Necronic
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This may be an expectation in a lot of places, but its absurd to think its how reality works. Adults are, quite often, governed by their emotions. They just hide it better.
Official Goblins (comic) Thread
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North_Ranger
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"It gives him strength."
In one word, absolutely, Minmax and Forgath would have been pleased. They are adventurers by trade, which is a very risky profession where they face violent death on a constant basis. What they are doing is not having fun with friends, it is killing things and taking their stuff. The adventuring skills of Goblinslayer are what would have kept them alive, and the money rolling in.
Dellyn was the best chance they had of both successfully completing their present quest of taking out the goblin adventuring party, and making it to the high levels themselves. And they blew it because Minmax let his emotions get the better of him, a mistake which may end up costing them their lives.
Enjoying yourself at a party is nice. Making the best use of the time you spend there by turning it into both nice and productive is better. I suppose it is possible some people may find it hard or distasteful to combine the two, though the ones who do it successfully may go home with a little more than the ones who do not. And such small things accumulate.
Possibly we aren't. The emotions previously featured in the discussion were, as I recall, hatred and love.
If there is confusion on the point, then please understand that I'm certainly not disputing their existence, merely their utility in decision making.
Bad decisions in terms of results obtained, or from the point of view of emotional development or some similar factor?
Certainly, and I doubt anyone in this thread is claiming otherwise. I believe it is the utility of emotions in decision making that is under discussion here, not the existence of emotions in individuals, or the assumption that many are ruled by them.
"Grief? They beat that out of me in the first year. Hatred was stronger, and it took five years until my heart was closed to all emotion."
figmentPez
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Well, I'll side with experts in the field of psychology, and not with some armchair analysis of fictional characters, and say that "wise mind" decision making is what I'll stick with, as it's proven as much as anything in the field of psychology.
I completely disagree with your analysis of the characters of Minmax and Forgath, but I'm sick of arguing. There's no way they'd be happy traveling with Goblinslayer. Despite being named "Minmax" there is more to him than just treasure and experience, as evidenced by his love for Kin, if nothing else.
New comic is up..... .Holy shit!
Wow. This is just got crazy.
North_Ranger
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DAAAAMMMNNN YOUUUUUUU, THUUUUUUUNNNNTTT!!! 
Is there raising in this universe? I mean yeah, we've never seen it, but Forgath IS a cleric...
GasBandit
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From all accounts, they've all died horribly a number of times since the maze resets every time... if Forgath and Minmax off themselves, it might bring back Kin too, on the next reset of the maze... but with the damage to reality that Psymax has wrought, would that still work?
GasBandit
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Losing a leg, as a human, is a pretty good bet to be fatal from shock and rapid blood loss via the femoral artery.
Really, unless the potion keeps her from dying (assuming she didn't just die from massive damage), there is an excellent chance she's dead and they'll have to raise her... which might be a bit of trouble in their current world. They'd probably have more luck getting a Druid to reincarnate her, as they'd probably be less racist against monsters.
... which is probably how they'll make her human.
... which is probably how they'll make her human.
I believe back when Chief was killed, the issue was raised in the forums. The answer was that you can raise the dead, but it's extremely difficult. It requires very high level players/NPCs, and very rare items. So, for all practical intents and purposes, anyone who's dead stays dead.
GMs usually kept track of mats for things like Raise Dead, if only because they want their challenges to have bite. But yeah, Gas is right. Forgath would need to be at least level ten to raise her. She's ether dead or they are going to be resetting the maze after this... or there is going to be an item that can heal her in the vault.
GasBandit
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And it requires a completely intact corpse, not a partially 'sploded one.
GasBandit
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The more I look at it, the more likely a reset seems to me. Kin's pretty much guaranteed to be a goner. Minmax "sensing" her die has ended his berserker rage, and he's still in the tower room fighting off tons of alternates (though in my mind, the punch line after the comic was every alternate Kin in the tower room suddenly shouting "What?!") , and one could easily see Fograth completing the triumvirate by doing something desperate like attack Psymax - the keys being liquified meaning there's no way to complete the maze. Psymax concludes that too many variables have changed for his attempt at obliviating the maze to proceed, so he allows it to reset so he can try again.
Then, this is just even wilder conjecture at this point for me, but maybe he rigs the next playthrough to have "our" HAG complete the maze so they're out of subsequent resets, and then successfully obliviates the Maze of Many, with no pesky unforeseen variables in the mix any longer.
Then, this is just even wilder conjecture at this point for me, but maybe he rigs the next playthrough to have "our" HAG complete the maze so they're out of subsequent resets, and then successfully obliviates the Maze of Many, with no pesky unforeseen variables in the mix any longer.
GasBandit
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Maybe their counter will be destroyed, as Psymax's was. Or not, this could all just be lead up to explain why on the next iteration that Psymax helps them win. Sort of like a preemptive flashback.
The real question to me, is, since Oblivious now exists outside of time, will IT be reset along with the maze? The color-changing armor probably would be.
And here it is tuesday, 12:49 gmt-8, Thunt. YOUR AUDIENCE DEMANDS CLOSURE.
This is probably an intentional trolling.
GasBandit
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His twitter feed said he "had to" put up the altsplanation because the "rest of [his] life" was getting "too far behind."
Mealy mouthed shit like that is what keeps internet comics firmly in the "not a real job" corner so far as the rest of the world is concerned.