local Leader perks, you can make your bases start selling/trading stuff for caps. This is basically the ONLY way to get a decent amount of caps. They can also grow food you can pick for use in soups and to make adhesive.

Is it really necessary though? Other Bethesda games, there gets to a point where you can get so obscenely rich that money means nothing anymore. I don't need to be that rich though.

Nov 15, 2015#102

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
Is it really necessary though? Other Bethesda games, there gets to a point where you can get so obscenely rich that money means nothing anymore. I don't need to be that rich though.

I haven't gotten out of my teens yet, but ALL of the guns I've been finding have been kind of shit and that was where you got most of your money in the other games. I also don't know if loot is leveled or not. But I do know that the caps help me RIGHT NOW in being able to buy ammo and meds.

Nov 15, 2015#103

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
I haven't gotten out of my teens yet, but ALL of the guns I've been finding have been kind of shit and that was where you got most of your money in the other games. I also don't know if loot is leveled or not. But I do know that the caps help me RIGHT NOW in being able to buy ammo and meds.

Part of the problem is also scrapping stuff versus selling it. Not all gun pieces are useful in making better guns, although certain perks can make better mods.

I'm only level 7; but with how I did my character, I'd have to blow 5 levels' worth of perks to get Local Leader. I'm just going to have to find my own way.

Nov 15, 2015#104

sixpackshaker

AshburnerX said:
I haven't gotten out of my teens yet, but ALL of the guns I've been finding have been kind of shit and that was where you got most of your money in the other games. I also don't know if loot is leveled or not. But I do know that the caps help me RIGHT NOW in being able to buy ammo and meds.

Find the chem station at Sanctuary. You can make your own Stimpacks. I have not bought one yet, they are really expensive.

COOK the meat you find - no rads. There is even a mutated dog that when you cook the meat it takes away -50 rads.

Join the brotherhood of steel and do their missions. They pay roughly 100 caps per mission. And they dump a lot of xp on you too.

Nov 15, 2015#105

LordRendar

I loot EVERYTHING. Then dump the Junk and Food at my Workbench. I sell the Weapons and Ammunition ,for the guns I dont need, at one of my many vendors I have at Sanctuary. All of my armor pieces have the "deep pocket" mod when I go on a scavenging run. I have quite a lot of caps and a lot of ammo. Progress is slow though.

Nov 15, 2015#106

Jay

Zero Esc said:
I'm only level 7; but with how I did my character, I'd have to blow 5 levels' worth of perks to get Local Leader. I'm just going to have to find my own way.

No you don't. I just picked it up when my level was available. No need to dump points anywhere to pick skills anywhere in the tree as long as you match the requirements.

Nov 15, 2015#107

Dei

I'm assuming he means he has no charisma.

Nov 15, 2015#108

Hailey Knight

Yup. My charisma is at 1. I wanted to do something different this time, so instead of doing general decent stats with minor bonuses in one or two, I left multiple stats at 1 and boosted others high up.

It's made things interesting.

Nov 16, 2015#109

Dave

I haven't done the BoS stuff. I think the main guy is a dick and I haven't joined them. Maybe on my next playthrough.

And holy crap. Unlike Skyrim, the monsters don't have anything to do with your level. So it's entirely possible to get in WAY over your head and have to leave until you get better gear or a few levels. You basically can't just do main quest stuff because it's nearly impossible to win fights. I'm level 18 and I just went into an area that were I even a few levels lower I'd have melted away into a lagged pool of radioactive jelly.

Nov 16, 2015#110

AshburnerX

Finally found a combat shotgun. It's been a game changer.

Nov 16, 2015#111

Frank

I hate the "legendary" thing. I know it's a video game, but that Diablo-esque thing is just way too video gamey for me.

Oh look, randomly it's the LEGENDARY RADROACH! They're not even given names or anything. If there were specific legendary creatures in places named it would be a lot better.

Nov 16, 2015#112

AshburnerX

Once I hit 15, I suddenly started getting MUCH better weapons. Even good pipe weapons... I'm not sure how much of this is from the 60% damage boost I get from perks, but it's STILL much better.

Nov 16, 2015#113

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
I hate the "legendary" thing. I know it's a video game, but that Diablo-esque thing is just way too video gamey for me.

Oh look, randomly it's the LEGENDARY RADROACH! They're not even given names or anything. If there were specific legendary creatures in places named it would be a lot better.

Some of the randomizer elements don't make any sense. I ran into a robot that wouldn't be hurt by my laser musket because it had "mutated" to resist that. Not sure how exactly a robot can mutate ...[DOUBLEPOST=1447673015,1447672940][/DOUBLEPOST]

AshburnerX said:
Once I hit 15, I suddenly started getting MUCH better weapons. Even good pipe weapons... I'm not sure how much of this is from the 60% damage boost I get from perks, but it's STILL much better.

Some of it is just the right pick-ups, but that seems to be random. I got a Combat Shotgun at level 8 and I'm loving it.

Finding an area with enemies who use laser weapons is also a big help, because you can really load up on ammo with the scrounger perk.

Nov 16, 2015#114

Hailey Knight

Wife is building a multi-floor abomination of a house.

I expect the whole thing to collapse when she exits the construction menu.

Nov 16, 2015#115

Frank

Legendary Assaultron can suck all the powered up super lasers. Holy fucking shit.

"Oh, an assaultron, cool. Oh no, it's legen..."

/super laser sound followed by body crumbling to ashes sound

Nov 17, 2015#116

ScytheRexx

Ok how the hell do I start getting perks? Everything is greyed out and for some reason the only perk I got is barbarian. I cant find anyone talking about it online. I am close to level 10.

Nov 17, 2015#117

AshburnerX

ScytheRexx said:
Ok how the hell do I start getting perks? Everything is greyed out and for some reason the only perk I got is barbarian. I cant find anyone talking about it online. I am close to level 10.

Press T when you have your Pipboy up. That'll let you pick your perks.

Nov 17, 2015#118

ScytheRexx

AshburnerX said:
Press T when you have your Pipboy up. That'll let you pick your perks.

I know that. I can get to the window. But all the perks are grey. I can hit alt or ctrl to raise the rank but those just reset once I close the perk screen. The only thing it lets me do is add a special point when I level to the top row, but every single row under it is closed.

Nov 17, 2015#119

Siska

Built myself a tree house. I would build more levels but settlers don't really seem to want to go higher then 2 stories, so didn't bother. I might do it anyway and just put some turrets on a smaller third platform, or something. But for now I got this!

I have seen string-lights in the world, so I hope that is something that's unlockable by finding the right picket fences magazine. Also, need ladders.

Nov 17, 2015#120

bhamv3

Every screenshot I see and every story I hear is a blow against my willpower to not get this game until the price drops.

Being financially responsible sucks.

Nov 17, 2015#121

Terrik

bhamv3 said:
Every screenshot I see and every story I hear is a blow against my willpower to not get this game until the price drops.

Being financially responsible sucks.

Sell some of your porn.

Nov 17, 2015#122

Dave

ScytheRexx said:
I know that. I can get to the window. But all the perks are grey. I can hit alt or ctrl to raise the rank but those just reset once I close the perk screen. The only thing it lets me do is add a special point when I level to the top row, but every single row under it is closed.

Have you tried clicking on the perk and looking at the bottom? Once you click it it should ask you to hit Enter to confirm. Or "E". Whatever.

Or, explained better: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/que...er-than-increasing-special-skills-at-level-up

Nov 17, 2015#123

AshburnerX

bhamv3 said:
Every screenshot I see and every story I hear is a blow against my willpower to not get this game until the price drops.

Being financially responsible sucks.

I have never regreted buying a Elder Scrolls or Fallout game from Bethesda on Day 1. It IS worth the 60 dollars, unlike so many other titles.

Nov 17, 2015#124

Frank

bhamv3 said:
Every screenshot I see and every story I hear is a blow against my willpower to not get this game until the price drops.

Being financially responsible sucks.

Should've grabbed it during Green Man Gaming's 25% off anything coupon sale. That's when I did.

Nov 17, 2015#125

ScytheRexx

Dave said:
Have you tried clicking on the perk and looking at the bottom? Once you click it it should ask you to hit Enter to confirm. Or "E". Whatever.

Or, explained better: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/que...er-than-increasing-special-skills-at-level-up

Yup, all it says is if I want to raise or lower the rank, which again, happens, but never sticks.

Nov 17, 2015#126

bhamv3

Terrik said:
Sell some of your porn.

Who pays for porn these days?

Nov 17, 2015#127

ScytheRexx

Okay here is a screenshot.

One of the things that I realize is I never picked the Barbarian perk, nor do I remember even having a tutorial pop up on how to handle perks. I think when I went back to my house and picked up the comic book, it gave me the perk before I was supposed to learn about it, and fucked something up. I hope I don't have to start over.

Nov 17, 2015#128

Frank

Barbarian perk comes from picking up issues of Grognak. Otherwise, looks like your game is bugged.

Nov 17, 2015#129

PatrThom

bhamv3 said:
Being financially responsible sucks.

Preach it, brother!
(though being financially irresponsible sucks more...just not right away)

--Patrick

Nov 17, 2015#130

Ravenpoe

ScytheRexx said:
Okay here is a screenshot.

One of the things that I realize is I never picked the Barbarian perk, nor do I remember even having a tutorial pop up on how to handle perks. I think when I went back to my house and picked up the comic book, it gave me the perk before I was supposed to learn about it, and fucked something up. I hope I don't have to start over.

Can you double click the perk you want? I think alt only shows you the effects if the next rank.

Alternatively, plug a controller in. I've found keyboard to be so bugged for everything.

Nov 17, 2015#131

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
Can you double click the perk you want? I think alt only shows you the effects if the next rank.

Alternatively, plug a controller in. I've found keyboard to be so bugged for everything.

Double clicking does nothing. It does not even show the confirm dialogue or the E option to accept it. Just tab, rank up, and rank down.

Nov 18, 2015#132

sixpackshaker

The greyed out ones are the ones you pick. The dotted silhouettes are the ones you can not pick. Click on what you want then click toward the bottom to confirm. Or press E.

Nov 18, 2015#133

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
The greyed out ones are the ones you pick. The dotted silhouettes are the ones you can not pick. Click on what you want then click toward the bottom to confirm. Or press E.

As I already said, there is no confirm button, there is no E option. It's grey all the way down and nothing will let me select them outside of marking up or down ranks randomly. Look at the picture, I even have toughness selected on it, which only requires 1 END, and I can't do anything other then the options you see below.

Nov 18, 2015#134

Dave

Do you run the game as an admin? Failing that you may have to uninstall & reinstall, which sucks.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Nov 18, 2015#135

Siska

Your SPECIAL stats are very high for someone who has never been able to pick a perk. If I remember correctly, there are only enough points to get 4 in everything, if you spread them evenly, on character creation.

Nov 18, 2015#136

LordRendar

Did he perchance put his perk points into the SPECIAL stats,because he couldnt choose perks?

Nov 18, 2015#137

ScytheRexx

Siska said:
Your SPECIAL stats are very high for someone who has never been able to pick a perk. If I remember correctly, there are only enough points to get 4 in everything, if you spread them evenly, on character creation.

Oh shit. You just helped me inadvertently discover my problem. When I started playing and leveled, it told me to put a point into the perk tree in my SPECIAL, so I did and just kept doing that each level, not realizing that the PERK POINTS shared with the SPECIAL POINTS. The reason I can't get perks is because I keep spending them on my SPECIAL. God damn it. I might as well just start over.

Did I mention I hate the Fallout 4 UI? Okay to get out of this menu you have to hit tab, but to get out of THIS menu, you have to hit ESC. To enter this menu, hit E, but that one, his ENTER, and THAT ONE, hit Space. Also this one you have to use the arrow keys. All while showing me a three second tutorial blip that is hard to notice when I have a feral goal trying to kill me.

Nov 18, 2015#138

Hailey Knight

Not to make light of your situation, but that really made me laugh.

Nov 18, 2015#139

Bubble181

ScytheRexx said:
feral goal

Just kick the ball out of bounds, you'll have plenty of time then.

Nov 18, 2015#140

Ravenpoe

ScytheRexx said:
Oh shit. You just helped me inadvertently discover my problem. When I started playing and leveled, it told me to put a point into the perk tree in my SPECIAL, so I did and just kept doing that each level, not realizing that the PERK POINTS shared with the SPECIAL POINTS. The reason I can't get perks is because I keep spending them on my SPECIAL. God damn it. I might as well just start over.

Did I mention I hate the Fallout 4 UI? Okay to get out of this menu you have to hit tab, but to get out of THIS menu, you have to hit ESC. To enter this menu, hit E, but that one, his ENTER, and THAT ONE, hit Space. Also this one you have to use the arrow keys. All while showing me a three second tutorial blip that is hard to notice when I have a feral goal trying to kill me.

I highly recommend a controller. It sucks, because I wanted to play with KB&M like a proper game, and shooters with controllers are ehhhhh, but the UI is so bad for KB&M that I had to give it up.

Nov 18, 2015#141

Bubble181

Ravenpoe said:
I highly recommend a controller. It sucks, because I wanted to play with KB&M like a proper game, and shooters with controllers are ehhhhh, but the UI is so bad for KB&M that I had to give it up.

Alternatively, just wait for a decent UI mod

Nov 18, 2015#142

Siska

ScytheRexx said:
Oh shit. You just helped me inadvertently discover my problem. When I started playing and leveled, it told me to put a point into the perk tree in my SPECIAL, so I did and just kept doing that each level, not realizing that the PERK POINTS shared with the SPECIAL POINTS. The reason I can't get perks is because I keep spending them on my SPECIAL. God damn it. I might as well just start over.

Did I mention I hate the Fallout 4 UI? Okay to get out of this menu you have to hit tab, but to get out of THIS menu, you have to hit ESC. To enter this menu, hit E, but that one, his ENTER, and THAT ONE, hit Space. Also this one you have to use the arrow keys. All while showing me a three second tutorial blip that is hard to notice when I have a feral goal trying to kill me.

You don't need to start over. The game has infinite levels. You probably would have picked some SPECIAL down the road anyway. Just start grabbing other perks now.

Nov 18, 2015#143

AshburnerX

ScytheRexx said:
Oh shit. You just helped me inadvertently discover my problem. When I started playing and leveled, it told me to put a point into the perk tree in my SPECIAL, so I did and just kept doing that each level, not realizing that the PERK POINTS shared with the SPECIAL POINTS. The reason I can't get perks is because I keep spending them on my SPECIAL. God damn it. I might as well just start over.

Did I mention I hate the Fallout 4 UI? Okay to get out of this menu you have to hit tab, but to get out of THIS menu, you have to hit ESC. To enter this menu, hit E, but that one, his ENTER, and THAT ONE, hit Space. Also this one you have to use the arrow keys. All while showing me a three second tutorial blip that is hard to notice when I have a feral goal trying to kill me.

This isn't actually a deal breaker: high Special states give bonuses of their own and you'd want to increase some of them anyway.

- Strength increases max load and gives you more melee damage.
- Perception gives you better VATS accuracy and lets you spot enemies/items from further away.
- Endurance gives you more HP, more air while underwater, and affects other resistances.
- Charisma alone is what decides how persuasive you are and has some effect on shop prices as well.
- Agility lets you run faster and jump better. I believe it also increases the sweet spot for lockpicking.
- Intelligence lets you level up faster in different ways. A low intelligence gives you random 5x experience bonuses for stuff while high int gives you a flat, lower multiplier for ALL xp gain.
- Luck affects crit chance and how much ammo/caps you find.

So having high special stats instead of perks isn't a HUGE deal breaker. Just gets points into your preferred weapon style ASAP and start getting lockpicking/computer up.

Nov 18, 2015#144

Siska

And you need levels in SPECIAL to unlock perks anyways.

For your first real perk, I recommend Idiot Savant. Not for some punny reason related to your perk picking struggles. But because the XP boost is always worth it. Even high intel builds will level faster and thus get to pick more faster perks!

Nov 18, 2015#145

bhamv3

Speaking of the UI...

A mod to change the dialogue options to a list interface, with each option showing the full text of the response.

Nov 18, 2015#146

sixpackshaker

Nov 18, 2015#147

Bowielee

Nov 18, 2015#148

Frank

My five crank laser musket sniper rifle has taken the head off a deathclaw. It's pretty bananas for being basically a starter weapon.

Much longer range than most of the ballistic weapons I've seen.

Nov 18, 2015#149

blotsfan

My game glitched so I have to start over from right after I leave the vault. :mad:

Nov 18, 2015#150

AshburnerX

Frank said:
My five crank laser musket sniper rifle has taken the head off a deathclaw. It's pretty bananas for being basically a starter weapon.

Much longer range than most of the ballistic weapons I've seen.

The Laser Musket is a special case... it's the iconic weapon of the Minutemen and the main weapon of one of your first companions. As such, it gets upgrades to make it viable for pretty much the entire game, at the expense of ammo. Some other weapons (like The Deliverer) and some outfits (like The Silver Shroud costume) also get specific upgrades to keep them viable simply for being iconic, fun items. Basically, if you get it from a quest and it has a non-standard model, you can usually go back to the quest giver (or someone associated with them) to get upgrades for it or you have the means to make the upgrades yourself through perks.[DOUBLEPOST=1447898349,1447898256][/DOUBLEPOST]

blotsfan said:
My game glitched so I have to start over from right after I leave the vault.

Is it the glitch where you can't move when you first leave Vault 111? What you need to do is alt-tab out of the game, then click back to the game. This will force the pause menu up. Save the game, exit the game, then reload the save once you've restarted the game. You'll be able to move.

Nov 18, 2015#151

blotsfan

AshburnerX said:
Is it the glitch where you can't move when you first leave Vault 111? What you need to do is alt-tab out of the game, then click back to the game. This will force the pause menu up. Save the game, exit the game, then reload the save once you've restarted the game. You'll be able to move.

No, I was in concord and instead of getting the power armor, I left the museum. When I realized I was about to get killed by the raiders, I went back into the museum. I got the power armor and minigun, but the only thing outside anymore was the deathcrawler. I killed it, but the guy is still telling me I have to kill the raiders, but they're all gone.

Nov 18, 2015#152

sixpackshaker

Save early, safe often. Just hit F5 after each event/fight.

But you should have a few saves before you put on the armor.

Nov 18, 2015#153

blotsfan

sixpackshaker said:
Save early, safe often. Just hit F5 after each event/fight.

But you should have a few saves before you put on the armor.

I tried every save slot I have. The only one from before my mistake was right at the end of the vault.

Nov 19, 2015#154

Frank

Ok, blocking in this game is fucking dumb. I'm doing a charging power attack with a super sledge while decked out in military painted power armor, it's SUPER FUCKING DUMB when an unarmed person blocks 100% of the damage and I'm fucking staggered!

Nov 20, 2015#155

Hailey Knight

Now that I've gotten many of the more necessary perks (hacking, gun nut), time to blow my other perk points on the Luck tree!

I can see the potential for bullshit here with the right amount of investment. The amount of criticals you can potentially get is kind of insane.

Nov 20, 2015#156

Ravenpoe

I've made a stealth melee build that is just broken. With blitz in the agility tree, ninja, and unarmed bonus damages, I can sneak into a room, go into vats, and then blink around like nightcrawler, hitting everyone for huge sneak attacks and leaving everyone dead

Nov 20, 2015#157

DarkAudit

Ravenpoe said:
I've made a stealth melee build that is just broken. With blitz in the agility tree, ninja, and unarmed bonus damages, I can sneak into a room, go into vats, and then blink around like nightcrawler, hitting everyone for huge sneak attacks and leaving everyone dead

You just reminded me why I loved my claws stalker in CoX. I could stealth my way to the instance boss, pop a bunch of inspirations, and one-shot him. If it wasn't a "kill all" mission, that was the only fight I had to do

Nov 21, 2015#158

sixpackshaker

I found a magazine that gave me a 1% chance to be completely immune to an attack....

It proc'ed on a nuclear explosion.

BOOM! MUSHROOM CLOUD!

no damage no radiation.

Nov 21, 2015#159

Ravenpoe

I just discovered that you can pickpocket the fusion core off of an enemy in power armor. It forces them out of it. Woot!

Nov 21, 2015#160

PatrThom

Ravenpoe said:
I just discovered that you can pickpocket the fusion core off of an enemy in power armor. It forces them out of it. Woot!

There's a video going around that shows someone doing just that.

--Patrick

Nov 21, 2015#161

Dave

I just found out (accidentally) that if you HOLD the tab key down...you have a flashlight.

Nov 21, 2015#162

Frank

Ha ha ha ha. Oh man. Game really doesn't explain a lot of stuff well.

It's a good thing I have like 20 million hours in 3 and New Vegas.

Blocking is still absolutely messed up for enemies. Every enemy blocks 100% damage no matter how upgraded your super sledge is or how little armor or whatever they are wearing.

Nov 21, 2015#163

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I just found out (accidentally) that if you HOLD the tab key down...you have a flashlight.

Welcome to Fallout 3 and NV.

Nov 21, 2015#164

Dave

I guess I didn't know it there, either. These things really aren't documented well.

Nov 22, 2015#165

sixpackshaker

Ravenpoe said:
I just discovered that you can pickpocket the fusion core off of an enemy in power armor. It forces them out of it. Woot!

I accidentally shot the fusion core on a raider in VATS. BOOM!

Nov 22, 2015#166

AshburnerX

Dave said:
I guess I didn't know it there, either. These things really aren't documented well.

I know for a fact that they bring this up in the tutorial for Fallout 3 and in New Vegas (though the tutorial for New Vegas is optional).[DOUBLEPOST=1448205888,1448205612][/DOUBLEPOST]

Frank said:
Blocking is still absolutely messed up for enemies. Every enemy blocks 100% damage no matter how upgraded your super sledge is or how little armor or whatever they are wearing.

This sort of brings the attractiveness of the piercing weapons and weapons with bleed or radiation damage up, when dealing with certain kinds of enemies... though really, I'm at the point where my revolver rips everything in half with two shots except legendaries and things that are SUPPOSED to soak damage, and I have a railgun for THOSE.

Nov 22, 2015#167

Dave

Did you know if you keep shooting down the troop carriers you can no longer join the Brotherhood of Steel? For some reason they HATE me. Which makes no sense, really. I leave no survivors.

Nov 22, 2015#168

sixpackshaker

They must have an unlimited supply of vertibirds. Every time I fast travel in Boston one of them gets shot down. But hey free power armor...

Nov 22, 2015#169

Hailey Knight

Has anyone else had something like this happen?

Very early in the game I cleared an area (Satellite Station Olivia). Later I got a quest to retrieve an item there, which I did.

Then today, I got a raider clear-out quest, and it was the same place. New raiders had taken over, but the game didn't seem to realize that's what happened. Along with the new enemies, the traps reset, the containers refilled, and new junk and meds had been littered over the shelves and such. I even got a second key for the locked room, and was able to open the safe and bottom area door a second time each.

I don't think I've seen an area reset in the previous games or Skyrim. Was really weird. Between my wife's and my playing, we've noticed we don't always get the same assignment for raider quests. For example, Tenpine Bluffs wanted her to clear out the Corvega place near Lexington, but for me that was an assignment by Abernathy Farms. When I got the Tenpine quest, it was to clear out Walden Pond. So there's definitely some RNG stuff going on and I wonder if maybe Station Olivia just happened to get snagged twice, either through a bug or intentionally.

Nov 22, 2015#170

sixpackshaker

I have seen several places reset. Especially Medford Hospital, luckily the keys still work.

Nov 22, 2015#171

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
Has anyone else had something like this happen?

Very early in the game I cleared an area (Satellite Station Olivia). Later I got a quest to retrieve an item there, which I did.

Then today, I got a raider clear-out quest, and it was the same place. New raiders had taken over, but the game didn't seem to realize that's what happened. Along with the new enemies, the traps reset, the containers refilled, and new junk and meds had been littered over the shelves and such. I even got a second key for the locked room, and was able to open the safe and bottom area door a second time each.

I don't think I've seen an area reset in the previous games or Skyrim. Was really weird. Between my wife's and my playing, we've noticed we don't always get the same assignment for raider quests. For example, Tenpine Bluffs wanted her to clear out the Corvega place near Lexington, but for me that was an assignment by Abernathy Farms. When I got the Tenpine quest, it was to clear out Walden Pond. So there's definitely some RNG stuff going on and I wonder if maybe Station Olivia just happened to get snagged twice, either through a bug or intentionally.

I don't know how Fallout 4 does it specifically, but it probably uses something similar to Skyrim's Radiant Quests, in which the game will randomly assign some quest locations based on its Radiant AI system.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Radiant_A.I.

Nov 22, 2015#172

sixpackshaker

I now have my 4th set of Power Armor. I had to cheat and reload an encounter about 5 times. So I could kill an elite raider before she could get into a set of T-45.

Nov 22, 2015#173

Jay

At this point I have 2 power armor sets in each of my settlements (about 10 settlements).

BoS has a nice one though, fully modded out (well amost, need top science perk but dont have the level req)

Nov 22, 2015#174

Frank

The T-60 you get from the Atom Cats is sweet.

Nov 22, 2015#175

Hailey Knight

Jay said:
At this point I have 2 power armor sets in each of my settlements (about 10 settlements).

BoS has a nice one though, fully modded out (well amost, need top science perk but dont have the level req)

Want.

Nov 23, 2015#176

Dave

I stole T-60 from one of the BoS guys. Sneaked up, stole his core and then killed him while he was getting out of it.

I don't know why those guys hate me so much, but they do. So much so, in fact, that they've been attacking the Minutemen. That shit ain't going to fly.

Nov 23, 2015#177

Cog

Finished the main story in witcher 3. Now it's fallout time (thanks again Dave). That's a tough act to follow.

Nov 23, 2015#178

Dave

I still haven't finished the Witcher. After I beat FO4 I'll go back and start it again. I just got bored with it.

Nov 25, 2015#179

Anonymous

Oh god I'm addicted.

Nov 25, 2015#180

blotsfan

^that was me. Anonymous misclick.

Nov 25, 2015#181

Dave

There's a place in Vault 95 that can fix that.

And what's the deal with Cait?!? She hates it when I help people. But she LOVED it when I assassinated this poor lady that I'm not sure deserved it. I'm starting to think she's a bit of a psycho. (No pun intended if you've gotten that far.)

Nov 25, 2015#182

AshburnerX

Dave said:
There's a place in Vault 95 that can fix that.

And what's the deal with Cait?!? She hates it when I help people. But she LOVED it when I assassinated this poor lady that I'm not sure deserved it. I'm starting to think she's a bit of a psycho. (No pun intended if you've gotten that far.)

MacCready is a bit like this too... he HATES it when you help people without compensation, but loves it when you steal.

Unsurprising really, considering how much of a little shit he was when he was the mayor of Little Lamplight in Fallout 3.

Nov 26, 2015#183

AshburnerX

More bullshit with MacCready.

Alright... in Vault 84, he HATED the fact that I gave Austin the cure to his disease for free. Less than an hour later, he's begging me to help him break into a med lab to get a cure for HIS son. Dude, if you needed the drug, maybe you should have fucking said something THEN?

Nov 26, 2015#184

Dave

Yeah, Cait and I

cleared out Vault 95. Less than an hour later she tells me that she's really sick and needs a detox center found...in Vault 95. If only we could find it...Funny thing, though, when you get the quest to find it, it will repopulate the guys guarding it outside, including the Assaultron. Inside the guys are all still dead, but it resets all the traps, locks, and items.

Nov 27, 2015#185

Hailey Knight

I named my character Knight. The Brotherhood has promoted me to the rank of Knight.

I am Knight Knight. They don't call me this, sadly, but they do call me Knight, so it's like they're saying my character's name. Did anyone else side with the Brotherhood of Steel for what's going on?

I'm essentially retaking the farms I originally grabbed for the Minutemen. On the upside, got Brotherhood Power Armor.

Random aside: found a holotape with a doofy Robocop reference. Made me laugh.

Nov 27, 2015#186

Dave

I think the BoS are terrible and the character I'm playing kills them all every chance I get.

Minutemen all the way, baby!

My next playthrough is going to be 0 sneak and all BoS all the time.

Nov 29, 2015#187

Hailey Knight

Dave said:
I think the BoS are terrible and the character I'm playing kills them all every chance I get.

Minutemen all the way, baby!

My next playthrough is going to be 0 sneak and all BoS all the time.

Your crops are mine, peasant. You don't appreciate what the Brotherhood is doing for you.

I haven't called in a Vertibird for support yet, but it's going to happen.

Nov 29, 2015#188

Frank

Can I point out something that has bothered me since Oblivion?

Since the introduction of instant fast travel in Oblivion, Bethesda has gotten VERY lazy about quests. In Morrowind (where there was no fast travel unless you paid for it in specific places), quests had a logical placement. You generally weren't sent across the entire world unless there was a VERY good reason. Since Oblivion (and Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout 4), you could get sent randomly anywhere for a quest, wherever they wanted to plunk a location.

I dunno, it makes for less immersion for me I guess.

I could just not use fast travel, but they designed the game world around the fact that you can.

Nov 29, 2015#189

Dave

I've hit a glitch in the game that I just can't get past. Really, it's my first one but it's a doozy.

So I'm doing the first quest for "Father" and the last part of it is to check out my room. Easy enough. I find it, walk over to the location...nothing. I save the game, restart, go into the room...nothing. So I use the console to finish the quest, which gives me no exp, but whatever. Now the only thing Father says to me is, "You should check out your room." Fuck. Guess I'm not doing any more Institute quests any time soon.

I say to hell with it, go do the railroad quests. I get to where I am infiltrated, and the next quest is basically, "Keep doing Institute quests until we contact you."

I guess I'm fucked. The BoS already hates me and shoots on sight. I think the only thing I have left to do is start shooting up the Institute, get banned, and hope I get Defend the Castle and do the Minutemen ending.

Nov 29, 2015#190

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I've hit a glitch in the game that I just can't get past. Really, it's my first one but it's a doozy.

So I'm doing the first quest for "Father" and the last part of it is to check out my room. Easy enough. I find it, walk over to the location...nothing. I save the game, restart, go into the room...nothing. So I use the console to finish the quest, which gives me no exp, but whatever. Now the only thing Father says to me is, "You should check out your room." Fuck. Guess I'm not doing any more Institute quests any time soon.

I say to hell with it, go do the railroad quests. I get to where I am infiltrated, and the next quest is basically, "Keep doing Institute quests until we contact you."

I guess I'm fucked. The BoS already hates me and shoots on sight. I think the only thing I have left to do is start shooting up the Institute, get banned, and hope I get Defend the Castle and do the Minutemen ending.

I think you broke it by using the console. The web is telling me the fix to that glitch is to teleport to libertalia and then go back.

Nov 30, 2015#191

Dave

Ravenpoe said:
I think you broke it by using the console. The web is telling me the fix to that glitch is to teleport to libertalia and then go back.

Did that. No go. Did everything I could. No go.

Nov 30, 2015#192

Far

New power armor.

Nov 30, 2015#193

Dave

Addon, update, or photoshop?

Nov 30, 2015#194

AshburnerX

Dave said:
Addon, update, or photoshop?

Neither. It's X-01 armor with a custom paint job from the Hot Rodder books and red tactical headlamp. X-o1 is pretty hard to get a hold of unless you're willing to do a fairly tough fight to get a whole set of it.

Nov 30, 2015#195

Dave

AshburnerX said:
Neither. It's X-01 armor with a custom paint job from the Hot Rodder books and red tactical headlamp. X-o1 is pretty hard to get a hold of unless you're willing to do a fairly tough fight to get a whole set of it.

Well then I need to get me some. Get some!

I'm trying to quickly finish the game so I can start over and do my next playthrough.

Nov 30, 2015#196

Frank

I'm still missing the left leg of the x01. I have doubles and triples of all the other parts.

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

Nov 30, 2015#197

Terrik

So, I finished the main storyline the other day, and I have to say:

How thoroughly disappointed I was that I didn't even get a 3 minute summary of my actions or impact on the Commonwealth. Just genetic ending + war, war never changes. Done. Really? FFS, GIVE ME SOMETHING. I mean, now I'm head of the institute. And? How about that speech I recorded. Is that going to get played? Will Diamond city ever hear it? What's their reaction? Come on guys, Fallout: NV did this so much better.

The worst part is, I *like* the game. I LIKE not having to repair my stuff every 5 minutes. I LIKE the perk system. Even some of the dialogue isn't half bad. But that ending really bummed me out. Very anti-climatic. Heck, you even barely get to see the glory of the Patriot bot taking out the BoS blimp.

Nov 30, 2015#198

Frank

Terrik said:
So, I finished the main storyline the other day, and I have to say:

How thoroughly disappointed I was that I didn't even get a 3 minute summary of my actions or impact on the Commonwealth. Just genetic ending + war, war never changes. Done. Really? FFS, GIVE ME SOMETHING. I mean, now I'm head of the institute. And? How about that speech I recorded. Is that going to get played? Will Diamond city ever hear it? What's their reaction? Come on guys, Fallout: NV did this so much better.

The worst part is, I *like* the game. I LIKE not having to repair my stuff every 5 minutes. I LIKE the perk system. Even some of the dialogue isn't half bad. But that ending really bummed me out. Very anti-climatic. Heck, you even barely get to see the glory of the Patriot bot taking out the BoS blimp.

BETHESDAAAA!

Nov 30, 2015#199

Krisken

I just started this game and I am getting my ass kicked all over the place. Is there a way to invert the look up/down? Up being up is terrible

Nov 30, 2015#200

Far

AshburnerX said:
Neither. It's X-01 armor with a custom paint job from the Hot Rodder books and red tactical headlamp. X-o1 is pretty hard to get a hold of unless you're willing to do a fairly tough fight to get a whole set of it.

I went with my tried and true liter the place with mines and pray method.

Nov 30, 2015#201

Bubble181

This thread has info on h ow to change the mouse sensitivity in each axis separately. I imagine changing the Y-axis one to a negative value would invert it, though I can't check, of course.

Nov 30, 2015#202

AshburnerX

Far said:
I went with my tried and true liter the place with mines and pray method.

I was like level 40 when I went to do it, so I literally just unloaded my guns into them. Worked just fine.

Nov 30, 2015#203

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
Can I point out something that has bothered me since Oblivion?

Since the introduction of instant fast travel in Oblivion, Bethesda has gotten VERY lazy about quests. In Morrowind (where there was no fast travel unless you paid for it in specific places), quests had a logical placement. You generally weren't sent across the entire world unless there was a VERY good reason. Since Oblivion (and Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout 4), you could get sent randomly anywhere for a quest, wherever they wanted to plunk a location.

I dunno, it makes for less immersion for me I guess.

I could just not use fast travel, but they designed the game world around the fact that you can.

I feel the same, even though I never played Morrowind; it does break immersion a bit. In Skyrim, I just don't use fast travel and walk across the land to do the quest, but in Fallout, I just don't feel like trekking every single time.

Nov 30, 2015#204

Terrik

Zero Esc said:
I feel the same, even though I never played Morrowind; it does break immersion a bit. In Skyrim, I just don't use fast travel and walk across the land to do the quest, but in Fallout, I just don't feel like trekking every single time.

Right. A few are like "There are some ghouls bothering us. Please take care of them."

"Oh su--"

"600 miles to the south."

"Those ghouls. Those are the ghouls bothering you."

...

:megusta:

Nov 30, 2015#205

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
I feel the same, even though I never played Morrowind; it does break immersion a bit. In Skyrim, I just don't use fast travel and walk across the land to do the quest, but in Fallout, I just don't feel like trekking every single time.

True, but Morrowind also had fun things like "walk this slave halfway across the continent to appease some asshole native Dunmer" and "Walk this native Dunmer clanmother to the dangerous daedric shrine. Hope you can water walk across the fucking ocean!". Quick travel was just as important (which will take me closer to where I want to go, Almsivi Intervention, Divine Intervention, or Recall?) but more a hassle to use because you had to remember silt strider and boat routes.

Nov 30, 2015#206

Cog

The game every now and then gets stuck in the loading screen. Then it wont start again until I restart the pc. Anyone else is having the same problem?

Dec 1, 2015#207

Hailey Knight

Wife was watching me play tonight and since I try not to do story missions around her so they're not spoiled for her, I went wandering.

Got kind of bored. A couple cool buggy things happened, but I really just wanted to go do missions. Must have been wandering in the wrong places; there's still a lot of map to cover. But the area reset stuff based on the repeatable quests brings an MMO feel that I don't care for.

Example, Brotherhood guy asks me to take over a farm, and it's Sanctuary Hills. So I do it. Then I go back and ask him for another farm. I get assigned to take over Sanctuary Hills again, even though we already control it.

Dec 3, 2015#208

Squidleybits

my super awesome husband got me a copy

Dec 3, 2015#209

sixpackshaker

I just finished the main story. I started over as a melee character, but realized that it won't work because of the suicide bomber Super Mutants (I always want to call them Orcs.)

Dec 3, 2015#210

Terrik

sixpackshaker said:
I just finished the main story. I started over as a melee character, but realized that it won't work because of the suicide bomber Super Mutants (I always want to call them Orcs.)

I used Big guns / melee but most melee. I just kept a semi auto or a rifle to kill those. It only takes a single shot

Dec 3, 2015#211

Hailey Knight

Terrik said:
I used Big guns / melee but most melee. I just kept a semi auto or a rifle to kill those. It only takes a single shot

This is my plan for my next character.

I'm kind of just doing the BoS and main story stuff at this point. Probably do like Dave and finish this one real soon so I can start another, and that'll be my main "fuck around the Commonwealth" character.

Dec 4, 2015#212

Frank

The lack of dialog outs in this game is getting to me.

Everything just ends in slaughter, almost literally. What's the point in putting in INCREDIBLY interesting looking places like the Combat Zone or the race track if you CAN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING THERE BUT KILL EVERYONE?

The race track is especially egregious. What a God damn waste.

The 4 button dialog thing is bullshit and I hope they learn their lesson. It sucks so bad. So often it doesn't even relay the proper context of what your character is about to say.

Sarcastic. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN HALF THE TIME? Am I gonna say no or yes sarcastically? Guess I'll just hit it and find out.

Dec 4, 2015#213

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
The lack of dialog outs in this game is getting to me.

Everything just ends in slaughter, almost literally. What's the point in putting in INCREDIBLY interesting looking places like the Combat Zone or the race track if you CAN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING THERE BUT KILL EVERYONE?

The race track is especially egregious. What a God damn waste.

The 4 button dialog thing is bullshit and I hope they learn their lesson. It sucks so bad. So often it doesn't even relay the proper context of what your character is about to say.

Sarcastic. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN HALF THE TIME? Am I gonna say no or yes sarcastically? Guess I'll just hit it and find out.

I've never had sarcastic mean anything different than the end result of the Yes result. It just re-flavors it to be snarky for the sake of companions like Piper, or to piss off the Brotherhood of Steel.

So the options are question, sarcastic yes, straightforward yes, and no. I only had a snag at the very beginning with Codsworth; other than that my character hasn't said anything contradictory to my intention. If I had a complaint, it's that Charisma dialogue options used to be an addition to the existing ones, not part of the initial choices.

I heard there's a mod that brings back the old full dialogue options, but you're still stuck with only four.

Dec 4, 2015#214

Jay

Frank said:
Can I point out something that has bothered me since Oblivion?

Since the introduction of instant fast travel in Oblivion, Bethesda has gotten VERY lazy about quests. In Morrowind (where there was no fast travel unless you paid for it in specific places), quests had a logical placement. You generally weren't sent across the entire world unless there was a VERY good reason. Since Oblivion (and Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout 4), you could get sent randomly anywhere for a quest, wherever they wanted to plunk a location.

I dunno, it makes for less immersion for me I guess.

I could just not use fast travel, but they designed the game world around the fact that you can.

This.
I got so many settlements now it got boring and lost its appeal.
The radiant quests are stupid.... oooh, I'll join the minueman, if you get rid of these ghouls who may attack us..... ACROSS THE FUCKING MAP.

Seriously?[DOUBLEPOST=1449290826,1449290647][/DOUBLEPOST]

Frank said:
The lack of dialog outs in this game is getting to me.

Everything just ends in slaughter, almost literally. What's the point in putting in INCREDIBLY interesting looking places like the Combat Zone or the race track if you CAN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING THERE BUT KILL EVERYONE?

The race track is especially egregious. What a God damn waste.

The 4 button dialog thing is bullshit and I hope they learn their lesson. It sucks so bad. So often it doesn't even relay the proper context of what your character is about to say.

Sarcastic. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN HALF THE TIME? Am I gonna say no or yes sarcastically? Guess I'll just hit it and find out.

There's a mod that fixes that.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?[DOUBLEPOST=1449291029][/DOUBLEPOST]I like Fallout 4, it's neat but I realized how much more I enjoy Elder Scrolls.

Dec 4, 2015#215

Ravenpoe

Jay said:
This.
I got so many settlements now it got boring and lost its appeal.
The radiant quests are stupid.... oooh, I'll join the minueman, if you get rid of these ghouls who may attack us..... ACROSS THE FUCKING MAP.

Seriously?[DOUBLEPOST=1449290826,1449290647][/DOUBLEPOST]

There's a mod that fixes that.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?[DOUBLEPOST=1449291029][/DOUBLEPOST]I like Fallout 4, it's neat but I realized how much more I enjoy Elder Scrolls.

Here's the problem with the full dialog mod... Being able to see what all the dialog options say makes you realize they're all exactly the same, and none of your choices matter. They don't even need four choices, they could get by with two. Nod yes, or say no until you say yes.

Dec 5, 2015#216

AshburnerX

Jay said:
This.
I got so many settlements now it got boring and lost its appeal.
The radiant quests are stupid.... oooh, I'll join the minueman, if you get rid of these ghouls who may attack us..... ACROSS THE FUCKING MAP.

Seriously?

No, the worst part is getting kidnappings and raider attacks at places with 200+ defense. NO RAIDER would even step foot in that town, how do people keep getting nabbed?

Dec 5, 2015#217

Frank

The lack of dialog in areas at all is the part that most disconcerts me.

Raiders are just indiscriminate psychos no better than random psychos in Borderlands. At least in New Vegas there were areas where raiders weren't immediately hostile. F4 should have had that, ESPECIALLY at the fucking race track, which is oozing with character but is just a combat area.

Dec 5, 2015#218

AshburnerX

Frank said:
The lack of dialog in areas at all is the part that most disconcerts me.

Raiders are just indiscriminate psychos no better than random psychos in Borderlands. At least in New Vegas there were areas where raiders weren't immediately hostile. F4 should have had that, ESPECIALLY at the fucking race track, which is oozing with character but is just a combat area.

I think the real issue here is that Bethesda has no idea how to write an interesting narrative that doesn't have a single, conclusive end. Yes, you have 4 choices of factions to support in Fallout 4, but they don't have a drastic effect on how the ending plays out because Bethesda wasn't interested in telling us how our actions effected the people we met and helped along the way. How does helping the Institute effect the kind of life Nick, Curie, and Cogsworth have after the war? How about if I support the Railroad or The Brotherhood instead? All of those outcomes would effect all three very significantly but unless they revisit those characters in future DLC or in the next game, we're not going to know.

Really, this is the same shit as Mass Effect 3. Red, Blue, or Green... it doesn't fucking matter matter because NOTHING I did really effected that outcome. It's all just shitty ice cream.

Dec 5, 2015#219

Frank

I'd still love for Bethesda to work with Obsidian on a future Fallout game. Bethesda guys do the world building, because they're amazing at that and let Obsidian handle the writing and story.

Dec 5, 2015#220

Frank

I was listening to a podcast about Fallout 4 and almost everyone on it talked about how they liked Fallout 3 better than New Vegas because it had better storytelling. My brain just about exploded.

Dec 5, 2015#221

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
I was listening to a podcast about Fallout 4 and almost everyone on it talked about how they liked Fallout 3 better than New Vegas because it had better storytelling. My brain just about exploded.

That's just dumb. I say this as someone who had a hard time getting into New Vegas, but that wasn't because of the story. I could see from my wife playing New Vegas that a lot more thought had been put into how each mission and story interwove with the world around it, as opposed to the interesting yet isolated one-offs from Fallout 3.

Now, Fallout 3 had a stronger overall plot, but really, how many people made playing that to conclusion a priority? It took me forever to get to that point. I'm only near the end of Fallout 4's main plot right now because it is an interesting narrative.

I started a new character and with this one I'm going to do significantly more exploring and such, but this past week playing Fallout 4 has really gotten me in the mood to pop in Skyrim and just stroll aimlessly, because just walking around in that game was a pleasure. Skyrim's quest choices were just as terrible as Fallout 4, but it had a lot going for it to make up for that.

Dec 5, 2015#222

Ravenpoe

Frank said:
I was listening to a podcast about Fallout 4 and almost everyone on it talked about how they liked Fallout 3 better than New Vegas because it had better storytelling. My brain just about exploded.

I've known several people to claim that FO3 was better than NV, and they're all very wrong.

Dec 5, 2015#223

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
Now, Fallout 3 had a stronger overall plot, but really, how many people made playing that to conclusion a priority? It took me forever to get to that point. I'm only near the end of Fallout 4's main plot right now because it is an interesting narrative.

It didn't even have that. The entire plot revolves around the idea that the Capital Wasteland doesn't have access to clean water and that Project Purity would change EVERYTHING by making clean water available to everyone. EVERYONE was willing to kill for it and required a GECK to work. When it's over, the Brotherhood of Steel is rationing the pure water that comes out. It's that important. That's not even getting into the FEV virus and how incredibly dumb it would be to use it like they wanted to when the Enclave doesn't have a large enough population to repopulate the area without getting inbred genetic conditions and how it would kill off all the local animal life as well (so I hope you like eating nothing but BEANS for protein).

New Vegas had Lake Mead and the Colorado River be drinkable/rad free because it's been 200 years since the war and there isn't much ambient radiation in the rain anymore, as well as whatever ran through Zion National Park. In Fallout 4, the normal water basin is clean by the fact that you get pure water from simple pumps in the ground and it's child's play to set up a purifying pump to clean any radiated water source. In fact, it's so simple they have an actual child running the pump in Diamond City.

Looking back, it's literally like the writers of New Vegas and Fallout 4 are making fun of the plot of Fallout 3.

Dec 5, 2015#224

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
It didn't even have that. The entire plot revolves around the idea that the Capital Wasteland doesn't have access to clean water and that Project Purity would change EVERYTHING by making clean water available to everyone. EVERYONE was willing to kill for it and required a GECK to work. When it's over, the Brotherhood of Steel is rationing the pure water that comes out. It's that important. That's not even getting into the FEV virus and how incredibly dumb it would be to use it like they wanted to when the Enclave doesn't have a large enough population to repopulate the area without getting inbred genetic conditions and how it would kill off all the local animal life as well (so I hope you like eating nothing but BEANS for protein).

New Vegas had Lake Mead and the Colorado River be drinkable/rad free because it's been 200 years since the war and there isn't much ambient radiation in the rain anymore, as well as whatever ran through Zion National Park. In Fallout 4, the normal water basin is clean by the fact that you get pure water from simple pumps in the ground and it's child's play to set up a purifying pump to clean any radiated water source. In fact, it's so simple they have an actual child running the pump in Diamond City.

Looking back, it's literally like the writers of New Vegas and Fallout 4 are making fun of the plot of Fallout 3.

Honestly, I totally forgot about Project Purity. I remembered the search for Liam Neeson dad (which became delayed by about 50 hours after leaving Megaton) and the Enclave vs Brotherhood of Steel, with the big climax which was fun to play, even though I had to redo the end of it because the game didn't register that my character hadn't sacrificed herself.

I did remember the FEV, but not that it factored into the plot, just that it was in that one vault as an excuse to have Super Mutants this far east.

Fallout 3 was the first of these kinds of games that I'd played and what dominates my memory of it, and what I really enjoyed, was combing through the subways of D.C. I'm not sure how it'd hold up now, but I had a blast years back.

Dec 6, 2015#225

Hailey Knight

Pro-tip: don't side with the Brotherhood of Steel. Not only is the last stretch of quests just one fetch quest after another, but you're placed in some unsavory situations. I actually betrayed them at one point and murdered everyone on the airship from within, but then loaded from it because I thought I could get around the issue.

HUGE main storyline spoiler

So I've met Shaun and now I'm debating whether to just let the Brotherhood march in with our giant robot, or if it's my duty as his mother to kill him for being evil. I'd prefer the latter, unless allowing the former brings up a confrontation scene I could participate in.

In non-story stuff, I should've switched to the Combat Rifle earlier. While each individual shot can't pack the punch of a shotgun, it gets off so many more impact shots that it's the better weapon overall.

Dec 6, 2015#226

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
In non-story stuff, I should've switched to the Combat Rifle earlier. While each individual shot can't pack the punch of a shotgun, it gets off so many more impact shots that it's the better weapon overall.

I feel like the Combat Rifle and Laser Rifle are the moment that Automatics really become most viable. The Combat Rifle can be turned into an armor piercing monster that does decent damage, has a large magazine, has good recoil control, can be customized for aimed or hip firing, and runs on one of the most common ammo types in the game... and mine causes small explosions with each hit thanks to it being legendary. The Laser Rifle is in same boat: you can customize it to give it a larger magazine +fire, better crits, or larger damage, is highly accurate, and you can turn the recoil down to basically nothing if you use a gyroscopic lens... or you can make an INSANE ROOM CLEARING AUTOMATIC SCATTER LASER that makes the auto shotgun weep.

I haven't gotten my science high enough to turn my plasma pistol into an automatic plasma spaz but it's probably going to be just as crazy.

Dec 6, 2015#227

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
I feel like the Combat Rifle and Laser Rifle are the moment that Automatics really become most viable. The Combat Rifle can be turned into an armor piercing monster that does decent damage, has a large magazine, has good recoil control, can be customized for aimed or hip firing, and runs on one of the most common ammo types in the game... and mine causes small explosions with each hit thanks to it being legendary. The Laser Rifle is in same boat: you can customize it to give it a larger magazine +fire, better crits, or larger damage, is highly accurate, and you can turn the recoil down to basically nothing if you use a gyroscopic lens... or you can make an INSANE ROOM CLEARING AUTOMATIC SCATTER LASER that makes the auto shotgun weep.

I haven't gotten my science high enough to turn my plasma pistol into an automatic plasma spaz but it's probably going to be just as crazy.

I have a souped-up Laser Rifle. Maybe I should consider making it an automatic.

Dec 6, 2015#228

Dave

Beat the game tonight. I can see why some are a bit underwhelmed. One thing that really got me was I went back to the Minutemen and talked to Preston. He said something like, "Now we're all free from tyranny! Oh, and there's this settlement that needs help from raiders..."

Quests. Quests never change.[DOUBLEPOST=1449461538,1449461214][/DOUBLEPOST]In my neighborhood right now (a few blocks away) I hear gunfire and a helicopter. I kinda want to crouch down really low and run towards it to see who's mixing it up...

Dec 7, 2015#229

bhamv3

If Black Isle had made Fallout 4.

(Otherwise known as fun with moving the camera around to take screenshots that look like an isometric game)

Dec 7, 2015#230

Hailey Knight

Dave said:
Beat the game tonight. I can see why some are a bit underwhelmed. One thing that really got me was I went back to the Minutemen and talked to Preston. He said something like, "Now we're all free from tyranny! Oh, and there's this settlement that needs help from raiders..."

Quests. Quests never change.

Same with Brotherhood of Steel. Find tech, clear out Super Mutants and ferals, etc. I'm also disappointed that there weren't faction-specific epilogues like in the other games. Granted, I didn't do a ton of the side quests, but still.

I'm trying to do more non-plot stuff with my new character, and while I'm enjoying running around punching people's heads off, I can tell that my way of using this character really mirrors a Skyrim play-style. But I'm going to keep at it for now and see what else there is to see in this playground.

My first playthrough took 54 hours, so even if I lose interest and just drift back for another 400 hours of Skyrim, I don't feel Fallout 4 was a waste. I really do like some of the way they've done things; it's just that their way of adding more replay with randomizing and repeating quests actually makes it feel less worth replaying.

Dec 8, 2015#231

fade

Frank said:
The lack of dialog outs in this game is getting to me.

.

Wait, seriously? This is kind of a strike against getting this game for me. I like playing high charisma/speech characters.

Dec 8, 2015#232

AshburnerX

fade said:
Wait, seriously? This is kind of a strike against getting this game for me. I like playing high charisma/speech characters.

Having a high Charisma and Charisma related perks is basically good for three things in this game:

- Getting/saving more caps (but most of what you'll buy is going to be ammo and rare materials to breakdown)
- Getting laid (err... getting companions to like you more)
- Skipping steps in quest chains

It's very rare that having good Charisma will help you achieve a drastically different outcome in any scenario because virtually every scenario devolves into a boring gunfight.

I really have mixed feelings for Fallout 4, despite having played it something like 95 hours. It's not a bad GAME... but it's a bad FALLOUT game.

Dec 8, 2015#233

Frank

fade said:
Wait, seriously? This is kind of a strike against getting this game for me. I like playing high charisma/speech characters.

Yeah, high charisma means just about dick.

Oh, apparently you don't get addicted to booze or chems as easily with high charisma, because that makes sense.

Dec 8, 2015#234

Gruebeard

Frank said:
Yeah, high charisma means just about dick.

That's what he said:

AshburnerX said:
Having a high Charisma and Charisma related perks is basically good for . . . getting laid.

Also, y'all have talked me out of getting this game for a few years. I think I'm happy about that since I'd have to buy a new console or rig to play it and I'd prefer not to bother.

Dec 8, 2015#235

AshburnerX

Gruebeard said:
Also, y'all have talked me out of getting this game for a few years. I think I'm happy about that since I'd have to buy a new console or rig to play it and I'd prefer not to bother.

To be fair, they are COMPLETELY open about this. You can hook up with any companion/s (yes, poly is allowed) including the actual robots, including the actual robots that look like FLYING BALLS. They are literally like "Go nuts, we ain't gonna judge."

Dec 8, 2015#236

Gruebeard

Oh. That's not what talked me out of the game. Saints Row IV let you fuck all the companions, too. Including the robot. It's the whole thread that's talked me out of it.

Dec 8, 2015#237

sixpackshaker

I had my x-01 power armor stolen, deleted, lost.

Dec 8, 2015#238

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
I had my x-01 power armor stolen, deleted, lost.

I literally always take the power core out of my suits now to keep this from happening.

Dec 8, 2015#239

sixpackshaker

I thought the ones on the racks were safe.

And I had just upgraded the armor as much as I could.

Dec 8, 2015#240

Ravenpoe

Always take the core out of your armor, otherwise just anyone can get in it.

Dec 8, 2015#241

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
Always take the core out of your armor, otherwise just anyone can get in it.

Alternatively, store it the third level of a building you have constructed and leave nothing else up there that NPCs would want to interact with. This will minimize the amount of foot traffic near the armor and keep them from ganking it when they get hit by raiders.

Dec 8, 2015#242

Ravenpoe

Anyone else remember when Power Armor was this thing that you had to have special training for before you could even use it, because otherwise you'd break your own arm or something just trying to wear it?

And now any dirt farmer can jump in a suit, and every raider has their own set of power armor...

Dec 8, 2015#243

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
Anyone else remember when Power Armor was this thing that you had to have special training for before you could even use it, because otherwise you'd break your own arm or something just trying to wear it?

And now any dirt farmer can jump in a suit, and every raider has their own set of power armor...

I can buy Raiders having it... they could just be (poorly) self taught, as is apparent by the shoddiness of their armor. But EVERYONE is just too much.

Dec 8, 2015#244

Frank

Your character is either ex-military or a lawyer who can mix any drug out of basic components, modify any gun, build a livable house out of toy cars and rubber tires, assemble a working tv or radio out of junk, etc, all with an intelligence stat of 1. That anyone can wear power armor is not the nail in my immersion coffin.

Dec 8, 2015#245

Ravenpoe

Frank said:
Your character is either ex-military or a lawyer who can mix any drug out of basic components, modify any gun, build a livable house out of toy cars and rubber tires, assemble a working tv or radio out of junk, etc, all with an intelligence stat of 1. That anyone can wear power armor is not the nail in my immersion coffin.

The dialog system is the biggest breaker of any immersion. I'm trying to play an evil character, and it simply won't let me. Preston was telling me about the quincy massacre, and my dialog options are "Lone Survivor, You have to carry on, Quincy Massacre?, or Good riddance." I pick Good riddance, thinking I'm going to be a heartless prick, and my character says "Maybe it's time for the Minute Men to let go."

... FUCK NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! GAAARRRBLBLBBLBLBL

Dec 8, 2015#246

Frank

Yeah, it's a garbage ROLE playing game.

You can't even stop yourself from taking on the quest to become a Minuteman. I don't want to be a fucking Minuteman.

Dec 8, 2015#247

sixpackshaker

I found another set. But it was missing a leg and arm. So I cheated and consoled those parts in.

Dec 8, 2015#248

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
I found another set. But it was missing a leg and arm. So I cheated and consoled those parts in.

This is something I don't like about the game: it's entirely possible to find suits of X-01 (sans a few parts) just... sitting out in the wild. You know, that experimental power armor prototype the Enclave based their stuff on. Just... lying out in the Commonwealth.

Dec 8, 2015#249

Hailey Knight

The companion stuff is much better than the other games. Some of their stuff feels more akin to Mass Effect, in a good way. I'm hoping each has an interesting quest like Curie.

But I'm with people on the RP. Also trying to do an evil character and that pretty much comes down to either killing people or not. BUT at least most NPCs are killable. It feels like in the last couple Bethesda games, more and more NPCs who were quest-related were invincible. Not as much here, thanks to the conflicting end game factions; I've killed a lot of people.

Dec 8, 2015#250

sixpackshaker

AshburnerX said:
This is something I don't like about the game: it's entirely possible to find suits of X-01 (sans a few parts) just... sitting out in the wild. You know, that experimental power armor prototype the Enclave based their stuff on. Just... lying out in the Commonwealth.

No, those both were well protected. One on top of a tower with two powerful MOBs, the other was out in the 'sea' in a fortress guarded by 3 synths and 2 protectorons. And the second was not whole.

Dec 9, 2015#251

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
The companion stuff is much better than the other games. Some of their stuff feels more akin to Mass Effect, in a good way. I'm hoping each has an interesting quest like Curie.

But I'm with people on the RP. Also trying to do an evil character and that pretty much comes down to either killing people or not. BUT at least most NPCs are killable. It feels like in the last couple Bethesda games, more and more NPCs who were quest-related were invincible. Not as much here, thanks to the conflicting end game factions; I've killed a lot of people.

Except every companion generally acts like this:

25% Affection: You learn everything you really need to know about them.
50% Affection: You get a simple quest.
75% Affection: You get a slightly more complex quest.
100% Affection: Let's bone.

It's just... too predictable. The problem with reducing all quests to "Go to place and kill people" is that it quickly loses it's appeal. Compare that to New Vegas...

- You drag an aging ghoul around until he meets enough old guys still in the fight to let go of his own guilt regarding his sister.
- You help a shell-shocked veteran of a massacre accept what happened and learn to move on.
- You help an Elderly Nightkin grandmother decide if it's more important to stay sane or to hang onto the memories of her dead family.
- You drag the Remnants of the Enclave out of retirement to ether help save the people who sent them into hiding or to destroy them.
- Many more

ALL of these quests were more interesting than ANYTHING I've done in Fallout 4 (EXCEPT for maybe Nick and Curie's quests).

Dec 9, 2015#252

Frank

Some of them don't even really have simple quests.

Dec 9, 2015#253

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
Except every companion generally acts like this:

25% Affection: You learn everything you really need to know about them.
50% Affection: You get a simple quest.
75% Affection: You get a slightly more complex quest.
100% Affection: Let's bone.

It's just... too predictable. The problem with reducing all quests to "Go to place and kill people" is that it quickly loses it's appeal. Compare that to New Vegas...

- You drag an aging ghoul around until he meets enough old guys still in the fight to let go of his own guilt regarding his sister.
- You help a shell-shocked veteran of a massacre accept what happened and learn to move on.
- You help an Elderly Nightkin grandmother decide if it's more important to stay sane or to hang onto the memories of her dead family.
- You drag the Remnants of the Enclave out of retirement to ether help save the people who sent them into hiding or to destroy them.
- Many more

ALL of these quests were more interesting than ANYTHING I've done in Fallout 4 (EXCEPT for maybe Nick and Curie's quests).

I didn't know Fallout New Vegas companions had side quests. I was also comparing it to Skyrim, where companions are disposable meat sacks.

I've really struggled to get into New Vegas. I've tried to so many times and I don't know why it doesn't pull me in.

Dec 9, 2015#254

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
I didn't know Fallout New Vegas companions had side quests. I was also comparing it to Skyrim, where companions are disposable meat sacks.

I've really struggled to get into New Vegas. I've tried to so many times and I don't know why it doesn't pull me in.

That's because New Vegas doesn't say "Booth liked that" whenever you do something that fucks with the Legion or when you learn more about what happened at Bitter Springs. You're just supposed to know he does because he told you so when you talked to him. The transition to these sort of things is much more natural because it's all related to the character's issue and they let you know when they are ready to talk more. It's also usually clear what you need to do in order to get them to open up more. You want to help Cassidy find out what happened to her caravans? Go to their wreckage. Want Arcade to open up about his family? Show him how the people of the Mojave Wasteland are abusing technology. Want ED-E to talk about his creator? Learn about the Enclave and it's conspiracy.

You actually DO things related to their character, not just things they like. That's why most of the cast of Fallout 4 sucks.

Dec 10, 2015#255

Hailey Knight

The cast doesn't suck because their mechanic does. A character can be boring and have an interesting relationship mechanic, and a character can be interesting and have a shitty relationship mechanic. The two aren't the same thing.

Had a lot of fun with the Silver Shroud quest last night. That was silly and enjoyable, even though it was largely just killing people again.

I'm having fun with my new character because it's essentially One Punch Man Lady. Running around a run punching people's heads off is a blast, and sometimes VATs does physical criticals a la Skyrim, such as last night when I did a suplex on a guy.

Dec 10, 2015#256

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
Had a lot of fun with the Silver Shroud quest last night. That was silly and enjoyable, even though it was largely just killing people again.

I really wish Kent had been a companion though. He's literally the most likable character in the game.

Dec 11, 2015#257

PatrThom

Wondering if @Jay might be considering switching to a new line of work soon.

--Patrick

Dec 11, 2015#258

Frank

My verdict of Fallout 4:

It nailed everything I knew it would as a Bethesda game. Garbage story, bad writing, terrible RPG overall, still really fun to explore and play. All in all, fun game but a garbage, trash Fallout game.

Dec 11, 2015#259

Ravenpoe

Frank said:
My verdict of Fallout 4:

It nailed everything I knew it would as a Bethesda game. Garbage story, bad writing, terrible RPG overall, still really fun to explore and play. All in all, fun game but a garbage, trash Fallout game.

This is also my review. If you title it anything other than Fallout, it'd be a pretty good game.

Dec 11, 2015#260

Jay

PatrThom said:
Wondering if @Jay might be considering switching to a new line of work soon.

--Patrick

What?

Dec 11, 2015#261

PatrThom

Jay said:
What?

Wondered if Bethesda opening an office this close to you might be reason to ponder a career change.

--Patrick

Dec 11, 2015#262

Jay

Maybe, who knows but gaming companies are shit employers.

Dec 11, 2015#263

PatrThom

Ah, very true.

--Patrick

Dec 13, 2015#264

sixpackshaker

Level 17, killed a Deathclaw with a combat knife.

Dec 13, 2015#265

Dave

Earlier today I'm sneaking around (level 21) and I run into a couple radscorpions. One turns out to be legendary with a skull. So I run like a bitch. They give chase and I run up a small hill..and into a pair of Deathclaws...one of whom is a legendary with a skull. So I run a little back towards the radscorps and then ran sideways as they started to fight.

I don't know who won because I didn't stop running.

Dec 13, 2015#266

Hailey Knight

Dave said:
Earlier today I'm sneaking around (level 21) and I run into a couple radscorpions. One turns out to be legendary with a skull. So I run like a bitch. They give chase and I run up a small hill..and into a pair of Deathclaws...one of whom is a legendary with a skull. So I run a little back towards the radscorps and then ran sideways as they started to fight.

I don't know who won because I didn't stop running.

Man up, Dave. When you see a skull, that's not a sign to run away. That's opportunity knocking.

I always fight the skull enemies. And after five reloads or so, I always win.

Dec 13, 2015#267

Dave

I was out of ammo in my primary weapon and had very few bullets left in my secondary. I didn't have the weaponry to take on two monsters like this.

Dec 13, 2015#268

Frank

Man, I'm pretty sure the only way to die in Fallout 4 is to have that special Fatman from Arturo that fires two shells at once with the MIRV addon, for whatever reason it always detonates just after firing every 1/10 times and there's really no surviving that.

Dec 14, 2015#269

Dave

I've died a couple of times, mostly when I'm fighting something strong and something else jumps in to "help".

Oh, and I sent my damned dog away. Sneaking into a place, taking a sniping shot and then hiding until things blow over is the way to go...unless Bowser the Wonderdog runs in to attack. Way to aggro the whole fucking place, Lassie.[DOUBLEPOST=1450074897,1450074546][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and by the way, the Prima guide for this game is crazy nuts helpful. Once you've won it and want to see or get everything, this gives you all locations, all quests, all weapons/armor and their mods, bobbleheads, books...everything. Fucking thing is over 500 pages.

Dec 14, 2015#270

Squidleybits

Is it bad that I'm actually looking forward to a medical procedure next week so I will have some time to play after?

%^%$#! work.

Dec 14, 2015#271

Bubble181

Squidleybits said:
Is it bad that I'm actually looking forward to a medical procedure next week so I will have some time to play after?

%^%$#! work.

Yes, because it means you're ditching Diablo III. What did Diablo ever do to you, huh?

Dec 14, 2015#272

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I've died a couple of times, mostly when I'm fighting something strong and something else jumps in to "help".

Oh, and I sent my damned dog away. Sneaking into a place, taking a sniping shot and then hiding until things blow over is the way to go...unless Bowser the Wonderdog runs in to attack. Way to aggro the whole fucking place, Lassie.[DOUBLEPOST=1450074897,1450074546][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and by the way, the Prima guide for this game is crazy nuts helpful. Once you've won it and want to see or get everything, this gives you all locations, all quests, all weapons/armor and their mods, bobbleheads, books...everything. Fucking thing is over 500 pages.

I had to stop taking Dogmeat because he was determined to block me on every narrow walkway. Every time I'd try to move to avoid enemies, he'd be blocking the way.

Dec 14, 2015#273

Squidleybits

Bubble181 said:
Yes, because it means you're ditching Diablo III. What did Diablo ever do to you, huh?

750+ paragon levels in one season is what Diablo 3 did to me lol

Dec 14, 2015#274

Dave

Squidleybits said:
750+ paragon levels in one season is what Diablo 3 did to me lol

You are the reason I'm trying to bring the concept of game theory to my work.

Dec 14, 2015#275

Squidleybits

Lol??

Dec 14, 2015#276

Dave

Squidleybits said:
Lol??

A little. Game theory allows people to use the drive to gain achievements through routine tasks (grinding) in their daily work or schooling. It's an interesting psychological approach.

Dec 14, 2015#277

PatrThom

Squidleybits said:
750+ paragon levels in one season is what Diablo 3 did to me lol

You've been gone so long that I'm not nearly as far behind you any more.

Dave said:
A little. Game theory allows people to use the drive to gain achievements through routine tasks (grinding) in their daily work or schooling. It's an interesting psychological approach.

It works for China, where games have to be changed because the developers worry their game isn't grind-y enough.

--Patrick

Dec 14, 2015#278

Squidleybits

Overtime hours for work and health issues have pretty much eliminated my free time. What little I have is for family and photography. I actually do miss Diablo though!

Dec 15, 2015#279

Far

Ravenpoe said:
I had to stop taking Dogmeat because he was determined to block me on every narrow walkway. Every time I'd try to move to avoid enemies, he'd be blocking the way.

I can't not have him with me, beyond using the others to get their perks. Lone Wanderer isn't affected by him for some reason and the increased carry weight alone is worth it.

Dec 15, 2015#280

Frank

The fact that they decided he needs to whine every 10 seconds made me immediately stop taking him. That shit is unacceptable.

Dec 15, 2015#281

Dave

Frank said:
The fact that they decided he needs to whine every 10 seconds made me immediately stop taking him. That shit is unacceptable.

I KNOW!!! I was like, "Are you hurt?!? No? Then what the fuck?"

Dec 15, 2015#282

Frank

I don't accept that shit from my own dog, I sure as hell will not accept it from a video game dog.

Dec 16, 2015#283

Ravenpoe

"Dog has found something"

I don't even know where dog is, he doesn't show up on my map. I have no idea what he found, and by the time I find him, he will have wandered away anyway

Dec 16, 2015#284

Krisken

I've only once seen the item dogmeat has found, and it was a terrible rifle. At least I got parts out of it.

Dec 16, 2015#285

Ravenpoe

Krisken said:
I've only once seen the item dogmeat has found, and it was a terrible rifle. At least I got parts out of it.

I did have him once drop ten pipe pistols at my feet.

Dec 16, 2015#286

Dave

"Dogmeat has found an enemy!"

Oh, you mean that blinking super mutant I'm trying to hide from so he doesn't blow me to pieces? That enemy? Thanks, Rin-tin-dim.

Dec 23, 2015#287

Ravenpoe

This is me at level 1. Dogmeat gives no fucks about master level locks.

Dec 28, 2015#288

Dave

Hey! There's a settlement under attack! So I go there, Cait in tow. Nothing. Everything is quiet. So I sit around. Nothing. Finally I say fuck that and leave. I get maybe two minutes away when there's a burst of gunfire and a message that I failed the quest. Okay, fuckers. F9. I had quicksaved before I left. So I sit there. Nothing. I sat there for at LEAST a half hour. Nothing. So I save again and say fuck it, but this time I listen closely. Less than two minutes away when GUNFIRE! So I run back to see the settlers running around like idiot, my sentry cannons oddly silent. The only movement I see is a lone cow being chased away, the settlers dead set on killing that fucker. So I off it with one mighty blow from my EXPLODING COMBAT SHOTGUN, which pisses the settlers right off. They all start attacking me.

F9. See ya. I don't care if your whole stupid settlement burns down. I'm sick of waiting.

Dec 28, 2015#289

AshburnerX

Dave said:
Hey! There's a settlement under attack! So I go there, Cait in tow. Nothing. Everything is quiet. So I sit around. Nothing. Finally I say fuck that and leave. I get maybe two minutes away when there's a burst of gunfire and a message that I failed the quest. Okay, fuckers. F9. I had quicksaved before I left. So I sit there. Nothing. I sat there for at LEAST a half hour. Nothing. So I save again and say fuck it, but this time I listen closely. Less than two minutes away when GUNFIRE! So I run back to see the settlers running around like idiot, my sentry cannons oddly silent. The only movement I see is a lone cow being chased away, the settlers dead set on killing that fucker. So I off it with one mighty blow from my EXPLODING COMBAT SHOTGUN, which pisses the settlers right off. They all start attacking me.

F9. See ya. I don't care if your whole stupid settlement burns down. I'm sick of waiting.

This sort of thing is why I have more turrets than people at basically every settlement and why they are mostly on the outside facing out: the SECOND a raider shows up, it gets instantly annihilated. For the record, the range of laser turrets is about 3/4ths the length of the bridge leading out of Sanctuary or so the PILE OF BODIES tells me.

Dec 28, 2015#290

Krisken

Huh, I have never had Sanctuary attacked.

Dec 28, 2015#291

AshburnerX

Krisken said:
Huh, I have never had Sanctuary attacked.

Sanctuary will only be attacked if you have less defense than you have food, water, and people combined I believe...

Except after you visit the Institute, in which case you ALWAYS have a chance of one of your settlers being a synth and causing synths to attack. You'll always know which one it was because they will be dead after the attack and have synth parts on them.

Dec 28, 2015#292

Ravenpoe

This is why I just don't build settlements.

In fact, once I figured out that this wasn't a roleplaying game, and that none of the dialogue made any difference, and that none of my choices outside of some faction paths matter, I remade my character as a power armor heavy weapon wielding killing machine and just started killing everything.

Dec 28, 2015#293

Dave

So I hit F9 again because I have some sort of masochistic tendencies, and I jumped from platform to platform using my jet pack. Suddenly the whole place went batshit crazy and started firing into the trees. Here it is! I thought. Instead, that brahmin takes off running with the whole god damned settlement on its tail. They run almost all the way to the railyard hardly scratching the damned thing, so I blew it away. Which caused everyone to start shooting at ME again. Oh they want it dead, but they won't tolerate anyone else doing the job.

I'm going to F9 one more time. If nothing happens I'm going to take away all their food and watch them all starve. I'm Brotherhood of Steel, mother fuckers. You are either for me or against me.

Dec 28, 2015#294

AshburnerX

Dave said:
So I hit F9 again because I have some sort of masochistic tendencies, and I jumped from platform to platform using my jet pack. Suddenly the whole place went batshit crazy and started firing into the trees. Here it is! I thought. Instead, that brahmin takes off running with the whole god damned settlement on its tail. They run almost all the way to the railyard hardly scratching the damned thing, so I blew it away. Which caused everyone to start shooting at ME again. Oh they want it dead, but they won't tolerate anyone else doing the job.

I'm going to F9 one more time. If nothing happens I'm going to take away all their food and watch them all starve. I'm Brotherhood of Steel, mother fuckers. You are either for me or against me.

Why don't you just build walls quickly to keep it from escaping? Or quickly give them some REALLY good weapons to drop it fast?

Dec 28, 2015#295

Dave

AshburnerX said:
Why don't you just build walls quickly to keep it from escaping? Or quickly give them some REALLY good weapons to drop it fast?

It's already outside. And they don't need any damned weapons. Peasants.

Dec 28, 2015#296

Frank

This will probably be the first Fallout game I don't finish.

And I beat Brotherhood of Steel.

Dec 28, 2015#297

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
This will probably be the first Fallout game I don't finish.

And I beat Brotherhood of Steel.

By finish, you mean doing everything or completing the main quest?

Dec 28, 2015#298

Frank

Zero Esc said:
By finish, you mean doing everything or completing the main quest?

I mean the main quest.

Dec 29, 2015#299

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
I mean the main quest.

Just out of curiosity, how far are you? If you're at a certain point and it hasn't grabbed you, it probably never will, but if you're not there yet, you should at least get that far.

Dec 29, 2015#300

Krisken

Imavoiding the main quest like the plague. Once I realized I would have to choose factions I just stopped having interest. What can I say, I like everyone unless they jump in front of my scope while I am aiming at an enemy.

Dec 29, 2015#301

Frank

Zero Esc said:
Just out of curiosity, how far are you? If you're at a certain point and it hasn't grabbed you, it probably never will, but if you're not there yet, you should at least get that far.

I just hate the way it plays out. Being forced to kill all the other factions (I was Brotherhood) in order to proceed. I just stopped caring.

Everything in this fucking game comes down to kill everything. Every God damn quest.

Dec 29, 2015#302

Ravenpoe

Frank said:
I just hate the way it plays out. Being forced to kill all the other factions (I was Brotherhood) in order to proceed. I just stopped caring.

Everything in this fucking game comes down to kill everything. Every God damn quest.

All the different ways you can build your character boil down to "how do you want to kill everyone?" Every branching quest path is basically "Who do you want to kill?" Like I said, when I realized this is just a narrative shooter and not one of those pesky rpgs with plot, I had a better time at understanding it.

Dec 29, 2015#303

Hailey Knight

Guy Beats Fallout 4 Without Killing Anyone

... technically.

Jan 6, 2016#304

AshburnerX

Jan 6, 2016#305

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:

I think you just killed my wife, cause she can't breathe from laughing.

Jan 7, 2016#306

Dave

Dude did God Mode off screen. He lost NO health during that. Drugs are nice, yeah, but they don't make you invulnerable.

Jan 7, 2016#307

sixpackshaker

But he did a crap ton, heck just one Nuka Quantum can get you through most fights.

Jan 7, 2016#308

Dave

sixpackshaker said:
But he did a crap ton, heck just one Nuka Quantum can get you through most fights.

The bar will still move as you take damage, especially since he was being shot and flames while he walked slowly. I call shenanigans.

Jan 7, 2016#309

sixpackshaker

I also feel that the character should have died from taking so many drugs at once. Unless you are playing Keef Richards.

Jan 7, 2016#310

PatrThom

sixpackshaker said:
I also feel that the character should have died from taking so many drugs at once. Unless you are playing Keef Richards.

That would be an interesting mod. Lose health if you AREN'T addicted to stuff.

--Patrick

Jan 7, 2016#311

Frank

Dave said:
The bar will still move as you take damage, especially since he was being shot and flames while he walked slowly. I call shenanigans.

It does at the beginning of the run after all the drugs, it noticeably ticks slightly. Once he takes care of some of the enemies the health regen is too much for any damage he's taking.

Jan 7, 2016#312

AshburnerX

Frank said:
It does at the beginning of the run after all the drugs, it noticeably ticks slightly. Once he takes care of some of the enemies the health regen is too much for any damage he's taking.

What Frank said. He just had so much incoming healing from multiple sources that it didn't matter.

Jan 7, 2016#313

Dave

You guys are right. I watched it small screen the first time and just couldn't see it. Wild.

Jan 7, 2016#314

Ravenpoe

Sure, Mama Murphy, I'll build you a chair...

Jan 9, 2016#315

Hailey Knight

Reeeeally hoping my wife's infatuation with Fallout 4 ends by the time Dark Souls 3 comes out. How she's still playing that game near-nightly is beyond me. I should see how many hours she's put in by now.

Jan 9, 2016#316

Frank

It's funny. Steam says I played it for 369 hours.

200 of those hours were me leaving it on and leaving the house.

At least 100 of those were me actually playing, but losing interest and alt tabbing.

Jan 9, 2016#317

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
Reeeeally hoping my wife's infatuation with Fallout 4 ends by the time Dark Souls 3 comes out. How she's still playing that game near-nightly is beyond me. I should see how many hours she's put in by now.

Despite being a terrible Fallout game, I really enjoyed making builds in FO4. My gives no shits max luck gunslinger was my favorite.

But ultimately, it made me start playing Skyrim again.

Jan 9, 2016#318

Hailey Knight

Frank said:
It's funny. Steam says I played it for 369 hours.

200 of those hours were me leaving it on and leaving the house.

At least 100 of those were me actually playing, but losing interest and alt tabbing.

Wow, it really put you off. Well I know she's been sitting and playing, dedicated, whatever her current total is.

Ravenpoe said:
Despite being a terrible Fallout game, I really enjoyed making builds in FO4. My gives no shits max luck gunslinger was my favorite.

But ultimately, it made me start playing Skyrim again.

^I also felt like Skyrim, but didn't.

Also had the total luck character, which was fun. The max strength build is fun, too. That said, eventually I got sick of just killing things in this wasteland. I had fun and I can see others having fun, but my wife now feels obligated to build the best settlements, rescue anyone kidnapped, etc., like these dumb NPCs are her babies.

What I really don't get is that she stopped playing New Vegas for this. Granted, New Vegas's infamous bugginess ended up making progress impossible for the final DLC, and that put her off from doing the end of the main quest, but still. I'm just amazed this one's held her interest for so long after all the time she's put into Oblivion, Skyrim, and New Vegas.

Jan 10, 2016#319

Hailey Knight

Well, last night was hilarious ... sort of. Also feel bad for my wife.

She had a couple hours to play and she intended to get on with the main quest, the next step involving a fast travel to a certain location and then talking to someone.

She fast traveled there three times, and each time she got interrupted by a Minutemen quest popping up the moment the new area loaded. SO she had to travel back to help this settlement or rescue someone yet again for Abernathy Farm. And while out, she'd receive more. All the while getting more and more aggravated. While busy sorting out one kidnapping, she failed a quest to assist the Castle. She went over there and most of her stuff was trashed--she was pissed and thus began the anti-babysitting rant. I kind of wish I could've recorded it.

ANYWAY, at the next kidnapping she said "Fuck it, I just have to talk to someone, it'll take two minutes." So she fast-traveled, talked to the person, and left their home.

Immediately four Quest Failed things flashed over the screen for the Minutemen.

"I don't care. I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE. THEY CAN ALL FUCKING DIE! I JUST WANNA SAVE MY SON!"

So in two hours, she got two minutes done of what she wanted to do, and the rest was all Minutemen interruptions. I'm so glad I went with the Brotherhood. In any case, I think she's done with Minutemen stuff; it's just stopping the game from being fun for her. It's really stupid that no matter how much defense you post up, the settlement gets trashed if you're not there to save the day.

Jan 10, 2016#320

Dave

Yup. My next playthrough is Institute. (I "finished" BoS a couple days ago.) When Garvey asks me if I want to join the brotherhood I'm going to say no.

Jan 22, 2016#321

Hailey Knight

Wife finished it tonight. She went with the Railroad at the end (like it matters).

I know I was laughing earlier, but I felt bad for her tonight. She'd been into this game like crazy before, but by the end of it tonight she was so disappointed. Every criticism she had for it that she'd been overlooking just came to light when she realized this was it, even if she'd joined another faction. "There's no point in playing again," she said, and I had nothing to dissuade her by.

She's probably going back to New Vegas in a day or so.

Feb 10, 2016#322

Eriol

This guy has a great point IMO:

Basically saying that a lot of perks in Fallout 4 (and Skyrim) have the "take this or you suck" component to them. Skyrim less so, but still somewhat in that you had to take the "swords do 20/40/60/80/100% more dmg" to just "keep up" but at least there were skills there. But in FO4, it's more "when you level, enemies get more powerful, but you don't, you MUST take these many many perks or you suck."

I agree with him. In Skyrim I went so far as to just give myself the perks for "more damage" through the console, because it didn't seem right I just didn't get better via more skill. He makes a good point about the similar perks in FO4. I think in the video he over-emphasizes the "game breaking/changing" aspect that perks have had in other games, but either way, if there's a leveling system (but no skill system), it should be the main point of how powerful you are, and not need another aspect on top of it.

IMO Oblivion got this mostly right. Higher skills, more "interesting" abilities attached to those skills. The part I disagreed with in that game was that magic was strictly locked out if you were below the "apprentice/novice/expert/master" threshold, unlike Morrowind (and later Skyrim) where they were just harder and/or more expensive, but not forbidden. But again, I agree that FO4 has that aspect wrong.

The problem is that to fix it, you'd need to scale back the level system DRASTICALLY because there's just so MANY perks, that having a surplus that large from not needing the "growth" ones that you'd be superpowered. The obvious answer (to me) for FO4 is back to a more FO3-like system for levels where there's much fewer levels (was it 25 or 30 was the max for that game, with expansions?) and perks available. But that'd be quite an overhaul!

Feb 10, 2016#323

Hailey Knight

I don't really agree. Fallout 4 is a little more difficult than the others, but neither of these games is all that challenging. I'm not saying that to sound like a real Dovakin, but there's enough versatility in skills for you not to bother. I don't take those damage boosters. Getting better equipment is way more fun AND you get to pick the other kinds of skills.

Feb 10, 2016#324

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
I don't really agree. Fallout 4 is a little more difficult than the others, but neither of these games is all that challenging. I'm not saying that to sound like a real Dovakin, but there's enough versatility in skills for you not to bother. I don't take those damage boosters. Getting better equipment is way more fun AND you get to pick the other kinds of skills.

The points he makes are true if you are playing on the hardest difficulty, but anything below that it doesn't really matter. I've played many (MANY) a skyrim character that took no combat perks at all, and still did just fine, and was playing on whatever is right under the most difficult setting.

The main problem with Fallout 4 isn't that you're forced to take these combat perks, but that there's really no point not to. Combat is all you do in that game, and no other perks really matter.

Feb 10, 2016#325

sixpackshaker

There should be a split between combat and role playing perks (trading, modding, crafting and settlement building) and then give you one perk each per level. I did one character that was all combat, but ended up poor and bored because I could not build settlements or trade worth a damn.

Feb 18, 2016#326

bhamv3

So... Fallout 4 just won Game of the Year at the DICE Awards. It also won best RPG/MMO. It's worth pointing out that Witcher 3 was also in both categories.

Feb 19, 2016#327

AshburnerX

bhamv3 said:
So... Fallout 4 just won Game of the Year at the DICE Awards. It also won best RPG/MMO. It's worth pointing out that Witcher 3 was also in both categories.

DICE has always favored American and Canadian studios and CD Projekt is based in Warsaw, Poland. The only time foreign devs REALLY become darlings at DICE is when they do something so completely off the wall that everyone needs to take notice (like SWERY was with Deadly Premonition). This is unsurprising to say the least, especially with the DICE voting pool as stacked as it is.

Feb 19, 2016#328

Hailey Knight

I haven't even played Witcher 3 and I know it's a better game than Fallout 4.

Feb 19, 2016#329

Terrik

bhamv3 said:
So... Fallout 4 just won Game of the Year at the DICE Awards. It also won best RPG/MMO. It's worth pointing out that Witcher 3 was also in both categories.

Witcher 3 wrecks Fallout 4 in every conceivable way.

Feb 20, 2016#330

Hailey Knight

From my wife's playthrough:

Even when you're trying to have a conversation, the game can't go without reminding you "Hey, this is about killing, get back to the killing, guns, murder, violence, FIRE, that's what's up!"

Feb 25, 2016#331

Dave

So the Season Pass is only $30 for now. As of March 1 the price goes up $10. I got an email today from Bundle Stars telling me that it's 15% off. So, I says, this would be the perfect time to get it. So I did. When I tried to activate it I find that I'd already bought the DLC last November and forgot.

So...does anyone want a Season Pass DLC for Fallout 4? For free?

Feb 25, 2016#332

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
So the Season Pass is only $30 for now. As of March 1 the price goes up $10. I got an email today from Bundle Stars telling me that it's 15% off. So, I says, this would be the perfect time to get it. So I did. When I tried to activate it I find that I'd already bought the DLC last November and forgot.

So...does anyone want a Season Pass DLC for Fallout 4? For free?

I'll take it. I'm against season passes and preorders, but I'm for receiving free stuff.

Feb 25, 2016#333

Dave

And done.

Feb 25, 2016#334

sixpackshaker

I have at least 4 characters over level 40. Last week I finally discovered that not all of the assault rifles are fully automatic. I am pretty ticked off. Nearly all of my characters have some points in Rifleman. Since the assault rifle is built like a bloody WWI machine gun, I assumed incorrectly that I had no business using one. Since I view fully auto weapons a waste of ammo that is hard to only scrounge up.

I finally read up on the Assault Rifle and saw half of the mods are for semi-auto receivers. So I modded one up, short barrel, recon scope, suppressor. The damn thing hardly moves when rapid firing. My combat rifle, if I am manually aiming, I aim for the MOB's right knee and fire 3 times. First shot hits the knee the second the gut and the third, the left shoulder. Then reacquire my aim point and fire 3 more times.

With the assault rifle just aim for the gut and fast click until the MOB is rapidly dead.

I had already sold off all my 5.56 ammunition on this character. Luckily I am a Purified Water and Jet dealer. And have way too much money.

Feb 25, 2016#335

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
I have at least 4 characters over level 40. Last week I finally discovered that not all of the assault rifles are fully automatic. I am pretty ticked off. Nearly all of my characters have some points in Rifleman. Since the assault rifle is built like a bloody WWI machine gun, I assumed incorrectly that I had no business using one. Since I view fully auto weapons a waste of ammo that is hard to only scrounge up.

I finally read up on the Assault Rifle and saw half of the mods are for semi-auto receivers. So I modded one up, short barrel, recon scope, suppressor. The damn thing hardly moves when rapid firing. My combat rifle, if I am manually aiming, I aim for the MOB's right knee and fire 3 times. First shot hits the knee the second the gut and the third, the left shoulder. Then reacquire my aim point and fire 3 more times.

With the assault rifle just aim for the gut and fast click until the MOB is rapidly dead.

I had already sold off all my 5.56 ammunition on this character. Luckily I am a Purified Water and Jet dealer. And have way too much money.

Automatic weapons are actually really nice when you've got your points into them... but yeah, you basically spend most of your money on ammo. Then again, a full-auto laser shotgun is something pretty scary to behold.

Feb 25, 2016#336

Dave

There's a mod where you can craft ammo like you could in Fallout 3. It's glorious.[DOUBLEPOST=1456440941,1456440780][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and the new "Survival Mode"?

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Is the struggle of this world merely a pleasant game for you? Do you long for a more brutal take on a life lived post apocalypse?
 
If you answered "Yes and yes!", then Survival difficulty is for you!
Survival upends many of the rules of life in the Commonwealth for maximum challenge. For a full list of these changes, see below.
 
To enable Survival, press [Pause], select "Settings," then "Gameplay" and choose "Survival" from the "Difficulty" options.
 
Saving
 
Manual and quicksaving are disabled. To save your game, you'll need to find a bed and sleep for at least an hour.
 
Combat
 
Combat is more lethal for everyone. You now deal, but also take, more damage. You can increase the damage you deal even further with "Adrenaline" (see below).
 
Fast Travel
 
Fast Travel is disabled. If you wish to be somewhere, you'll have to physically travel there.
 
Weighted Ammo
 
Bullets and shells now all have a small amount of weight, which varies by caliber. Heavier items such as fusion cores, rockets, and mini-nukes can really drag you down.
 
Compass
 
Be sure to keep your eyes peeled, as enemies will no longer appear on your compass. As well, the distance at which locations of interest will appear has been significantly shortened.
 
Adrenaline
 
Survival automatically grants the Adrenaline perk, which provides a bonus to your damage output. Unlike other perks, the only way to increase your rank of the Adrenaline perk is by getting kills (hostile or otherwise). The higher your Adrenaline rank, the higher the damage bonus. Sleeping for more than an hour, however, will cause your Adrenaline rank to lower. You can check your current Adrenaline rank at any time in the Perks section on the Stat tab in your Pip-Boy.
 
Wellness
 
You'll find it difficult to survive without taking proper care of yourself. You must stay hydrated, fed, and rested to remain combat-ready. 
 
Going for extended periods of time without food, water, or sleep will begin to adversely affect your health, hurting your SPECIAL stats, adding to your Fatigue (see "Fatigue" below), lowering your immunity (see "Sickness" below), and eventually even dealing physical damage to you.
 
Fatigue
 
Fatigue works like radiation but affects your Action Points (AP) rather than your Hit Points (HP). The more Fatigue you've built up, the less AP you'll have for other actions. The amount of Fatigue you've accumulated is displayed in red on your AP bar.
 
Sickness
 
A comprised immune system and a few questionable decisions can end up getting you killed. Eating uncooked meat, drinking unpurified water, taking damage from disease-ridden sources, such as ghouls and bugs, or using harmful Chems all put your body at increased risk for various ill effects. When you are afflicted with an illness, a message will appear onscreen. You can view specifics about your current illnesses by navigating to the Status section on your Pip-Boy's Data tab and pressing [RShoulder] to view your active effects.
 
Antibiotics
 
Antibiotics, which can be crafted at Chem Stations or purchased from doctors, heal the various effects of sickness.
 
Bed Types
 
The type of bed you're sleeping in determines the length of time you are able to stay asleep. A sleeping bag will save your game and may help save your life when you're desperate, but it will never allow for a full night's rest and the benefits that come with it.
 
Crippled Limbs
 
Crippled limbs will no longer auto-heal after combat and will remain crippled until healed by a Stimpak.
 
Carry Weight
 
Exceeding your carry weight reduces your Endurance and Agility stats and periodically damages your legs and health. Think of your back!
 
Companions
 
Companions will no longer automatically get back up if downed during combat and will return home if abandoned without being healed.
 
Enemy and Loot Repopulation
 
Locations you've cleared will now repopulate enemies and loot at a significantly slower rate.

Feb 25, 2016#337

sixpackshaker

I hated crafting ammo in New Vegas, the DAMN CANS weighed too GOTTAMM much.

Feb 25, 2016#338

Dave

sixpackshaker said:
I hated crafting ammo in New Vegas, the DAMN CANS weighed too GOTTAMM much.

It's a lot easier in this game thanks to the workbench. You don't have to be carrying the DAMN CANS all over. Just store them until you need them.

Feb 25, 2016#339

sixpackshaker

Dave said:
It's a lot easier in this game thanks to the workbench. You don't have to be carrying the DAMN CANS all over. Just store them until you need them.

Thankfully the cans don't weigh a pound each in 4. Sometimes I wonder if Bethesda and Obsidian owns a scale between them.

Feb 25, 2016#340

bhamv3

A comprised immune system

*twitch*

Mar 24, 2016#341

sixpackshaker

The DLC is out Automatron (or something). I can't decide if I want to start over, use a level 15 power armor user, or use one of my stealth snipers that are over level 60.

Mar 24, 2016#342

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
The DLC is out Automatron (or something). I can't decide if I want to start over, use a level 15 power armor user, or use one of my stealth snipers that are over level 60.

I sort of feel like you NEED to build a character a certain way to get the most out of Automatron. To get all of the content it offers you need points in...

- Armorsmith
- Blacksmith
- Gun Nut
- Science!
- Robot Expert

... and you you're going to want points in Scavenger to get some of the components. This basically means you need to go hard into Strength and Intelligence stuff. It's worth it though... you can make a lot of cool shit.

Mar 24, 2016#343

sixpackshaker

The Power Armor toon has the strength and intel to get the perks. But damn, it will be one under powered character. But the Bot will likely be the one doing the destroying now.

Mar 24, 2016#344

Dave

And I can't play it thanks to the PC being down. Thanks, Obama.

Mar 25, 2016#345

Eriol

AshburnerX said:
I sort of feel like you NEED to build a character a certain way to get the most out of Automatron. To get all of the content it offers you need points in...

- Armorsmith
- Blacksmith
- Gun Nut
- Science!
- Robot Expert

... and you you're going to want points in Scavenger to get some of the components. This basically means you need to go hard into Strength and Intelligence stuff. It's worth it though... you can make a lot of cool shit.

I had all of those (except blacksmith, who cares if it can melee?) on my current character.

I know, weird, but fun build. And the great part is you can outfit them as either Cait or Nick for lockpick or hack, so you only need to take one of the "get through shit" perk trees.

Overall, I just wish it came with more of a manual for what you can do, like make robots to do the settlement work and such. Which is great, but doesn't tell you that you can.

Mar 25, 2016#346

Dave

I loaded this on my gaming laptop and crossed my fingers. No dice. *sigh*

Mar 25, 2016#347

AshburnerX

Eriol said:
I had all of those (except blacksmith, who cares if it can melee?) on my current character.

I know, weird, but fun build. And the great part is you can outfit them as either Cait or Nick for lockpick or hack, so you only need to take one of the "get through shit" perk trees.

Overall, I just wish it came with more of a manual for what you can do, like make robots to do the settlement work and such. Which is great, but doesn't tell you that you can.

Actually, the melee options are all excellent, as well as much easier to make than stuff like missile launchers or lasers... and since most of the better robot armors give special effects to melee (like rad damage or bleeds), it can be worth it to invest in melee options for your robot. Just make sure you're using vast, agile legs like Assaultron or Mr. Gutsy thrusters.

Mar 25, 2016#348

Eriol

I actually don't use missile launchers in companions. Or anything related. Too many bad experiences in the past with friendly fire. But the melee thing is probably true. Enemies in this game often like getting in close.

And I can say that while the carrying capacity of the sentry legs is awesome, not worth the "they can get around ANYTHING because they're too big" factor.

Mar 25, 2016#349

AshburnerX

Eriol said:
I actually don't use missile launchers in companions. Or anything related. Too many bad experiences in the past with friendly fire. But the melee thing is probably true. Enemies in this game often like getting in close.

And I can say that while the carrying capacity of the sentry legs is awesome, not worth the "they can get around ANYTHING because they're too big" factor.

An option I would have like would have been the ability to call your robots to your location. Then it suddenly makes sense to make a huge Sentry Robot that can carry a ton of stuff: you call him outside of the place you just looted and he takes it back to Sanctuary or where ever he's assigned.

Mar 25, 2016#350

Ravenpoe

AshburnerX said:
An option I would have like would have been the ability to call your robots to your location. Then it suddenly makes sense to make a huge Sentry Robot that can carry a ton of stuff: you call him outside of the place you just looted and he takes it back to Sanctuary or where ever he's assigned.

I'm sure that'll be a mod.

Mar 26, 2016#351

PatrThom

Dave said:
I loaded this on my gaming laptop and crossed my fingers. No dice. *sigh*

Sorry we don't live closer together, Dave.

--Patrick

Mar 26, 2016#352

Dave

PatrThom said:
Sorry we don't live closer together, Dave.

--Patrick

No worries. I just have to figure things out. Going to have to wait a bot before I can fix it, though.

Only thing that really messes with me is the Plex server is on my desktop. All those movies I can't watch...

May 19, 2016#353

sixpackshaker

I got Far Harbor installed and I did the first couple of quests to get there and defend the town. It looks like it is going to be cool. But I am afraid that I will trivialize the content with my high level character.

May 20, 2016#354

Eriol

sixpackshaker said:
I got Far Harbor installed and I did the first couple of quests to get there and defend the town. It looks like it is going to be cool. But I am afraid that I will trivialize the content with my high level character.

I thought the marketing for it was that it was designed to accommodate high-level play? Or did that not end up happening?

May 20, 2016#355

sixpackshaker

Eriol said:
I thought the marketing for it was that it was designed to accommodate high-level play? Or did that not end up happening?

By level 40 your character is a god, mine is level 87.

I have only done a little in the game so far. The MOBs are a bit tougher. But I've only hit the intro quests.

May 20, 2016#356

AshburnerX

Yeah... probably with being level 47 is when they send leveled spawns at you. Unlocked the settlement on the island, go there to set up, and immediately get rushed by -6- Glowing Gulpers AND a Glowing Fog Crawler. They immediately killed my settlers and then made short work of me, even in the power armor.

Really like the Radium rifle though.

Nov 3, 2016#357

sixpackshaker

I am doing a new Power Armor play through. I wanted to get the BoS to show up early so I could get T-60 armor and a Gatling laser. I still just had a mini-gun when I went to the Fort to get Kellogg. I know that Kellogg would be a really hard kill with this build and the mini-gun. I am pretty sure he stealth boy and hid damage resist would mean my certain death. So when I finally made it to the room where he is hiding... I entered the door and shot him with a Fat-Man (mini-nuke.)

It was a boring conversation anyway.

Nov 3, 2016#358

Ravenpoe

sixpackshaker said:
I am doing a new Power Armor play through. I wanted to get the BoS to show up early so I could get T-60 armor and a Gatling laser. I still just had a mini-gun when I went to the Fort to get Kellogg. I know that Kellogg would be a really hard kill with this build and the mini-gun. I am pretty sure he stealth boy and hid damage resist would mean my certain death. So when I finally made it to the room where he is hiding... I entered the door and shot him with a Fat-Man (mini-nuke.)

It was a boring conversation anyway.

That's the brotherhood way.

If you're going gatling laser, make sure to do the nuka world dlc, because there's a legendary gatling laser with unlimited ammo

Nov 5, 2016#359

sixpackshaker

I keep hitting allies of Nick, and one stray bullet causes him to go medieval on my ass.

Feb 2, 2017#360

sixpackshaker

I hate Synths...

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