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What's your gender?

Nov 16, 2011#1

Krisken

Since people have been awful confused about some of our genders, I thought I would post this thread with the poll so people can go back to it if needed.

Nov 16, 2011#2

Gusto

9 out of 10 doctors agree: I'm a dude.

Nov 16, 2011#3

Allen who is Quiet

What did you do to make the 10th think you're female?

Nov 16, 2011#4

fade

Never kiss and tell.

Nov 16, 2011#5

drifter

I'd be more curious to find out what people think my gender is. I'd presume it's fairly obvious, but maybe not if Krisken is any indication. Any guesses?

Nov 16, 2011#6

LittleKagsin

This is awesome, I was seriously just thinking about this.
Oh, and yes, I'm a girl. I hope everyone could figure that out....

Nov 16, 2011#7

Allen who is Quiet

drifter said:
I'd be more curious to find out what people think my gender is. I'd presume it's fairly obvious, but maybe not if Krisken is any indication. Any guesses?

I figure that since you share my zest for girls with short skirts and long jackets, you're a guy.

Nov 16, 2011#8

The Internet

LittleKagsin said:
Oh, and yes, I'm a girl.

Sure thing FBI man...

Nov 16, 2011#9

Adammon

LittleKagsin said:
This is awesome, I was seriously just thinking about this.
Oh, and yes, I'm a girl. I hope everyone could figure that out....

Oh dear lord, I'm glad you clarified after our little PM discussion!

Nov 16, 2011#10

CrimsonSoul

Guy

Nov 16, 2011#11

Krisken

Allen who is Quiet said:
I figure that since you share my zest for girls with short skirts and long jackets, you're a guy.

Hey, so long as she has a mind like a diamond, right?

Nov 16, 2011#12

CrimsonSoul

Krisken said:
Hey, so long as she has a mind like a diamond, right?

Has to be cleaned regularly because it gets dirty?

Nov 16, 2011#13

Bones

I'm all man baby! I have had people think I am a gir, but I am not sure why? I am hairy like a wookie/bear/caveman!

Nov 16, 2011#14

Jay

LittleKagsin said:
This is awesome, I was seriously just thinking about this.
Oh, and yes, I'm a girl. I hope everyone could figure that out....

Hi.

I'm a boy.

Let's be friends.

Nov 16, 2011#15

LittleKagsin

Jay said:
Hi.

I'm a boy.

Let's be friends.

View attachment 3456

Oh my landlord. You funny creeper you. =^^=
Yeah, alright, you pass - we can be friends.

Nov 16, 2011#16

General Specific

Bones said:
I'm all man baby! I have had people think I am a gir, but I am not sure why? I am hairy like a wookie/bear/caveman!

Bones ^

Nov 16, 2011#17

Jay

You owe me... rent.

Nov 16, 2011#18

LittleKagsin

HAHA!!!

I love your posts, you make me laugh Jay. =^^=

Nov 16, 2011#19

Bones

General Specific said:
Bones ^

haha typo win, I wish I was Gir, women at cons would be all over me!

Nov 16, 2011#20

strawman

Hai guys, what's going on in h-

Jay said:
Hi.

I'm a boy.

Let's be friends.
-CANNOT BE UNSEEN-

Nov 16, 2011#21

drifter

CrimsonSoul said:
Has to be cleaned regularly because it gets dirty?

I figure that since you share my zest for girls with short skirts and long jackets, you're a guy.

-edit-

Allen who is Quiet said:
I figure that since you share my zest for girls with short skirts and long jackets, you're a guy.

By the by, I may have something relevant to your interests... Sunday-ish.

Nov 16, 2011#22

bhamv3

I'm pretty sure I'm a guy.

Lemme check.

Hmm.

Hang on, almost found it.

Ok.

Well.

I guess it's feeling shy today. So let's just pretend I found it and confirmed my guyness.

Nov 16, 2011#23

Shegokigo

As stated in the other thread, but bears repeating:

Chick with a dick 2x the size of anyone here.

Nov 16, 2011#24

Null

That's special.

Nov 16, 2011#25

phil

I'm all

man

baby

Nov 16, 2011#26

Frankie Williamson

Shegokigo said:
As stated in the other thread, but bears repeating:

Chick with a dick 2x the size of anyone here.

Ha ha ha! Those don't count.

Nov 16, 2011#27

Tress

I always assumed this forum was a sausage-fest with a few notable exceptions.
Added at: 17:09

Shegokigo said:
As stated in the other thread, but bears repeating:
Chick with a dick 2x the size of anyone here.

The trophies you took off other people don't count, Shego.

Nov 16, 2011#28

Charlie Don't Surf

I am straight white male, privilege bingo

Nov 16, 2011#29

Allen who is Quiet

drifter said:
By the by, I may have something relevant to your interests... Sunday-ish.

Nov 16, 2011#30

Hylian

Last time I checked I was a guy

Nov 16, 2011#31

Chad Sexington

The hammer is my etc.

Nov 16, 2011#32

figmentPez

Adammon said:
Oh dear lord, I'm glad you clarified after our little PM discussion!

Wait, Kags chats with other people besides me via PM?

I thought I was special.

Nov 16, 2011#33

Jay

Wait, me too.... I don't even....

Nov 16, 2011#34

MindDetective

HCGLNS is a liar!

Nov 16, 2011#35

LittleSin

I am multi-gendered. There's a different sexual organ on the end of each of my tentacles.

There are some that you have not even DREAMED of.

Nov 16, 2011#36

BananaHands

LittleSin said:
I am multi-gendered. There's a different sexual organ on the end of each of my tentacles.

There are some that you have not even DREAMED of.

You wanna bet?

Nov 16, 2011#37

LittleSin

BananaHands said:
You wanna bet?

Not against Doc Brown, no.

Nov 16, 2011#38

fade

bhamv3 said:
I'm pretty sure I'm a guy.

Lemme check.

Hmm.

Hang on, almost found it.

Ok.

Well.

I guess it's feeling shy today. So let's just pretend I found it and confirmed my guyness.

Nov 16, 2011#39

LittleKagsin

figmentPez said:
Wait, Kags chats with other people besides me via PM?

I thought I was special.

Aww, Pez, don't be sad! You are very special. =^^=

I just asked everyone who liked my post what cosplay picture they wanted . Although, I now might get PM's just to spite you...

Nov 16, 2011#40

Emrys

"Queen of the doom weasels" does not mean I cross dress.

Nov 16, 2011#41

Piotyr

Emrys said:
"Queen of the doom weasels" does not mean I cross dress.

So...you're not a doom-weasel?

Nov 16, 2011#42

Emrys

I didn't say that. I just said I didn't cross dress.

Actual picture of me.

Nov 16, 2011#43

linglingface

I think everyone here knows I'm female. :3 And back up off my Kags.

Nov 16, 2011#44

Jay

Nice to meet you female.

Nov 16, 2011#45

linglingface

Aghhh I can't get enough of creeper Woody! Sooo creepy but so many lulz to be had.

Nov 16, 2011#46

Jay

Anything for my future Chun Li.

Added at: 23:54
And it better be the good kind of Chun Li.

Nov 16, 2011#47

Allen who is Quiet

heatherling said:
I think everyone here knows I'm female.

...when the hell did that happen?

Nov 16, 2011#48

TommiR

Isn't it possible for any user to flip a switch and have their gender displayed on their profile, should they feel inclined to advertise it?

Nov 16, 2011#49

Krisken

TommiR said:
Isn't it possible for any user to flip a switch and have their gender displayed on their profile, should they feel inclined to advertise it?

That takes people clicking the profile, eh?

Nov 16, 2011#50

Allen who is Quiet

Krisken said:
That takes people clicking the profile, eh?

Wait. There's a better way.

Nov 17, 2011#51

DarkAudit

Emrys said:
I didn't say that. I just said I didn't cross dress.

Actual picture of me.

Drat. I was hoping for something more like Ferretina, the Weasel Queen:

Nov 17, 2011#52

Tress

Emrys said:
I didn't say that. I just said I didn't cross dress.

Actual picture of me.

Hawt.

Nov 17, 2011#53

makare

I feel the doom.

Nov 17, 2011#54

PatrThom

I answered honestly, but I am disappointed that there were only 2 choices.

Also, Ferretina is hi-Foglio-larious.

--Patrick

Nov 17, 2011#55

doomdragon6

makare said:
I feel the doom.

Please don't.

Nov 17, 2011#56

Biannoshufu

There needs to be at least 4 choices.

Nov 17, 2011#57

Krisken

Biannoshufu said:
There needs to be at least 4 choices.

At first I thought I may have made a mistake in only the 2 choices, but decided that if someone was male and became female or vice-versa it really didn't matter and didn't need to be part of the poll. They either feel they are 1. Male or 2. Female.

Unless you were getting at something else I am missing here.

Nov 17, 2011#58

North_Ranger

For the last 28 years and change I have been a male. I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

Nov 17, 2011#59

gargoyle_eva

Male, Even though I occasionly get mistaken for female. Apparantly eva is a girls name...

Nov 17, 2011#60

North_Ranger

gargoyle_eva said:
Male, Even though I occasionly get mistaken for female. Apparantly eva is a girls name...

I'm still weirded out when I hear American people talking about female persons named Kari (eg. Kari Wuhrer). In Finnish, Kari is a man's name... and, incidentally, the name of my elementary school principal. Who sported a horseshoe moustache...

Nov 17, 2011#61

Emrys

DarkAudit said:
Drat. I was hoping for something more like Ferretina, the Weasel Queen:

Yez, dollink, and if hy hed a body like dot, hy vould hev used dot peecture. Bot hy don't and hyu have to settle for the vere-veasel.

Nov 17, 2011#62

Shegokigo

gargoyle_eva said:
Male, Even though I occasionly get mistaken for female. Apparantly eva is a girls name...

GIRL'S NAME?!?
/

Nov 17, 2011#63

fade

Kary/Karry/Kerry/Cary/Carrie is an unisex name in the US. I know a good number of both male and female persons with that name.

Nov 17, 2011#64

Piotyr

I am a male. I fathered a child, just to make sure.

Nov 17, 2011#65

Chibibar

I am guy. I hope my avatar shows that BUT some people do think I act girly. So I guess 8 out of 10 people thinks I'm a guy.

Nov 17, 2011#66

drifter

Shegokigo said:
GIRL'S NAME?!?
/

Not the best example

Nov 17, 2011#67

North_Ranger

Shegokigo said:
GIRL'S NAME?!?
/

Yes, go check the plumbing of the gigantic homicidal robot created out of a huge-ass alien/angel/whatsit that caused Biblical floods.

Go on.

We'll be waiting over here.

Nov 17, 2011#68

Bones

North_Ranger said:
Yes, go check the plumbing of the gigantic homicidal robot created out of a huge-ass alien/angel/whatsit that caused Biblical floods.

Go on.

We'll be waiting over here.

considering it has the soul of shinji's mother. yeah...

Nov 17, 2011#69

North_Ranger

Bones said:
considering it has the soul of shinji's mother. yeah...

Wait wait wait... So, lemme get this straight. So every time Shinji gets put inside that thing... he's actually entering his own mother?

I'mma think I'll go over here and pour some drain cleaner in my ear now, thank you very much.

Nov 17, 2011#70

Bones

North_Ranger said:
Wait wait wait... So, lemme get this straight. So every time Shinji gets put inside that thing... he's actually entering his own mother?

I'mma think I'll go over here and pour some drain cleaner in my ear now, thank you very much.

sorry dawg, I own the super platinum collectors ultra edition. I have watched it inside and out.

Nov 17, 2011#71

Allen who is Quiet

02 has Asuka's mother's soul in it.

Nov 17, 2011#72

Bones

i dont remember if they ever say who was in unit 00

Nov 17, 2011#73

Allen who is Quiet

Rei

Nov 17, 2011#74

Bones

allen is prosauce, shit when did it come up? i dont remember it ever being stated anywhere in the series.

Nov 17, 2011#75

Allen who is Quiet

I don't think it's ever brought up explicitly. It's been a while since I've watched eva though.

Also, this is my favorite derail ever. From "Hey, what gender are you?" to "Whose soul is in this robot?"

Nov 17, 2011#76

Bones

haha sorry guys, I was just curious. dont mind me

Nov 17, 2011#77

fade

Allen who is Quiet said:
I don't think it's ever brought up explicitly. It's been a while since I've watched eva though.

Also, this is my favorite derail ever. From "Hey, what gender are you?" to "Whose soul is in this robot?"

Who is in No. 5?

Nov 17, 2011#78

GasBandit

North_Ranger said:
Wait wait wait... So, lemme get this straight. So every time Shinji gets put inside that thing... he's actually entering his own mother?

I'mma think I'll go over here and pour some drain cleaner in my ear now, thank you very much.

It's like that SNL sketch with the guy whose mother never severed the umbilical cord, and as punishment, "holds him in." No wonder he's such a little momma's boy, eh?

Nov 17, 2011#79

strawman

Nov 17, 2011#80

phil

Due to several revelations In this thread, my forum based fan fiction is going to need heavy revisions.

Nov 17, 2011#81

Jay

....man.... the fuck happened to this thread?

Nov 17, 2011#82

Adammon

Halforums Rule - Any thread of any topic can be hijacked or trainwrecked.

Halforums Corollary - We will hijack or trainwreck any thread on any topic.

Nov 17, 2011#83

North_Ranger

phil said:
Due to several revelations In this thread, my forum based fan fiction is going to need heavy revisions.

Seriously, what did you get wrong? So far I've been 100% correct, save for maybe Shego's diiiiiiiwwwwaiit a minute, you're making forum-based fan fiction? :Leyla:

Nov 17, 2011#84

Allen who is Quiet

fade said:
Who is in No. 5?

iirc, 5-12 are mass produced models, and use dummy plugs based on Kaworu. No idea if they actually have souls, since syncing up with a pilot isn't much of a concern.

If they do have souls, it's inconsequential to the plot.

Nov 17, 2011#85

GasBandit

Jimmy Wales' face at the top of that article makes it HILARIOUS.

Nov 17, 2011#86

Adammon

Amorous Eyes said:
As the resident "chick with a dick" I have to ask: Care to prove that?

No, I still side with Shegokigo on this argument. A dick is only as big as you care to swing it.
Added at: 13:36

GasBandit said:
Jimmy Wales' face at the top of that article makes it HILARIOUS.

YES!

Nov 17, 2011#87

GasBandit

Adammon said:
YES!

And this one is even funnier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopophobia

Nov 17, 2011#88

Adammon

GasBandit said:
And this one is even funnier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopophobia

Maybe it's just his bearded smiling face that prompts the giggles, but his smiling face asking us to read his 'personal appeal' above http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia is just too much for me to handle.

Nov 17, 2011#89

Adammon

Amorous Eyes said:
Who says I don't?

Considering your long term plan vis-à-vis penis is to be penis-free, it would suggest to me 'dick-swinging' is not a particularly high priority for you?

Nov 17, 2011#90

Krisken

That's just too much work for a thread which was just to help prevent future confusion, I think. Besides, anyone who stands somewhere outside the male/female dynamic has already been pretty vocal on the matter, thus removing any misunderstanding.

Nov 17, 2011#91

GasBandit

The "nonbinary gender" thing is hogwash. It's easy - which pronoun do you not want to be called - "he" or "she?" Note - I'm not saying "born with a penis = MAN FOREVER," I'm saying that when you REALLY pin people down, they really do identify with one or the other.

Nov 17, 2011#92

GasBandit

Amorous Eyes said:
So.. what you're really saying is... I'm not enough of a bitch compared to Shego to you?

Heh, technically speaking, I think he was saying not enough of a DICK.

Nov 17, 2011#93

Krisken

Amorous Eyes said:
Actually, most of them are not vocal at all. I identify as female but I did want to speak out for them.

On this forum?

I'm not trying to change the world, for crying out loud. I just wanted to prevent myself in the future from telling Emrys her poppy avatar looks like a vagina.

Nov 17, 2011#94

Adammon

Amorous Eyes said:
So.. what you're really saying is... I'm not enough of a bitch compared to Shego to you?

GasBandit said:
Heh, technically speaking, I think he was saying not enough of a DICK.

A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B I suppose.

Nov 17, 2011#95

Shegokigo

And yeah, if anyone here I would consider "Competition" it'd be you Ame

Nov 17, 2011#96

fade

Allen who is Quiet said:
iirc, 5-12 are mass produced models, and use dummy plugs based on Kaworu. No idea if they actually have souls, since syncing up with a pilot isn't much of a concern.

If they do have souls, it's inconsequential to the plot.

No, Johnny 5.

Nov 17, 2011#97

GasBandit

Amorous Eyes said:
My boyfriend calls me a bastard all the time. Does that count?

No, conventional wisdom is incorrect - "bastard" is not the masculine form of "bitch," it is a unisex aspersion cast upon parentage.

Amorous Eyes said:
genderqueer = doesn't identify as either, or identifies as both, for example. They also have their own pronouns.

And they are exactly who I was talking about.

Nov 17, 2011#98

Dave

I was wondering when Ame was going to wander in. I saw the poll and went, "Yup."

But seriously, I've learned a LOT on the subject of transgenderism from this board and I can't say that's a bad thing.

Nov 17, 2011#99

fade

Bleh, stuff like "Genderqueer" rings of forced-for-forced's-sake to me. Like all those college kids who just discovered leftism.

Nov 17, 2011#100

GasBandit

fade said:
Bleh, stuff like "Genderqueer" rings of forced-for-forced's-sake to me. Like all those college kids who just discovered leftism.

Exactly. Unless Yivo is posting on this board, there are only two pronouns that apply. If Yivo IS posting on this board, I invite skler to speak up, because sklee and I need to talk.

Nov 17, 2011#101

Shegokigo

Would not expect you to even remotely understand fade. There's little chance you would.

Also I'd like to add that along with Ame, Biann would definitely win if she felt the need for effort/want to display her ability to claim the title.

Nov 17, 2011#102

North_Ranger

GasBandit said:
The "nonbinary gender" thing is hogwash. It's easy - which pronoun do you not want to be called - "he" or "she?" Note - I'm not saying "born with a penis = MAN FOREVER," I'm saying that when you REALLY pin people down, they really do identify with one or the other.

Doesn't really work in languages that don't make that gender distinction - although some comedians might suggest that Finnish has "he" and "it".

Those comedians are usually of the "idiotically piss-drunk and not getting any" variety.

Nov 17, 2011#103

Shegokigo

Don't get me started on "High School/Teenage Bisexuality" or worse, the "Katy Perry I Kissed A Girl Club Dancing Bisexuality" women....

Nov 17, 2011#104

GasBandit

Amorous Eyes said:
Not gonna lie and say that all who identify as such are truly what they are. Much like teenage bisexuality. That said!! I know there are people who are truly, in their core self, genderqueer. You may not understand it, but it doesn't mean that they do not exist.

There are people who truly, in their core self, believe they are Napoleon Bonaparte. That doesn't mean they are. Look, I usually am totally the "perception equals reality" type guy here, arguing that your perception defines your reality - but this is a situation where a given person's rare disfunction is trying to define reality for everyone. It's entirely accurate to portray this as a case of Les Nessman's office walls taken to ridiculous extremes.

Nov 17, 2011#105

fade

I'll be honest--I can't help but be insulted when someone uses the phrase, "You can't possibly understand". I can understand it perfectly well. I just have very strong reservations about believing it on the basis of my own observations.

Nov 17, 2011#106

North_Ranger

Amorous Eyes said:
To be 'fair', it's hard to take anyone in their teens seriously about any subject they talk about.

Considering I used to think Michael Moore was reasonable when I was in high school, I have to concede to your point.

Nov 17, 2011#107

Chibibar

fade said:
I'll be honest--I can't help but be insulted when someone uses the phrase, "You can't possibly understand". I can understand it perfectly well. I just have very strong reservations about believing it on the basis of my own observations.

I can understand that, but at the same time, unless we are experiencing it or be "in it" sometimes it is harder to understand.

Now of course there are times like when my parents goes "you don't know the real world, so you can't possibly understand" that is a bit different since I am 38 years old, own my own home, married, and keep up with the world. I know the real world that I experience thus far. I may not know the real world of underground drug lord, or the real world of espionage, or real world of celeberties.

I think there are some psychological aspect that I will never understand like why does psycho killers enjoy and do what they do, why does people follow blindly with Kardashen family, why does people believe Jesus is the son of God back then but won't believe if someone said they are son of God now?

Yes, we can justify by what WE believe and what WE understand, but unless we ARE in those group, we will never truly understand on their level.

Nov 17, 2011#108

GasBandit

Amorous Eyes said:
For the record: I did not say "You cannot possibly understand". That is a horrible rephrasing of what I actually said to make it come across a lot more hostile then intended.

No, shego said it.

Nov 17, 2011#109

Espy

I love that when I come into a thread on HF I will find it goes exactly where I expect it to go and yet surprise me in how it gets there

Nov 17, 2011#110

Chibibar

Amorous Eyes said:
I stand corrected.
Added at: 00:11
Also, I'm getting the hell out of this thread on the advice of my boyfriend before I go all rage-y on you guys.

hopefully only some of us right? *hugs*

Nov 17, 2011#111

Krisken

As I said, I wasn't trying to make people all rage out. I just wanted to avoid future confusion.

Nov 17, 2011#112

North_Ranger

"Hell hath no fury..."

Nov 17, 2011#113

Adammon

North_Ranger said:
"Hell hath no fury..."

If I am following the thread right, the proper phrasing for the end of that sentence is

"...like a gender-exists-only-as-a-social-construct-and-does-not-exist-purely-in-a-binary-fashion-instead-a-complex-dynamic-with-emotional-psychological-physical-and-sexual-components scorned."

Nov 17, 2011#114

Espy

Krisken said:
As I said, I wasn't trying to make people all rage out. I just wanted to avoid future confusion.

Well now I'm more confused than ever. Hope you are happy.

Nov 17, 2011#115

Gryfter

Wait... what was the question?

Nov 17, 2011#116

Chibibar

Gryfter said:
Wait... what was the question?

Do you like Bacon or Back Bacon?

Nov 17, 2011#117

GasBandit

Epic. Just Epic.

Nov 17, 2011#118

Krisken

Espy said:
Well now I'm more confused than ever. Hope you are happy.

Just a little.

Nov 17, 2011#119

Gryfter

Chibibar said:
Do you like Bacon or Back Bacon?

It's all ham to me.

Nov 17, 2011#120

bhamv3

*wanders in*

Hey guys I found it, this proves I'm...

*stares at thread*

*backs slowly out*

Nov 17, 2011#121

Emrys

Espy said:
I love that when I come into a thread on HF I will find it goes exactly where I expect it to go and yet surprise me in how it gets there

Yeah, evidently this thread was started so Krisken would know that my poppy was a vagina, not a penis, and now we're here.
O brave new world! That has such people in it!

Nov 17, 2011#122

Krisken

Nov 17, 2011#123

Espy

LOL

Nov 17, 2011#124

Emrys

Smile, Krisken. You've raised the entertainment value of this place by a good 10%. And while they're busy arguing with each other, we can slip in, mug them for their valuables, and get away before they wake up.

Nov 17, 2011#125

Krisken

Oh, well, that's alright then!

Nov 17, 2011#126

fade

Amorous Eyes said:
For the record: I did not say "You cannot possibly understand". That is a horrible rephrasing of what I actually said to make it come across a lot more hostile then intended.

I just used the general phrasing that usually gets used, which I personally find less hostile than "You may not understand it, but...", for the record, which I read as a patronizing head-pat.

Also for the record, I have no problem with anyone being truly gender neutral or gender-free or whatever. But since we were speaking from personal experience, the people I know who claim to be such, are also the same crowd who tends to flock to anything fringe or controversial for the sake of it.

Nov 17, 2011#127

Krisken

I ready my treasure sack.

Nov 17, 2011#128

Emrys

Krisken said:
Oh, well, that's alright then!

See, there's always a bright side.
Now, take this sack and cosh and start over there. I'll work this side and we'll meet back in 20 minutes.
Added at: 18:18

I feel the doom.

doomdragon6 said:
Please don't.

She can feel the doom all she wants, as long as I get a kiss good night and a call the next morning.

Nov 17, 2011#129

Shegokigo

fade said:
I'll be honest--I can't help but be insulted when someone uses the phrase, "You can't possibly understand". I can understand it perfectly well. I just have very strong reservations about believing it on the basis of my own observations.

Much like I can't help but be insulted when someone comments the way you did on a subject they cannot comprehend due to the only way to comprehend it, is to live it.

Nov 17, 2011#130

drifter

Krisken said:
I ready my treasure sack.

So that's what you call it... TMI

Nov 17, 2011#131

Adammon

Shegokigo said:
Much like I can't help but be insulted when someone comments the way you did on a subject they cannot comprehend due to the only way to comprehend it, is to live it.

I'm sure given your salacious stories, there's a number of fellas that wouldn't mind living your life.

Nov 17, 2011#132

Krisken

I knew someone would bite.

Nov 17, 2011#133

Null

I had a feeling this was how the thread was going to go. Not the Evangelion derail, but everything else.
Added at: 00:43

Krisken said:
I knew someone would bite.

I don't think anyone is surprised to be bitten by Sheki, just the time and place usually come as a shock.

Nov 17, 2011#134

fade

Shegokigo said:
Much like I can't help but be insulted when someone comments the way you did on a subject they cannot comprehend due to the only way to comprehend it, is to live it.

"You can't comprehend unless you've lived it" is a weak statement with no logical basis. I comprehend things everyday that I am not, or that I don't do. If I didn't, I would be a jellyfish. Where is the arbitrary line between things you have to live to understand, and things you can understand without living?

Frankly, it's as offensive to me as anything you find offensive. Questioning something is in no way tantamount to misunderstanding it. I get the idea, whether you think I do or not. Doesn't mean it doesn't feel a certain way to me.

Nov 17, 2011#135

Null

What could possibly be offensive about devaluing or outright dismissing something that is at the core of another person's life experience?

For my own part, I've never suffered any particular confusion about my gender or sexuality, but that doesn't mean I think it's not a major conflict in some people's psyche. I don't know what that's like, and I don't really want to. But I can't think that having the "you" that you think you are, being completely at odds with who you appear to be to the world, is easy.

Nov 17, 2011#136

Adammon

fade said:
" If I didn't, I would be a jellyfish.

???

Nov 17, 2011#137

Shegokigo

No worries. I'm done.

Nov 17, 2011#138

fade

You're right. My original statement was probably a bit crass. I retract that, because frankly, as I said, I couldn't care less if you are or aren't genderqueer. My statement wasn't intended to devalue, it was more a comment on my personal experience with people I've met who self-identify as such. They tend to be the same Che shirt wearing, homeopathic medicine crowd that eschews things they think are societal impositions by choice. I in no way meant to imply anything negative about genderqueer, because I truly don't care if someone is. One way or the other.

Nov 17, 2011#139

Krisken

fade said:
You're right. My original statement was probably a bit crass. I retract that, because frankly, as I said, I couldn't care less if you are or aren't genderqueer. My statement wasn't intended to devalue, it was more a comment on my personal experience with people I've met who self-identify as such. They tend to be the same Che shirt wearing, homeopathic medicine crowd that eschews things they think are societal impositions by choice. I in no way meant to imply anything negative about genderqueer, because I truly don't care if someone is. One way or the other.

Or the other, other, or other.

Nov 17, 2011#140

Adammon

fade said:
I in no way meant to imply anything negative about genderqueer, because I truly don't care if someone is. One way or the other.

One way or the other or any one of the other others.

Damnit Krisken, you've made an enemy this day.

Nov 17, 2011#141

SeraRelm

On the dick-swinging/bitch factor. I can't bring myself to care enough (most of the time) to "whip it out".

Nov 17, 2011#142

Krisken

Just today? :eek:

Nov 17, 2011#143

Null

Adammon said:
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Nov 17, 2011#144

Shegokigo

No worries fade, you're still good people. I knew you didn't mean it the way it came across. I was simply replying to the "general idea" more than to you directly.

Nov 17, 2011#145

Biannoshufu

1.Female
2. Male
3. Genderqueer
4. Intersex
5. Grue (what the fuck is wrong with you that you forgot this option?

Nov 17, 2011#146

Krisken

Maybe I should have just allowed people to pick multiple poll options.

Nov 17, 2011#147

Jay

i_like_where_this_thread_is_going_ship_heading_into_epic_storm.jpg

Nov 17, 2011#148

fade

GasBandit said:
Jimmy Wales' face at the top of that article makes it HILARIOUS.

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/jimmy_wales

Nov 17, 2011#149

makare

I had a very wise professor who told us that do not ever say "I understand what you are going through" because no matter how similar the experiences may be you really don't. Everyone's life is different and how they feel, approach things, process things and live is going to be different.

Nov 17, 2011#150

Emrys

Krisken said:
Maybe I should have just allowed people to pick multiple poll options.

If you give some people too many options, they just become confused.
Well, more confused than they already are.

Nov 17, 2011#151

strawman

Krisken said:
Maybe I should have just allowed people to pick multiple poll options.

1. If you aren't fanatically politically correct you will be beaten.
2. No matter how you present something, you will inevitably offend someone.

Therefore, you will be beaten.

QED.

I hope you learned your lesson.

Nov 18, 2011#152

Bowielee

stienman said:
1. If you aren't fanatically politically correct you will be beaten.
2. No matter how you present something, you will inevitably offend someone.

Therefore, you will be beaten.

QED.

I hope you learned your lesson.

You guys KNOW FOR A FACT that we have posters of differing transgender roles here, so it's less being fanatically politically correct and more not being a raging douche nozzle.

Nov 18, 2011#153

phil

Bowielee said:
You guys KNOW FOR A FACT that we have posters of differing transgender roles here, so it's less being fanatically politically correct and more not being a raging douche nozzle.

Nope!

If you don't like the names I have selected for you, usually based on my own preconceptions of who you are as a person, you must just be one of them hippy dippy "let's all hug and dance" political correct fanatics.

And isn't it ironic? That you are typically more close minded about my closemindedness than my initial closminditude? Tolerance is a two way road, catcher in the rye.

Nov 18, 2011#154

Krisken

Bowielee said:
You guys KNOW FOR A FACT that we have posters of differing transgender roles here, so it's less being fanatically politically correct and more not being a raging douche nozzle.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Look, the only person I knew on the forum as possibly being an alternate option was Ame, and she's always referred to herself as a she, which I've always supported and accepted. If not including half a dozen options, some of which I had never heard about, in a poll on a forum makes me a raging douche nozzle, then there's no way for me to avoid pissing someone off inadvertently.

Maybe realize that not everyone is out to make others feel small with their posts, eh?

Nov 18, 2011#155

makare

Yeah ame is pretty much the only one I am aware of as well and to me she is a she. hehe.

Nov 18, 2011#156

Tress

I think we should all relax. It was a simple oversight and it certainly wasn't personal. If you feel the poll didn't cover the options that would best apply to you, just say so in the thread.

Nov 18, 2011#157

phil

Krisken said:
Are you fucking kidding me?

Look, the only person I knew on the forum as possibly being an alternate option was Ame, and she's always referred to herself as a she, which I've always supported and accepted. If not including half a dozen options, some of which I had never heard about, in a poll on a forum makes me a raging douche nozzle, then there's no way for me to avoid pissing someone off inadvertently.

Maybe realize that not everyone is out to make others feel small with their posts, eh?

While not being able to speak for Bowielee directly, I'm pretty sure his comment wasn't directed at you. Rather, it was directed at Stienman's condescending remark that allowing multiple choices would be pandering to the "fanatically politically correct"

Nov 18, 2011#158

Biannoshufu

Fwiw, I'm not suggesting we go into forum extremes or anything, just saying that any poll option without grue is woefully misrepresented.

Nov 18, 2011#159

DarkAudit

Biannoshufu said:
Fwiw, I'm not suggesting we go into forum extremes or anything, just saying that any poll option without grue is woefully misrepresented.

Grue is always an option, whether it's on the list or not.

Nov 18, 2011#160

Gusto

This is why I don't trust forum polls.

Nov 18, 2011#161

strawman

Bowielee said:
You guys KNOW FOR A FACT that we have posters of differing transgender roles here, so it's less being fanatically politically correct and more not being a raging douche nozzle.

It's hilarious.

1. Someone is embarrassed by the gentle chiding of other members for using "she" when they should have said "he".
2. They start a half-way humorous poll about the situation and the confusion this misunderstanding is causing.
3. They ~~get keel hauled~~ are gently chided for not including every possible option in their poll.
4. I, laughing at the expected outcome, am, er, "gently chided" as well.
5. Those throwing insults around can't help but use sexually charged insults - further generating hilarity.

But to clear things up, I was unaware we had people on the board who preferred to be called by pronouns other than he or she. I know we have members of the transgender community, but to my knowledge they all prefer one or the other of the two primary pronouns.

I would like those who don't to speak up and tell me how they prefer to be referred to, otherwise I can't change my behavior. Third parties telling me that "some people on this board" prefer a different pronoun doesn't help me one bit, although white knighting is a noble profession because there may be some who are too timid to step into the fray and assert themselves.

To those who feel that way, I want you to know that while we may joke around on occasion, we will absolutely respect you and your decision. As this thread demonstrates this board is almost fanatic in defense of LGBT community.

Keep in mind that while gender, sex, and sexual preference are related they are separable, and this thread is primarily requesting people indicate preference of pronoun.

Nov 18, 2011#162

Biannoshufu

Keel-hauled? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?

Nov 18, 2011#163

strawman

Biannoshufu said:
Keel-hauled? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?

A little projection, a lot of hyperbole. Fade is getting run through, though, and while I don't refer to myself as a raging douche nozzle, perhaps that's merely the way kids these days say, "hi".

Nov 18, 2011#164

Biannoshufu

well I certainly don't lump you and krisken and fade together as the same person, so maybe saying "They (Krisken, right?) get keel hauled for not including every possible option in their poll."
if you mean you and fade is a bit inaccurate?

Nov 18, 2011#165

strawman

I altered my post.

Pray I don't alter it further.

Nov 18, 2011#166

Chibibar

Minor ranting that might derail here and there since I am typing as my thought formulate.

I am never a fan of the phrase "You just don't understand," but at the same times there are things in this world that we comprehend it, but just don't understand it. I know that sounds kinda strange, but there are things that unless we feel it for ourselves, it is hard to understand 100% of it. It is like child abuse. We all comprehend what it is. It is a horrible thing, but unless you were in it, there are some aspect that effect you emotionally and mentally to a whole new level. I personally wouldn't wish the life that I had when I was in Thailand on anyone. There are people out there who can empathize my situation and may comprehend the life I may have, but it will be from all the reading or what you experience yourself.

It is similar to gender, sex, and sexual preference. (I'm gonna use Shego on this one since she did tell her story on this board) I personally never experience the horror, the emotional impact, and psychological impact of her own family turn on her because of her sexual preference. I have read about it. I have seen TV shows about it (dramatization are sometimes not accurate), but I haven't personally felt the impact from it so there are some aspect of understanding beyond my reach. I have some friends who went similar path and so I can empathize with the situation.

I guess what I am trying to say is that, while I may not understand it totally, I respect people's situation. Sure it may not make sense to YOU (the general you not anyone particular) but that doesn't make it wrong does it? (well there are some things we know what is right and wrong) I love this forum. I have learn a lot from everyone. My world has expanded more and more when people tell me their stories and situation.

Well. I hope it makes sense

It did when I am typing this, but I may edit later after I have breakfast and something to drink.

Nov 18, 2011#167

Krisken

And I thought the Politics sub forum was fraught with potential mine fields.

Nov 18, 2011#168

Chibibar

Krisken said:
And I thought the Politics sub forum was fraught with potential mine fields.

All forums can have potential mine fields mate. It is all about how you word it

Nov 18, 2011#169

fade

Well, I have responses, but I'll refrain. Like I said, I don't care what your gender identity is. I'm an equal opportunity cynic. You haven't even heard me start on male and female yet.

Nov 18, 2011#170

SpecialKO

Krisken said:
And I thought the Politics sub forum was fraught with potential mine fields.

...what forum have you been visiting for the last few years?
Added at: 08:48
Incidentally, what's with the hat thing? I skipped the General forum for a week, and now I have no clue what's going on.

Nov 18, 2011#171

Dave

People are getting on the scumbag Steve meme thing.

Nov 18, 2011#172

Bowielee

phil said:
While not being able to speak for Bowielee directly, I'm pretty sure his comment wasn't directed at you. Rather, it was directed at Stienman's condescending remark that allowing multiple choices would be pandering to the "fanatically politically correct"

You are completely correct about where I was coming from.

Nov 18, 2011#173

strawman

Chibibar said:
I am never a fan of the phrase "You just don't understand,"

Everyone has a different life experience. Shego may rightly claim that I couldn't understand, but conversely she cannot understand my perspective either. Through life experience we develop lenses through which we interpret objects, events, conversation, interaction, etc. these exist on such a fundamental level that even if we understand they are there, we still aren't aware of them and will never truly be able to figure out whether something we newly experience is actually the way it is, or if we're inferring something about it based on previous experience.

Those that live non-traditional lives (whether by choice or not doesn't matter) can, to some degree, come a little closer to the traditional side because there's so much literature/movies/etc on it. But they can only approach it philosophically, because again - they are interpretting that literature through their own lenses.

I can't live according to Shego's experiences (though I can and do learn from her) and she can't live according to mine.

Throwing "you cannot understand" is just fluff, though.

Nov 18, 2011#174

Dave

But it is a truism. I can no more understand how it feels to be a woman trapped in a man's body than a transgendered person (of the male -> female persuasion) can understand how it feels to be comfortable in a man's body.

Before you have kids you think you know how it is to have kids. After having them you realize there was no way you could have known.

"You cannot understand" is a legitimate argument in certain circumstances and I'd posit that sexual identity is one of them.

Nov 18, 2011#175

Biannoshufu

stienman said:
I altered my post.

Pray I don't alter it further.

well, I think /you/ got "keel hauled" for sure but not Krisken.

Nov 18, 2011#176

Krisken

SpecialKO said:
...what forum have you been visiting for the last few years?

Well, it's not like I brought up steak or how to wipe after dropping a deuce.
Added at: 08:03

Biannoshufu said:
well, I think /you/ got "keel hauled" for sure but not Krisken.

I was decapitated by barnacles. I'm sure of it.

Nov 18, 2011#177

strawman

Biannoshufu said:
well, I think /you/ got "keel hauled" for sure but not Krisken.

Perhaps. What's delicious is that no one has called me out on the hypocrisy of that post.

But, you know, I was a hypocrite before it was cool.

Also, this blog post has relevance to the thread: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/welcome-valued-associate-chris-jaeger/

That post broke my brain and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and accept it for what it is. The perspective I've built through my life is inadequate to deal with this - and I'm making adjustments as a result.

But I hope everyone understands I do not mean any offense. I do change over time.

Nov 18, 2011#178

Biannoshufu

stienman said:
Also, this blog post has relevance to the thread: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/welcome-valued-associate-chris-jaeger/

That post broke my brain and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and accept it for what it is.

I think that's only because English is your primary language.

Nov 18, 2011#179

SpecialKO

stienman said:
Also, this blog post has relevance to the thread: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/welcome-valued-associate-chris-jaeger/

That post broke my brain and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and accept it for what it is. The perspective I've built through my life is inadequate to deal with this - and I'm making adjustments as a result.

Can I ask why? It just seems like a writing quirk, wherever it comes from/is inspired by.

Nov 18, 2011#180

fade

stienman said:
But I hope everyone understands I do not mean any offense.

They cannot.

Nov 18, 2011#181

strawman

Biannoshufu said:
I think that's only because English is your primary language.

Hmm. That could be the case. The whole kindergarten "friend" thing a bit ago threw me as well - pronouns are simply baked-in the american-english language. I would feel very awkward saying, "Shego is awesome because friend likes almost every edged weapon." Throwing away the pronoun and using friend, in my mind, implies a third person, not the subject of the sentence.
It is interesting to me how our neural pathways are defined by what we learn. In America we often teach children the names of things first. I've heard that children in China are often first taught the relationships they have to others first. Some feel Americans have an unnatural disposition to amassing things, while others feel Chinese have an unnatural loyalty to their family.
Added at: 09:37

fade said:
They cannot.

I am perhaps more optimistic than you. I suspect that the people I've argued with most vociferously would be great fun to meet in person.
On the other hand, I can't hold a grudge - I can barely remember what a past argument was about, nevermind who it was with. So, to some degree, I can't comprehend that someone may remember the first time I said something that truly offended them and can remember me and the issue because of it.

Nov 18, 2011#182

Biannoshufu

stienman said:
Hmm. That could be the case. The whole kindergarten "friend" thing a bit ago threw me as well - pronouns are simply baked-in the american-english language. I would feel very awkward saying, "Shego is awesome because friend likes almost every edged weapon." Throwing away the pronoun and using friend, in my mind, implies a third person, not the subject of the sentence.

It is interesting to me how our neural pathways are defined by what we learn. In America we often teach children the names of things first. I've heard that children in China are often first taught the relationships they have to others first. Some feel Americans have an unnatural disposition to amassing things, while others feel Chinese have an unnatural loyalty to their family.

Nov 18, 2011#183

strawman

Biannoshufu said:

Perhaps I should have phrased it better? I've personally known people who gave up what they wanted - and perhaps needed - and the behest of their family. It ranges from the simple - telling them to break off their engagement, to the sad - telling them they aren't allowed to be gay, to the horrifying - telling them they can't receive cancer treatment.

The thing is, these are adults, and should determine their own course of action, but they subjugate their will to their family.

This, of course, isn't meant to characterize them entirely, just as the american statement doesn't fit every american. Generalizations are always fraught with peril.

One's loyalty to their family is not a bad thing - but just like consumerism when taken to an extreme it can be harmful.

Nov 18, 2011#184

Espy

Nov 18, 2011#185

Jay

Nov 18, 2011#186

GasBandit

Just stating for the record, that I am a raging douchenozzle, and you're all going to have to learn to live with it.

Nov 18, 2011#187

Adammon

GasBandit said:
Just stating for the record, that I am a raging douchenozzle, and you're all going to have to learn to live with it.

Colour me shocked. Or Prussian Blue.

Nov 18, 2011#188

Biannoshufu

not electric blue?

Nov 18, 2011#189

Adammon

Biannoshufu said:
not electric blue?

If this turns into an electricity-themed punathon, you deserve to be grounded.

Nov 18, 2011#190

Biannoshufu

I just wanted to focus on the current positive possibilities, not create a resistance movement.

Nov 18, 2011#191

Adammon

Biannoshufu said:
I just wanted to focus on the current positive possibilities, not create a resistance movement.

Ohm my god, you've done it now.

Nov 18, 2011#192

LittleSin

I don't know why this has all become so complicated?

Are you a dude or identify as being a dude? Check the dude option.

Are you a chick or identify as being a chick? Check the chick option.

Do you feel like your gender identity is different? Make a post explaining. Don't pitch a small, well intended fit about it not being in a rather simple poll.

Nov 18, 2011#193

Biannoshufu

Adammon said:
Ohm my god, you've done it now.

guilty as charged. i get amped up over these things. I suppose we should pull the plug on this before it gets to the point where it hertz.
Added at: 11:15

LittleSin said:
Don't pitch a small, well intended fit about it not being in a rather simple poll.

whose doing that?

Nov 18, 2011#194

fade

Hi, my name is fade. Welcome to Halforums....LittleSin is it?

Nov 18, 2011#195

Adammon

LittleSin said:
I don't know why this has all become so complicated?

Are you a dude or identify as being a dude? Check the dude option.

Are you a chick or identify as being a chick? Check the chick option.

Do you feel like your gender identity is different? Make a post explaining. Don't pitch a small, well intended fit about it not being in a rather simple poll.

Do you agree with LittleSin? Check the agree option.
Do you disagree with LittleSin? Check the disagree option.
Does the opportunity to BelittleSin give you a tremendous ego boost and soothe whatever neurological terrors keep you up at night? Go to the PVP thread instead.

Nov 18, 2011#196

LittleSin

fade said:
Hi, my name is fade. Welcome to Halforums....LittleSin is it?

Man, is that where I am? I thought I was in a place of logic and reason.

You know...my imaginary fantasy land.

Nov 18, 2011#197

Dave

You guys make me giggle.

Nov 18, 2011#198

sixpackshaker

Krisken said:
I ready my treasure sack.

I'll loan you mine, he has twice the space for treasure that it used to...

Nov 18, 2011#199

Null

Fade said:
My statement wasn't intended to devalue, it was more a comment on my personal experience with people I've met who self-identify as (genderqueer). They tend to be the same Che shirt wearing, homeopathic medicine crowd that eschews things they think are societal impositions by choice.

Nothing offensive about that!

Nov 18, 2011#200

GasBandit

Nov 18, 2011#201

Biannoshufu

Wow gas, I had no idea you went for stupid videos instead of your own opinions. Oh wait. I mean I get that being offensive is really the point of that video, and it tries really hard, in that "no cow is sacred so let's offend and laugh at everyone and if they can't take it as a joke then they need to get over themselves," way, but the video is just a rotten pile of onion soaked catshit bad writing. its no sin to be offensive, but witless and boorish?

Nov 18, 2011#202

fade

Null said:
Nothing offensive about that!

There shouldn't be. It's an observation. I can safely say that 100% of the people I have heard self identify as such are also the same people who freely admit of their own volition that they enjoy doing things that poke at what they feel to be societal impositions. This is an observation. This is what actually happened.

Nov 18, 2011#203

GasBandit

Seven pages into this and you were expecting anything other than a video quite appropriate for the messy hash of a joke the entire discussion turned into by page 2? You're just all silicocervical because it's your particular sacred cow. If ever there was the perfect, most apropos place to embed that video, it was THIS THREAD.

Nov 18, 2011#204

Biannoshufu

GasBandit said:
Seven pages into this and you were expecting anything other than a video quite appropriate for the messy hash of a joke the entire discussion turned into by page 2? You're just all silicocervical because it's your particular sacred cow. If ever there was the perfect, most apropos place to embed that video, it was THIS THREAD.

The writing sucked.

Nov 18, 2011#205

makare

what exactly is the point of the video?

Nov 18, 2011#206

Biannoshufu

fade said:
There shouldn't be. It's an observation. I can safely say that 100% of the people I have heard self identify as such are also the same people who freely admit of their own volition that they enjoy doing things that poke at what they feel to be societal impositions. This is an observation. This is what actually happened.

Ok. That still doesn't mean you don't look like an idiot based on your remarks in this thread, professor.

Nov 18, 2011#207

Null

As an observation, people who try and reason their way out of saying things like that are douchebags 100% of the time.

Nov 18, 2011#208

GasBandit

Biannoshufu said:
The writing sucked.

Ok. That's not an unreasonable position. Harry Partridge ain't Shakespeare. But let's not pretend that a) you are a connoisseur of only the most erudite of literate works, and that b) the reason you don't like the video is it was specifically designed to piss you, exactly you, you in particular, piss you off.

Nov 18, 2011#209

fade

Null said:
As an observation, people who try and reason their way out of saying things like that are douchebags 100% of the time.

That's not an observation, that's an opinion.

Maybe you missed the post about two pages back where I said I regretted what I said. The rest was just explanation. You can explain something without condoning.

Nov 18, 2011#210

makare

It seemed too stupid to be offensive.

Nov 18, 2011#211

Biannoshufu

GasBandit said:
Ok. That's not an unreasonable position. Harry Partridge ain't Shakespeare. But let's not pretend that a) you are a connoisseur of only the most erudite of literate works, and that b) the reason you don't like the video is it was specifically designed to piss you, exactly you, you in particular, piss you off.

A) I can agree with, b) misses the mark, I love pointed jabs at the lesbian communities when they are actually well written and funny. This wasn't funny at all, and not because it was aimed at me, but because it was again, shitty writing wrapped around well worn retreads of stale stereotypes lacking any real insight.

Nov 18, 2011#212

Null

fade said:
That's not an observation, that's an opinion.

Maybe you missed the post about two pages back where I said I regretted what I said. The rest was just explanation. You can explain something without condoning.

When you explain why you're not wrong for saying something stupid, you don't really regret it.

Nov 18, 2011#213

Biannoshufu

fade said:
That's not an observation, that's an opinion.

Maybe you missed the post about two pages back where I said I regretted what I said. The rest was just explanation. You can explain something without condoning.

I don't really think you follow the point at hand. You look like an idiot because you make uninformed observations based on limited exposure with how much research on the issues being discussed? If you were say, a desk jockey for a radio station, I'd let it slide, but you are after all, a professor. But then again, that's my opinion

Nov 18, 2011#214

fade

Null said:
When you explain why you're not wrong for saying something stupid, you don't really regret it.

Incorrect on several fronts. 1) I never said I wasn't wrong. Again, see the previous post where I said you can explain something without condoning it. You're editing in the wasn't wrong part. 2) You can regret saying something without thinking what you said was wrong.

Nov 18, 2011#215

makare

I don't know about that. I have had many damn shouldnt have said that but it was totally true moments.

Nov 18, 2011#216

fade

The funny thing is, that as I've said about a billion times in this thread, I couldn't care less about your gender identity. It doesn't offend me in any way whatsoever. I observed things in life and questioned the origin based on those observations. I stated nothing as definitive (used the phrase "rings of"...perhaps should've stated as a question). I question a lot of things. I question your reason for growing a beard, Null, based on my observations of beard-wearing humans. I question why people drink PBR. I apologize for the way I worded it. That was rude. I meant no value judgement.THAT is the professor, Amy. You all interpreted it as an attack, and it's my fault for phrasing it as one.

Nov 18, 2011#217

GasBandit

Biannoshufu said:
A) I can agree with, b) misses the mark, I love pointed jabs at the lesbian communities when they are actually well written and funny. This wasn't funny at all, and not because it was aimed at me, but because it was again, shitty writing wrapped around well worn retreads of stale stereotypes lacking any real insight.

Well, I hope you took your time to click the "dislike" button then. Frankly, it didn't seem any more infantile than your average Beavis and Butthead. But there, different sacred cows are getting harpooned I guess.

"Why won't baby drink his milk, Justin Bieber? Why's he so cold?"

Nov 18, 2011#218

Biannoshufu

You phrased it as an attack, professor. If you of all people can't concisely articulate your intent and meaning the first time, then harshing on anyone who misinterprets you is just silly.

Nov 18, 2011#219

MindDetective

I know that I usually have to write multiple drafts before I get it all right. Concise articulation the first time might be a tad unfair of a standard for anyone.

Nov 18, 2011#220

Adammon

If he's the professor, I want to be Gilligan. Now casting for Mary Anne.

Nov 18, 2011#221

Biannoshufu

MindDetective said:
I know that I usually have to write multiple drafts before I get it all right. Concise articulation the first time might be a tad unfair of a standard for anyone.

Drafts are different from posts, yes?

Nov 18, 2011#222

fade

Biannoshufu said:
You phrased it as an attack, professor. If you of all people can't concisely articulate your intent and meaning the first time, then harshing on anyone who misinterprets you is just silly.

I just admitted and apologized for that.
Added at: 22:36
You know what bugs me the most, and makes me argue about this? I've known some of you for 7 years now online, and you should know that I'm the guy who usually comes to the defense of special interest groups. A little benefit of the doubt would have been nice.

Nov 18, 2011#223

Biannoshufu

fade said:
I just admitted and apologized for that.

Odd it read more like a defense than apology, but I'm pretty drunk at the moment so we'll say its all me. Carry on, professor.

Nov 18, 2011#224

GasBandit

fade said:
I just admitted and apologized for that.
Added at: 22:36
You know what bugs me the most, and makes me argue about this? I've known some of you for 7 years now online, and you should know that I'm the guy who usually comes to the defense of special interest groups. A little benefit of the doubt would have been nice.

I know! I almost said something about it! But it's so enthralling to watch!

Nov 18, 2011#225

Null

Justifications are not apologies, and saying "Everyone I've met you acts like you is basically a douchebag, no offense" doesn't leave a lot of room for benefit of the doubt.

Nov 18, 2011#226

MindDetective

Biannoshufu said:
Drafts are different from posts, yes?

I would say so, in that posts are usually off the cuff and rarely revised, while drafts are kept private through their many revisions. I'm just sayin' there should be a little bit of slack for people here when folks put their foot in their mouth.

Nov 18, 2011#227

Null

MindDetective said:
I would say so, in that posts are usually off the cuff and rarely revised, while drafts are kept private through their many revisions. I'm just sayin' there should be a little bit of slack for people here when folks put their foot in their mouth.

They run out of slack after they've eaten the third toe.

Nov 18, 2011#228

fade

No, the apology was the apology.

It is MY turn to take offense. I never said that people who force themselves to do something because they feel it is against societal impositions are douchebags. In fact, I've been friend and teacher to many of them. I merely questioned if this was another example. Feel free to check my posts. Not once did I say that those were bad things. That is YOUR interpretation.

Nov 18, 2011#229

makare

poor fade he has now had to resort to "some of my best friends...."

Nov 18, 2011#230

MindDetective

Null said:
They run out of slack after they've eaten the third toe.

I'd like to request a little more slack than that. I'm certain I'll need it at some point...

Nov 18, 2011#231

Espy

MindDetective said:
I'd like to request a little more slack than that. I'm certain I'll need it at some point...

Request denied. If we gave into that request all this sitting around waiting to judge you would be totally worthless now wouldn't it?

Nov 18, 2011#232

Null

Fade said:
Che shirt wearing, homeopathic medicine crowd

So, professor, enlighten us as to the specific connotation you were going for by characterizing people as thus. The popular perception would seem to be "poseurs who have no idea what they think they're representing", but you claim that's not what you're going for.

So what did you mean by that?

Nov 18, 2011#233

Biannoshufu

MindDetective said:
I would say so, in that posts are usually off the cuff and rarely revised, while drafts are kept private through their many revisions. I'm just sayin' there should be a little bit of slack for people here when folks put their foot in their mouth.

I disagree. I think holding each other to higher standards than off the cuff gives the conversations more value, especially in topics like this.

Nov 18, 2011#234

fade

makare said:
poor fade he has now had to resort to "some of my best friends...."

I had 5 seconds in the pool for how long that would take. I guess I was off by about 20. If it makes you feel any better, then I was that person for a long time, then.
Added at: 22:52

Null said:
So, professor, enlighten us as to the specific connotation you were going for by characterizing people as thus. The popular perception would seem to be "poseurs who have no idea what they think they're representing", but you claim that's not what you're going for.
So what did you mean by that?

I actually just meant leftist people who support controversial things. But of course you won't believe that. I was kind of wondering why you quoted that earlier as offensive.

Nov 18, 2011#235

Null

Che shirts as controversial? They sell them at the fucking GAP.

Nov 18, 2011#236

Espy

Null said:
Che shirts as controversial? They sell them at the fucking GAP.

Thats sounds pretty controversial.

Nov 18, 2011#237

Biannoshufu

Espy said:
Thats sounds pretty controversial.

Not ironic?

Nov 18, 2011#238

GasBandit

Null said:
Che shirts as controversial? They sell them at the fucking GAP.

And there is controversy. Seriously dude, I'm all for aggressive confrontation, but as far as this thread goes, you need to spend some time working that bedpost out of your ass already. And this is coming from me.

Nov 18, 2011#239

fade

Okay.
Added at: 23:08
Eh, whatever. I know what I meant. I've explained it. I've apologized for a poor choice of words. (Yes, you can do both, and truly mean both.) The jury cast their vote. So be it.

Nov 18, 2011#240

Krisken

I only went to sleep for 6 hours. I wasn't expecting to wake up to 2 more pages of lolwut.

Nov 18, 2011#241

LittleSin

Same here Krisken. I just went out Christmas shopping...what the fuck is this shit?

Nov 18, 2011#242

Cajungal

I invented my own gender. It's just me, my college roommate, and my piano tuner.

Nov 18, 2011#243

Krisken

Cajungal said:
I invented my own gender. It's just me, my college roommate, and my piano tuner.

Mixed together or each as a separate entity?

Nov 18, 2011#244

Cajungal

Krisken said:
Mixed together or each as a separate entity?

Well we're all under the umbrella of it. So, separate. Allow me to present you with a visual aid:

Nov 18, 2011#245

Hailey Knight

How the hell is this eight pages? Are you people that confused? I don't have time to read all this right now... :/

Nov 18, 2011#246

Shakey

I have a penis, so I think I'm a guy. I'm not so sure after reading this thread though.

Nov 18, 2011#247

Gusto

I'm two men.

Nov 18, 2011#248

Biannoshufu

LittleSin said:
Same here Krisken. I just went out Christmas shopping...what the fuck is this shit?

A forum thread? You seem shocked

Nov 18, 2011#249

Krisken

Cajungal said:
Well we're all under the umbrella of it. So, separate. Allow me to present you with a visual aid:

Ah. When I read 'piano tuner', I thought of

Nov 18, 2011#250

Hailey Knight

fade said:
I'll be honest--I can't help but be insulted when someone uses the phrase, "You can't possibly understand". I can understand it perfectly well. I just have very strong reservations about believing it on the basis of my own observations.

To get things back on track in this thread: Fade, the reason you're insulted is because you can't possibly understand. Deep down, you just don't like being left out.

And yet you are.

Nov 18, 2011#251

fade

Well, I totally disagree on many bases that I won't bother going into. I don't feel left out at all when people say that (is it irony that you are presuming that you understand how I feel?).

In fact, the many ironies of this thread as a whole are incredible.

Nov 18, 2011#252

Allen who is Quiet

Gusto said:
I'm two men.

I'm two-and-a-half men. [insert Charlie Sheen references here because I'm not funny]

Nov 18, 2011#253

Krisken

Allen who is Quiet said:
I'm two-and-a-half men. [insert Charlie Sheen references here because I'm not funny]

That's ok, neither is Two-and-a-half men.

Nov 18, 2011#254

Hailey Knight

fade said:
Well, I totally disagree on many bases that I won't bother going into. I don't feel left out at all when people say that (is it irony that you are presuming that you understand how I feel?).

In fact, the many ironies of this thread as a whole are incredible.

I wish I was clever enough to commit irony, but instead I was just trying to create a paradox. In a sarcastic comment that doesn't take the discussion seriously because I did all this in my Psychology of Women class in 2004 and don't feel like doing it anymore; plus, I missed the main body of discussion anyway and now it's just time for jokes about umbrellas while chalking up gender as one of those controversial Halforums topics along with quiznos vs subway, steak, and how one wipes his/her/neutral's ass.

Nov 18, 2011#255

Emrys

I will never, ever post a poppy avatar again.

Nov 18, 2011#256

Krisken

Emrys said:
I will never, ever post a poppy avatar again.

I will never comment on your avatar again. I think it's a fair compromise.

Nov 18, 2011#257

Allen who is Quiet

Let's never get Tress's gender incorrect again. I don't think she likes it very much when we do that.

Nov 18, 2011#258

Emrys

Krisken said:
I will never comment on your avatar again. I think it's a fair compromise.

Deal.
Though I think we should still mug these people while they're arguing. Especially over in the "what offends you" thread.

Nov 19, 2011#259

Tress

Allen who is Quiet said:
Let's never get Tress's gender incorrect again. I don't think she likes it very much when we do that.

Nov 19, 2011#260

Officer_Charon

I... just... what the....

*headwheel*

Carry on, Halforums. Carry on.

Nov 19, 2011#261

Vagabond

It doesn't really make a difference when the lights are out.

Right, Krisken?

Nov 19, 2011#262

Krisken

Vagabond said:
It doesn't really make a difference when the lights are out.

Right, Krisken?

Awwww yeeaahh!

Nov 19, 2011#263

Shegokigo

I'm going to have to say yes Vagabond, it very much does matters when the lights are out!

Nov 19, 2011#264

Biannoshufu

Shegokigo said:
I'm going to have to say yes Vagabond, it very much does matters when the lights are out!

Depends on the amount of alcohol in the blood stream, I think.

Nov 19, 2011#265

Hailey Knight

Biannoshufu said:
Depends on the amount of alcohol in the blood stream, I think.

Wow...

Nov 19, 2011#266

Biannoshufu

Quotemander Prime said:
Wow...

First hand experience + discussions with friends in my LGB circles.

Nov 20, 2011#267

SeraRelm

First "hand experience" or firsthand experience?

Nov 20, 2011#268

Null

I get it!

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