Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

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Biden announced executive actions to protect some 500,000 immigrants without legal status in the U.S. from deportation. The new policy will shield undocumented individuals if they’ve lived in the U.S. for 10 or more years and are married to a U.S. citizen. The protection also provides a streamlined path to citizenship. About 500,000 undocumented spouses and 50,000 undocumented stepchildren of U.S. citizens are expected to be eligible to apply. Biden also announced a policy that makes DACA recipients and so-called “Dreamers” eligible for work visas, rather than temporary work authorization. “Today’s a good day,” Biden said. (New York Times / Associated Press / Politico / NBC News / Bloomberg / Washington Post / ABC News / CNN)
  • Increased immigration to the U.S. is expected to drive higher economic growth and labor supply, grow federal revenues and shrink deficits over the next 10 years. (Axios)
 
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The House Ethics Committee is expanding its investigation into Matt Gaetz amid allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use. The bipartisan committee said its investigation was paused in deference to the Justice Department’s investigation, but reopened it after the DOJ declined to bring charges. “There has been a significant and unusual amount of public reporting on the Committee’s activities this Congress. Much of that reporting has been inaccurate,” the committee said. The investigation is reportedly focused on whether Gaetz “engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts, dispensed special privileges and favors to individuals with whom he had a personal relationship, and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct.” So far, the comittee has conducted more than a dozen interviews, issued 25 subpoenas, and received thousands of pages of documents. (Washington Post / CNN / Politico / Associated Press / NBC News / CBS News / Axios / Wall Street Journal)
 
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  • Jack Smith’s Moment of Truth at the Supreme Court. “All eyes are on the Supreme Court as the justices are expected, any day now, to release their opinion on whether Trump is immune from criminal prosecution in his federal election interference case.” (Slate)
  • But his emails: Trump’s increasingly unhinged calls for violence. “Trump claims he may face death sentence, threatens Joe Biden with “DAY OF RECKONING.” This really isn’t normal.” (Salon)
  • Trump World Seems Worried. Either that, or they’re betting their base doesn’t care about the truth. (The Atlantic)
  • Trump’s Tariff Is a Scheme to Shift the Tax Burden to the Non-Rich. Why do we keep calling this “populism?” (New York Magazine)
  • Replacing Taxes With Tariffs Would Take Us Back to the 1800s. Trump a populist? Populism came about to lower tariffs! (The New Republic)
  • The Christian right is coming for divorce next. Some conservatives want to make it a lot harder to dissolve a marriage. (Vox)
 
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Louisiana’s Republican Governor signed legislation requiring public schools to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom. “This bill mandates the display of the Ten Commandments in every classroom — public elementary, secondary and post-education schools — in the state of Louisiana, because if you want to respect the rule of law, you’ve got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses,” Gov. Jeff Landry. Civil rights groups, meanwhile, vowed to challenge the law in court. The organizations called the new law “blatantly unconstitutional.” (USA Today / Washington Post / Axios / New York Times / CNN / Associated Press)
 
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GasBandit said:
Louisiana’s Republican Governor signed legislation requiring public schools to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom. “This bill mandates the display of the Ten Commandments in every classroom — public elementary, secondary and post-education schools — in the state of Louisiana, because if you want to respect the rule of law, you’ve got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses,” Gov. Jeff Landry. Civil rights groups, meanwhile, vowed to challenge the law in court. The organizations called the new law “blatantly unconstitutional.” (USA Today / Washington Post / Axios / New York Times / CNN / Associated Press)
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figmentPez

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figmentPez said:
Well, I guess I don't trust Snopes any more. Seems they've made a turn to the right, with the bullshit "true" rating about the contents of Ashley Biden's diary.
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And now this from Snopes:
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We all heard him. There are video recordings, both of Trump and of the people at the rally. He called neo-nazis and white supremacists 'very fine people'. Denying that is absurd.
 
Ravenpoe

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figmentPez said:
He called neo-nazis and white supremacists 'very fine people'. Denying that is absurd.
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To be 100% fair, no he didn't. What he did say was some mealy mouthed bullshit that was obviously meant to dogwhistle to the white supremacists, but if we are going to talk about what was factually said, his actual statement was that the protest was attended by "very fine people on both sides" and, in this same statement, clarified "I don't mean the neo nazis, they should be condemned" but then followed up "But there were fine people in that crowd other than them."

So while we all know what base he's playing to, if we are going to talk about what was factually stated then Snopes is correct. His statement never called neo-nazis fine people, but rather an undefined group of people there 'other than the neo nazis' which... probably doesn't exist, but that's what was said.


Edit: source, 1:05 to around 2:10 is the relevant part

 
Ravenpoe

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Krisken said:
And this is how Trump will win again and lead us to ruin. Technicalities no one care about.
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Unfortunately, due to the nature of the soundbite world we live in where people get their news from reading a headline... or maybe half a headline, at max, we are forced to care about these technicalities. Back when this speech first happened, the 'very fine people' line became a meme, got misquoted, and then the "left" (as much as there is a left in the USA, more of a center-right) turned it into a meme. What are supposed to be trusted news sources like CNN ran with it for ratings, when they should have been reporting the actual news, that Trump was doing weak-ass both sides-ism while skirting around trying to appeal to his obvious nazi base. But the news organizations are too chicken shit to tackle things as they are, and so this happens.
 
figmentPez

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Ravenpoe said:
To be 100% fair, no he didn't. What he did say was some mealy mouthed bullshit that was obviously meant to dogwhistle to the white supremacists, but if we are going to talk about what was factually said, his actual statement was that the protest was attended by "very fine people on both sides" and, in this same statement, clarified "I don't mean the neo nazis, they should be condemned" but then followed up "But there were fine people in that crowd other than them."
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He made that "clarification" later on, not with the original statement. People called him on it, and he tried to weasel out of what he'd said.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Let's face it: Trump has done/said enough to earn my ire, even without this particular incident. His reputation isn't exactly balancing precariously and only held up by doubt on this specific issue. No, he tanked it looooong ago.

--Patrick
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

PatrThom said:
Let's face it: Trump has done/said enough to earn my ire, even without this particular incident. His reputation isn't exactly balancing precariously and only held up by doubt on this specific issue. No, he tanked it looooong ago.

--Patrick
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So, make no mistake. In no way is pointing out the error of misquoting meant to be an endorsement of Trump, even though the sports team mentality of modern politics has conditioned people to think. He's said plenty of horrible, horrible shit. My point is that when someone says "He didn't really call nazis fine people in that speech," in an attempt to claim some sort of approval of him, the rebuttal isn't to say "ya-huh he did!" Because it doesn't matter. The rebuttal is to openly point out all the shit he did do and not get lost in the weeds because you remember one bad sound bite and don't want to look it up yourself.
 
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