figmentPez
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[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
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GasBandit
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Errhhhfmmm.... you might want to go for a different source other than ultrafacts. They're rather notorious for their "flexible veracity," ranging from "obviously true" to "we're just making shit up."
Man, if you're not even going to try, why should I bother responding to you?
Example:
Seeing shapes in clouds has absolutely nothing to do with IQ.
figmentPez
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I am honestly surprised by that. Those numbers might be big enough to offset the additional costs of litigation, that I imagined there would be, due to the complications caused by the video evidence. Tech has a cost, additional experts have their cost. My presumption was that the additional cost of the system would just add complexity to the issue and result in no net gain. However, those are some very impressive numbers for the reduction in complaints and use of force.
If those numbers are accurate (and I've seen some wildly inaccurate summations on various "facts" Tumblrs), and those trends hold up past the initial implementation, and they hold up in cities with radically different demographics, and they don't have any unforseen effects... Then they could have an overall savings if mandated by national law for all officers. (Which, I'll admit, was not a part of the petition I really made enough note of. I like the idea of cameras, I just don't like the idea of blanket implementing them in all situations for all police officers, regardless of any other concerns.)
Not to mention, the federal budget spent on unnecessary military-grade equipment and the money gained from civil forfeiture should be able to offset the budgetary issues.
This. You could probably outfit 3 departments for the price of a single armored vehicle and they'll be used every day.
Dave
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Meanwhile in Cleveland, a 12 year old kid was shot and killed. The shooting officers say the following:
When the call came in to 911, the person told the dispatcher he thought the gun was a toy. This information didn't get to the officers, according to their reports.
I'm all for cops, man, but this one. Just wrong on so many levels. THIS one should have an indictment at the least.
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/11/video_of_tamir_rice_shooting_b.html
- The kid was part of a group sitting around in the park.
- They told him to raise his hands three times and when he reached for the toy gun that could have been real, they fired.
When the call came in to 911, the person told the dispatcher he thought the gun was a toy. This information didn't get to the officers, according to their reports.
I'm all for cops, man, but this one. Just wrong on so many levels. THIS one should have an indictment at the least.
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/11/video_of_tamir_rice_shooting_b.html
Cajungal
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I could not stop crying when I read about that one. Why wouldn't you make sure they knew the gun could be fake?? And the officer called it in as a possible 20 year old I heard? I've got to see a picture of that kid. How could someone make that mistake? To me that means he barely looked at him.
Dave
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In this case it was a rookie going BANG BANG BANG! And then both of them going, "Well, there's no video so this is what happened." Classic CYOA.
And then they find out there was a camera on them the whole time. Oops. You went through a lot of training to lose that job so fast, son. Maybe some job where you don't carry a weapon and have to make life & death decisions is more your speed. Like an inmate.
And then they find out there was a camera on them the whole time. Oops. You went through a lot of training to lose that job so fast, son. Maybe some job where you don't carry a weapon and have to make life & death decisions is more your speed. Like an inmate.
I'm disappointed in myself that I watched the Cleveland video of the cop killing a 12 year old. I don't know why I thought there would be anything on that tape that would make me feel better.
Yes, thank you for turning my wink and a whisper into a megaphone.
Wink and whispers have done so many great things for the African-American community.
So tell us, oh great self-appointed saviour of all things not white nor male, what the fuck have YOU done?
I'm not trying to change the world, just make people think. Give it a try.
I use a metaphorical megaphone in my discourse instead of meekly saying "hey guys, maybe we should not shoot black kids so much?" I'm admittedly too chickenshit to join a riot.
@Krisken - not implying you were being meek/anything's WRONG with being subtle, I just think we're way past that.[DOUBLEPOST=1417086029,1417085782][/DOUBLEPOST]
that's....what I'm doing. Just different methods.
speaking of trying to boost the signal of great writers: this should be required reading on how anytime Americans say "but violence and looting never solves anything!" are completely full of shit. The puritans rolled up and started inflicting copious violence and oppression on everything they laid eyes on. Native Americans, Africans, Mexicans, will it ever stop?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-and-the-evidence-of-things-unsaid/383212/2/[DOUBLEPOST=1417086073][/DOUBLEPOST]
One more point before I forget - if enough people think, it will change the world.
Charlie, your method typically doesn't change minds, it encourages minds to put up stronger walls.
In Texas we finally ruled that taking someone's blood without a warrant is unconstitutional.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/how-robert-mcculloch-hoodwinked-ferguson
So, this is going around tumblr and want to make sure that they and, in turn, I am reading it it correctly.
Early on in the proceedings, Assistant District Attorney Alizadeh handed out copies of a law that was ruled unconstitutional in 1985. In essence it set the bar for use of excessive force lower than is permissible. So...ADA Alizadeh told the jury that it was permissible to shoot a fleeing suspect?
Except it wan't? That law was repelled in the 70's, if my googling is doing me any justice.
So the jury weighed all evidence against a law that wasn't even in effect and in fact deemed unconstitutional. The mistake was corrected...eventually. At the end. When the deliberations were already complete, if I am reading it right.
...is it just me or that bullshit?
So, this is going around tumblr and want to make sure that they and, in turn, I am reading it it correctly.
Early on in the proceedings, Assistant District Attorney Alizadeh handed out copies of a law that was ruled unconstitutional in 1985. In essence it set the bar for use of excessive force lower than is permissible. So...ADA Alizadeh told the jury that it was permissible to shoot a fleeing suspect?
Except it wan't? That law was repelled in the 70's, if my googling is doing me any justice.
So the jury weighed all evidence against a law that wasn't even in effect and in fact deemed unconstitutional. The mistake was corrected...eventually. At the end. When the deliberations were already complete, if I am reading it right.
...is it just me or that bullshit?
It's not just you
not just you
Not only not just you, but not just that. There are diagrams of how this grand jury was handled versus the usual. It's disgusting on its own, but it's also surprisingly transparent. Either they're dumb enough to think no one notices or they want to wave it in people's faces that this was their intent.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/lo...-shoots-kills-14-year-old-honor-roll-student/
I wish there was some updates to the above case. There hasn't been a word about it since it happened.
And, correct me if I am wrong, isn't Louisiana an open carry state as well?
I wish there was some updates to the above case. There hasn't been a word about it since it happened.
And, correct me if I am wrong, isn't Louisiana an open carry state as well?
Texas is not open carry? I uh. really?
This is with handguns. Long guns it's allowed.
GasBandit
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Yeah, I've pointed that out as irony in just about every gun control thread for the last 5 years.
There's no bureaucrat like a Texas bureaucrat, and the Texas DPS/ATF could give fascist lessons on weekends.
Okay, yeah. I was really certain I'd seen pics from Texas of dudes with big ass guns on their backs.
Well... the Ferguson protests took a surreal turn when a small train, blasting Marvin Gaye, started leading the protest.
I also talked to my cousin, who lives about a block and half away from the store that was allegedly robbed by Brown. She (and then the rest of my family) said she was glad the national guard showed up to bust the heads of those "attractive and successful African Americans" (you can fill that one in yourself). They all then parroted the party line of always believing police officers and you should always do what they say because you deserve to be shot if you don't.
I... REALLY hate Thanksgiving. I love my family, but stuff like this makes me glad I only see them twice a year.
I also talked to my cousin, who lives about a block and half away from the store that was allegedly robbed by Brown. She (and then the rest of my family) said she was glad the national guard showed up to bust the heads of those "attractive and successful African Americans" (you can fill that one in yourself). They all then parroted the party line of always believing police officers and you should always do what they say because you deserve to be shot if you don't.
I... REALLY hate Thanksgiving. I love my family, but stuff like this makes me glad I only see them twice a year.
I wonder how that works when the police don't agree with the police. Serpico is an obvious example, but here's Ferguson:
... Yes Man?
