And we shouldn't ignore all of recorded history ether. Any time only the landed elite could own arms, it lead to the subjugation of the lower classes. This has been regardless of culture... you can look in Europe, Japan, China, India... it happened every time. That's the thing about weapons: when you know the other guy doesn't have one, you really have no reason not to use yours against them.
*sighs, turns over "DAYS SINCE LAST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICA" sign to 0*
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It's not much more different than only the police having access to arms inside a society.
I agree, we should disarm the police.
GasBandit
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It doesn't matter if that list is 20 people long and he killed all of them, that's not a mass shooting, it's a serial killer. 20 different individual murders, not gunning down 20 people en mass.
Actionably different. The reaction to a serial killer is and should be different than the reaction to a mass murderer. The laws and techniques used to prevent one from happening and to stop one in progress are likely to be very different.
And yet here we are.
GasBandit
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GasBandit
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What confuses me is that you apparently expected a serious response to a completely substanceless post.
I honestly didn't expect anything fro
I honestly didn't expect anything from you. That you want to attack me is quite obvious though and if you are in such a pissy mood you want to troll me into blocking you again, it's not happening
GasBandit
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You sure think a lot of yourself.I honestly didn't expect anything fro
I honestly didn't expect anything from you. That you want to attack me is quite obvious though and if you are in such a pissy mood you want to troll me into blocking you again, it's not happening
And you know damn well if I wanted you block me, I know just the kind of things to say.
But I don't say them.
And besides, it wouldn't work any more, because you can't block admins.
Ah yes. In that case, maybe I should take a break and come back when you get your shit together. I do have enough going in on my life I don't need your bad attitude to be dumped on me.
Hey, I get where he's coming from. I expect a response to my posts, too.
Oh wait. You said a serious response.
GasBandit
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I had no idea a gif of ben wyatt would ruin your day so much.
So the working theory is the UCLA shooter killed his old professor because the professor stole his computer code and gave it to someone else. So... this is likely about money. Though it could have just been something academic related... it wouldn't be the first time a doctoral student killed.
How does that help? I feel the "do not feed after midnight" list would serve better in keeping computer programmers sedate.
Mountain dew isn't food, so it's ok.
I can't leave the country or buy a gun already and I'm doing just fine
Oh it is ON now: Federal Appeals Court Upholds "Concealed Carry" Restrictions, says Americans have no right guaranteed right to carry concealed guns in public.
Better hope this doesn't get to the Supreme Court before January... a 4-4 split decision would allow this to stand and it would be the fault of the Republicans for dragging their feet on confirming a nominee.
This also brings up the point I brought up years ago: you have a right to bear arms, but there is no constitutional amendment restricting the government from deciding the manner in which you can bear them in public. If the government decides to do away with concealed carry, it's perfectly legal until the Supreme Court says otherwise and they'll have to come up with a compelling reason WHY.
Better hope this doesn't get to the Supreme Court before January... a 4-4 split decision would allow this to stand and it would be the fault of the Republicans for dragging their feet on confirming a nominee.
This also brings up the point I brought up years ago: you have a right to bear arms, but there is no constitutional amendment restricting the government from deciding the manner in which you can bear them in public. If the government decides to do away with concealed carry, it's perfectly legal until the Supreme Court says otherwise and they'll have to come up with a compelling reason WHY.
GasBandit
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A great many states, including Texas, already require permits for concealed carry, so it's not like this is a brand new "emergency! Constitutional crisis!" situation that can't sit on a back burner for years. Granted, I'm of the opinion that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is pretty self explanatory and requiring a permit to carry either openly or concealed sure sounds like the very textbook definition of "infringement."
As long as you're otherwise allowed to possess a firearm, what do you need to get that permit besides the form and some cash? You should at least have to prove knowledge of gun safety before you're allowed anywhere near a gun. Like if a strange gun of any type is set in front of you, and you are directed to clean it. If the first thing you do is not verify it is unloaded, your right to keep or bear arms is forever forfeit. That is not infringing, it's because you're a fucking idiot Darwin Award nominee.
I disagree. Requiring people to be licensed is not, in and of itself, an infringement because virtually everyone has the option of getting a license... in theory. The real infringement occurs in areas where ether the authorities have made it illegal to conceal carry (like Chicago) or simply refused to give out permits (like in NYC). Denying people even the option of getting a permit, ether through practice or law, is a blatant infringement however.
I'm agreeing with Gassy on this. It's still an infringement. It seems to me that, oversimplifying, if you have to ask your government to let you do something, that something is a privilege, not a right.
GasBandit
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Congratulations on your support of requiring picture ID to vote, then. Which, incidentally, is not a right guaranteed by the constitution.
That's not how rights work. I would, however, be in favor of mandatory firearm safety courses as part of high school curriculum.[DOUBLEPOST=1465505935,1465505872][/DOUBLEPOST]
Actually, given that voting is not a right, at least not according to the constitution, any infringement about guns should be extra intolerable as compared with voting.
Again, you only have a right to keep and bear arms. There is nothing saying the government can't regulate how those arms may be carried in public, tax the ownership of arms, or even decide that all arms must have certain features (like safeties). They just can't keep you from owning arms or carrying them openly in public.