Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

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Dubyamn

Bones said:
is this also true when a POC dresses up as a "white" character? or when I dress up as a Klingon? i mean Klingons are brown and predominately played by African american actors. I am just trying to understand the root of this statement other than social justice run amok? to be clear im not arguing for or against at this point, just clarification of the statement given.
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Now dressing up as another culture is called cultural appreciation and I personally have been unable to really wrap my brain around how it's bad so I'm not really going to go into it.

Blackface on the other hand has a long and shitty history from minstrel shows where whites would dress up as blacks in blackface and make a whole production of how shitty and stupid they thought blacks were.

Nowadays somebody uses blackface they probably aren't trying to make fun of blacks but the history is still there. Think of it like the swatstika or a Confederate flag. You may mean nothing by it but it takes a certain kind of person to wave a swatstika , fly a Confederate flag or wear blackface and you don't want to be that kind of person.

So I say dress up like a Klingon or Heimdall or whoever you want but keep the shoe polish off your face.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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Dubyamn said:
Now dressing up as another culture is called cultural appreciation and I personally have been unable to really wrap my brain around how it's bad so I'm not really going to go into it.
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Cultural appropriation, and it's a difficult subject because cultural diffusion also happens. In short, though, cultural appropriation is what happens when an invasive or dominant culture takes elements of another culture in a manner that is disrespectful, demeaning, or outright harmful to the minority culture. White southerners publishing soul food cookbooks as their "family recipes" is cultural appropriation, because those recipes pretty much always came from black slaves, not some white grandma. Specifically regarding costumes, "sexy 'Indian' (Native American)" is cultural appropriation because women of color are sexualized in a pervasive way that is exploitative and dressing up in such costumes perpetuates a stereotype that leads to sexual exploitation.

Southwest egg rolls, Spam musubi, and even spaghetti and meatballs are all cultural diffusion. As cultures spread and intermingle, ingredients from one culture get used in recipes from another, or recipes are adapted to use available ingredients. On the other hand, a white chef bragging about how how he took Oriental recipes and made them fine dining by using his training in classic French cuisine is cultural appropriation. How to draw the line between the two is not easy, but it's important to note that cultural appropriation does exist.
 
Bones

Bones

PatrThom said:
You know...like Easter. Or Christmas.

--Patrick
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you fucking savage! that was the rawest response to "what is cultural appropriation" i have ever seen.
Dubyamn said:
Now dressing up as another culture is called cultural appreciation and I personally have been unable to really wrap my brain around how it's bad so I'm not really going to go into it.

Blackface on the other hand has a long and shitty history from minstrel shows where whites would dress up as blacks in blackface and make a whole production of how shitty and stupid they thought blacks were.

Nowadays somebody uses blackface they probably aren't trying to make fun of blacks but the history is still there. Think of it like the swatstika or a Confederate flag. You may mean nothing by it but it takes a certain kind of person to wave a swatstika , fly a Confederate flag or wear blackface and you don't want to be that kind of person.

So I say dress up like a Klingon or Heimdall or whoever you want but keep the shoe polish off your face.
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see the problem is the Pyke is a character from the game League of Legends, he doesn't represent any particular culture other than our history of sailing and of whaling. I still wouldn't call what she came up with black face. What she did was make a latex application/mask that made her look like the darker skinned, bald, male character she was cosplaying.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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Oh, but the stupid list of reasons for keeping tips:

- Rich assholes who like cheating the system by not tipping
- Idiots who think they get better service because they withhold tips for arbitrary reasons.
- Servers who think they're gaming the system by getting "tax-free" cash tips.
- Servers who dream of randomly getting tips big enough to pay for their college education
- The math challenged who just want to see lower prices on the menu.
- The complete non-sequitur claiming this will raise the prices of other goods
 
Dave

Dave

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He's only posted under that name a few times. So while it's news, it's not that interesting.

Of course, posting anonymously is rather cowardly. If you want to criticize, do it under your own name. Be a leader, not a troll.
 
Frank

Frank

He also proved that he's an unabashed homophobe liking garbage about man and woman being the only acceptable way and shit like that. Fuck Romney in his cowardly party line towing ass.
 
Tress

Tress

Dave said:
He's only posted under that name a few times. So while it's news, it's not that interesting.

Of course, posting anonymously is rather cowardly. If you want to criticize, do it under your own name. Be a leader, not a troll.
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That's right! No one worth a damn would publish something anonymously.
 
Dave

Dave

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You make an excellent point with that, but I would say that there's a difference between what they were trying to accomplish was different in both scope and reason than anonymous Twitter criticisms of the president.

The Federalist papers were anonymous to make the arguments hold more weight and be judged on the strengths of their own merits. Twitter posts are just white noise, with the scope and number of idiots able to post anything they want. Hell, I can post to Twitter, so you know it's an open field of stupidity.

Romney is hiding behind a pseudonym not because he's trying to make a difference, but because he's too cowardly to go against his own party using his own name.
 
Tress

Tress

Dave said:
You make an excellent point with that, but I would say that there's a difference between what they were trying to accomplish was different in both scope and reason than anonymous Twitter criticisms of the president.

The Federalist papers were anonymous to make the arguments hold more weight and be judged on the strengths of their own merits. Twitter posts are just white noise, with the scope and number of idiots able to post anything they want. Hell, I can post to Twitter, so you know it's an open field of stupidity.

Romney is hiding behind a pseudonym not because he's trying to make a difference, but because he's too cowardly to go against his own party using his own name.
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I'm just giving you a hard time. There is definitely a huge difference between well-written essays and taking potshots from a burner account on Twitter. I do think it was a chickenshit way to be critical of the president without possibly losing votes.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

At least Kasich has been man enough to publicly state he's changed his mind and is now in favour of impeachment. Not removal from office, mind, but still.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Bubble181 said:
in favour of impeachment. Not removal from office, mind, but still.
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...how can you be for impeachment but not removal? That's like saying, "Sure, he's been convicted of crimes against the State, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to work for him."

--Patrick
 
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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Bubble181 said:
At least Kasich has been man enough to publicly state he's changed his mind and is now in favour of impeachment. Not removal from office, mind, but still.
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Kasich wants impeachment because he wants to run for president. He's on the outs in Ohio proper, but his national view is still good because of his 2016 performance. That's the only reason he's doing it.
 
Frank

Frank

They got their SCOTUS picks in trade for literally making the US less reliable than Russia globally. I would trust Xi or Putin over Trump.
 
Dave

Dave

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This part is particularly telling:

[Roberts] conceded that the ruling may enable increasingly inequitable political representation, but said that such a result does not violate any constitutional mandate where no standard for determination exists.
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So in effect, yeah, we know it'll stop disadvantaged people from voting and will be used for racial discrimination, but so what? I mean, he already said that it was fine to racially profile and put in rules to prevent minorities from voting so why would we expect anything different. It's just a coincidence that this ruling favored republicans and racist states, right?
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

He specifically called out the part about racism:
[Roberts] conceded that the ruling may enable increasingly inequitable political representation, but said that such a result does not violate any constitutional mandate where no standard for determination exists. Roberts did not prevent the court from intervening in cases of racial gerrymandering.
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In other words, Gerrymandering by itself is technically not against the Constitution, but if it can be shown that the gerrymandering was done on basis of race, then it's bad.

--Patrick
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

PatrThom said:
He specifically called out the part about racism:

In other words, Gerrymandering by itself is technically not against the Constitution, but if it can be shown that the gerrymandering was done on basis of race, then it's bad.

--Patrick
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Which it has been done. Repeatedly. By breaking up Black neighborhoods and attaching them to white districts, to prevent said neighborhoods from getting representation. Roberts KNOWS this.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

AshburnerX said:
Which it has been done. Repeatedly. By breaking up Black neighborhoods and attaching them to white districts, to prevent said neighborhoods from getting representation. Roberts KNOWS this.
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Yeah, but that's not racism, that's just geography. And that's his story, and he's sticking to it.

--Patrick
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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You guys have no idea how fucked we are.

Because of a 90 minute car ride back from a job today, I got to listen to someone who is otherwise a perfectly rational human being of average intelligence talk about how he's not a Trump fan, but he'll vote for him again because Trump is draining the swamp and fighting corruption and all this nonesense in the mainstream media (outside of fox news/hannity of course) is just liberals and hollywood elites trying desperately to stop it from coming to light how they've been selling our country to the chinese and the russians, and it's all a conspiracy to destroy Trump and protect themselves going back to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and Spygate is going to blow up any day now when the report becomes fully declassified.

He's not a racist, he's not rich, and he's voting for Trump. Because he believes all the stories and scandals that pop up literally on a daily basis are manufactured by the mainstream media and DNC. And can you blame him? They happen so much, so often, and are trumpeted so loudly that "THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE GONNA GET HIM ON!" and then nothing happens, that now it all just sounds like background noise.

And the democrat party is STILL talking about running the same. old. stable.
 
Dave

Dave

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Yup. That's my brother in law. He thinks Trump is a fucking moron, but he's going to vote for him for much the same reasons you stated.
 
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