WoW: New Race Leak

[Bowielee]

The Scythe of Elune quests are awsome and you can pretty much piece together most of the history of HOW the worgen got to Azeroth, but not a whole lot of the WHY.

You pretty much have do questlines in 2 continents to get that much info. Though, I'm not even sure how much the horde quests get into the scythe of Elune. If I recall, most of their Worgen history is basically centered around Arugal.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I knew this would happen, someone was going to shoop a Worgen and try to pass it off as real. I have to admit though, this guy put a lot of effort into his fake, I can actually see it being in the game.

 

[KCWM]

i kid

Thats a pretty cool model. Just reading what you guys have to say here makes me hope that worgen are playable. Ever since BC, I've thought that goblins would be a playable race at some point...but it was just a hunch then.

 

[ScytheRexx]

Most of us believe it was a race leak, others think it was Blizzard doing this on purpose to generate hype for BlizzCon, etc... Lots of interesting theories from both sides of the camp. The Metzen comment threw a lot more onto the fire.

 

[HoboNinja]

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

 

[Chazwozel]

Metzen is an evil, evil man. Here is part of an interview at ComicCon that had Metzen answer a rather interesting question.

Medievaldragon: Are we ever seeing the Scythe of Elune questline and how it all tied into Karazhan and the Dark Riders explored in a future pocket book?

Metzen: I will say there are elements of the Scythe of Elune questline that are not ... over ... (long silence).

Neilson: (laughs)

Metzen: ... (longer silence) Alright, that’s all I’m saying. (laughs)

Woah, WOAH! (Metzen jokingly makes a motion with his hands and legs as if tight-rope walking).

(Everyone laughs)

Medievaldragon: Quick sand! Quick sand!

The Scythe of Elune is one of the biggest mystery quests in the game, and is tied intimately to the Worgen. His display is characteristic of him wanting to tell us something big is coming involving it, but not able to give it away without getting in trouble. He actually did something similar a few months back, when asked about Gilneas he simply stopped, looked around, said "We have some very, very interesting plans for Gilneas", looked around some more, before saying "That is all I am going to say, they have snipers on the roof."

I thought he said "they forgot about Gilneas."

 

[Shegokigo]

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

 

[Chazwozel]

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

I was gonna say... I think the Worgen would have more alliance affiliation since, if and when their nation was human, they were briefly part of the alliance.

 

[ScytheRexx]

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarens and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

What makes you say that? The only "canon" Pandaren we saw so far was on the Horde, Chen Stormstout. The fact that the Pandaren are known as strong followers of the Earthmother, the same goddess of the Tauren, puts them more on the Horde then the Alliance, at least spiritually.

I thought he said "they forgot about Gilneas.

That was an interview years ago, around the time BC was occurring or before. People were bringing up Grim Batol and Gilneas a lot, and he flat out said "We forgot about Gilneas." I was under the opinion he said that mostly to just shut people up about it. irate:

The recent interview, done by the webmaster of BlizzPlanet, was actually for the latest WarCraft Novel, "Arthas", but they went off on a lot of random questions about WarCraft lore in general. Like I said before in this thread, when Gilneas was once again brought up during the interview, Metzen looked around like he wanted to tell us something but was unable to do it. He made this smirk and is words were, and I am paraphrasing since I can't look for the video right now, that "We have some very... "interesting" plans for Gilneas. But you know... snipers on the roof, that is all I am going to say." The webmaster didn't push any further, but it caused a major buzz around the WarCraft lore community. That, and the appearance of Genn Greymane during "Arthas", makes people think Gilneas will soon become more prominent in the near future as more then just another random zone. Genn even appeared during the induction of Arthas into the Silver Hand, he was the only national leader other then Varian Wrynn to do so, which many of us found odd considering he was the least loyal to the Alliance as a whole, and downright despised Terenas.

 

[Chazwozel]

Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Old Azeroth needs some kind of friggin' update. I know it's supposed to be that if you start a new character, he/she exists earlier in time than when it would get to level 80, but level 80s do go back from time to time. I would love to see at least some of phasing affect the old continents. It's really awesome in Lich King.

 

[GeneralOrder24]

Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

Sorry Chaz, but doesn't the gnome intro cutscene describe Gnomeregan as being "irrevocably lost," or something along those lines?

EDIT: and then goes on to say they're working with the dwarves to take it back. There's some good writing right there.

 

[SpecialKO]

Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

I will go back to playing my gnome-lock if that happens.

 

[ScytheRexx]

Long time ago I submitted a suggestion that would have allowed the return of Gnomeregan without losing the instance, and it involves a secondary part of the city being found and opened. In other words it would be similar to how Silvermoon is represented right now, one side lived in and healthy, the other side lost and corrupt.

Obviously they never used it, bastards. :waah:

 

[SpecialKO]

Long time ago I submitted a suggestion that would have allowed the return of Gnomeregan without losing the instance, and it involves a secondary part of the city being found and opened. In other words it would be similar to how Silvermoon is represented right now, one side lived in and healthy, the other side lost and corrupt.

Obviously they never used it, bastards. :waah:

That would be sweet.

I would like a new lvl 80 instance where players more deeply investigate the cause of the trogg invasion. Would fit theoretically with any plot involving the return of the Titans [spoiler:3dq6suli]or another Old God waking up[/spoiler:3dq6suli]

 

[Bowielee]

If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

 

[Hailey Knight]

If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

Yeah, Blood Elves need more places to find and kill them.

 

[SpecialKO]

If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

Re-taking ZG for Trolldom, maybe? It's not like anyone goes there at all anymore, except to 5-man Hakkar for kicks.

 

[Hailey Knight]

And achievements!

Sometimes people can't even 5-man it. We had a raid group made of total RETARDS, disorganized, running in all directions. The few level 60s would go running off on their own, dying, and then asking everyone to come back so they could be rezzed rather than walking... and people actually did it for the lazy bums.

When it came to Hakkar, EVERYONE DIED, meaning level 80s as well, except my fiance's Warlock, who was down to about 500 health before killing the damn thing and getting the achievement for everyone.

I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

 

[HoboNinja]

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

Sure Chen did help with that but I think the Pandarians would work much better as allies of the Alliance and the Dwarves in particular than Horde.

-- Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:34 am --

And achievements!

Sometimes people can't even 5-man it. We had a raid group made of total RETARDS, disorganized, running in all directions. The few level 60s would go running off on their own, dying, and then asking everyone to come back so they could be rezzed rather than walking... and people actually did it for the lazy bums.

When it came to Hakkar, EVERYONE DIED, meaning level 80s as well, except my fiance's Warlock, who was down to about 500 health before killing the damn thing and getting the achievement for everyone.

I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

Umm they are cakewalks... we 6 manned ZG at 70 and I know people who did it with 2 or 3.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I went to Molten Core at 70; the enemies do not simply fall over and die like I would except a grayed 60 elite to do for a level 70. That is what I mean when I say they are not cakewalks. People go into these things thinking the level 80s can "run" them no matter what stupid crap they pull. You still have to be smart about it.

I mean yeah, we've 5-manned Onyxia, but we still needed to heal and such.

 

[Shegokigo]

I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

A good solid raiding guild will throw in old world raids once a month for achievements. Any chance in getting in on some of those?

Sure Chen did help with that but I think the Pandarians would work much better as allies of the Alliance and the Dwarves in particular than Horde.

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning behind that.

Umm they are cakewalks... we 6 manned ZG at 70 and I know people who did it with 2 or 3.

Heh, there's a video of a Death Knight soloing all of ZG.

I went to Molten Core at 70; the enemies do not simply fall over and die like I would except a grayed 60 elite to do for a level 70. That is what I mean when I say they are not cakewalks. People go into these things thinking the level 80s can "run" them no matter what stupid crap they pull. You still have to be smart about it.

I mean yeah, we've 5-manned Onyxia, but we still needed to heal and such.

People have 2-3 manned all of Molten Core, and there are plenty of classes who have soloed Ony. It's a cake walk if the people are competant and very well geared. :slywink:

 

[HoboNinja]

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning behind that.

Just playing through War3 they seem like too peaceful of a race to be with the Horde, during the part of the lore where Chen helps with Org it's kind of a calm time where the horde is all nice and goody goody with Jaina... granted lorewise the Horde are actually not bad guys but still. They seem too peaceful, also the love for brewing makes them fit with the Dwarves, shit almost every piece of Pandarian lore I found in WoW was in Alliance quests, maybe I just got unlucky on my horde characters and didn't do those quests.

Like sure they are pretty buff and beast mode but overall they just seem like nice Pandas.

 

[ScytheRexx]

Just playing through War3 they seem like too peaceful of a race to be with the Horde, during the part of the lore where Chen helps with Org it's kind of a calm time where the horde is all nice and goody goody with Jaina... granted lorewise the Horde are actually not bad guys but still. They seem too peaceful, also the love for brewing makes them fit with the Dwarves, poop almost every piece of Pandarian lore I found in WoW was in Alliance quests, maybe I just got unlucky on my horde characters and didn't do those quests.

The Alliance is being more of a warmongering faction this expansion. It was the Alliance that declared War on the Horde after the Wrathgate, even though Thrall sent a signed letter of apology and went himself to kill the betrayers that caused it. Varian Wrynn even spends half his time taking any chance he can to push Garrosh into fighting him, which in the next patch reaches a new level of stupid when they cause all the champions of one side to get brutally murdered. Garrosh at least is not top of the Horde food chain though, Varian does not have someone like Thrall to hold him back in the least.

Also, not sure what you means about every piece of Pandaren Lore you found in Alliance quests. The only quest that even mentions the Pandaren is Chen's Empty Keg, a Horde quest in the Barrens. Not a single other quest even mentions the Pandaren, and I know that for certain since I have done nearly every quest in the game. (minus the Alliance Northrend quests). Can you point out the one I might have missed? I would like to see it.

As for the brewing, just because the dwarves are stereotypically drunks, does not mean the other races don't like to brew. Chen himself helped the orc Drohn start his own brewery, which appears at the Horde version of Brewfest every year (Drohn is the same orc you turn-in the Keg from Chen). In the end, the Pandaren can go either way just like how the Blood Elves suddenly became Horde, but the precedent "so far" makes them seem more Horde-aligned, both practically and spiritually.

 

[Bowielee]

As for the brewing, just because the dwarves are stereotypically drunks, does not mean the other races don't like to brew. Chen himself helped the orc Drohn start his own brewery, which appears at the Horde version of Brewfest every year (Drohn is the same orc you turn-in the Keg from Chen). In the end, the Pandaren can go either way just like how the Blood Elves suddenly became Horde, but the precedent "so far" makes them seem more Horde-aligned, both practically and spiritually.

I don't think Blood Elves being Horde was that surprising givent the events of the Frozen throne. The alliance totally screwed the eleves over, so I can see why they would refuse joining.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I don't think Blood Elves being Horde was that surprising givent the events of the Frozen throne. The alliance totally screwed the eleves over, so I can see why they would refuse joining.

I was talking more about the precedent. The Blood Elves, through WarCraft 2 and WarCraft 3, were Alliance (High Elves). The precedent was for them to once again be Alliance. Them being on Horde was still considered a rather large curve ball when BC came out, not that any of us minded it.

I was just bringing them up because I wanted to explain that while the Pandaren can go Horde or Alliance (Much like how the Blood Elves switched) the precedent right now is leaning on the Horde. As silly as it is, Chen Stormstout is the only thing we got to a close representation of them, and since Blizzard will probably never add them to the game for fear of losing China as a market, he may be the last representation of the race.

 

[Shegokigo]

What was a nice little bit of lore was Zul'Aman going anti-Horde because of the joining of the Blood Elves.

 

[ScytheRexx]

What was a nice little bit of lore was Zul'Aman going anti-Horde because of the joining of the Blood Elves.

If only they actually went further with that instead of making us go in for a guy whose name is a play off "Redneck". rly: Sorry Zul'Aman was a sore spot for me, one of the only instances I felt Blizzard wasted it's potential once it actually got into the game.

 

[JCM]

This is for all my fellow WoW players that may not have seen this. This was discovered by Handclaw, a poster on one of the lore boards I visit for WarCraft.

It seems while he was datamining the new PTR, he noticed some new textures were added to the game. They were new "masks" for the Hallow's End yearly world event. In case those don't remember, these masks are just flat models with the face texture of one of the playable races stretched over it, both male and female. Here is what Handclaw found.

Seems we will be having Goblins and Worgen next expansion.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Plus, the Alliance are shitheads, and the Pandarans would never ally with shitheads.

 

[Pojodan]

Plus, the Alliance are shitheads, and the Pandarans would never ally with shitheads.

The Humans are shitheads.

The Dwarfs are too drunk to realize this, and the gnomes like the dwarfs too much to go anywhere else.

The Night Elves hates the horde too much to ally with anyone else, and the Dreanei are at great odds with the Blood Elves, so them siding with the Horde makes siding with the Alliance make sense.


So, truely, the Alliance is rather disjointed, but all basically in it for the same cause.


Except the gnomes, they just build stuff and act weird.

 

[SpecialKO]

There's no player faction who's really "heroic" in the game atm besides the Orcs.

The Trollkin are essentially subservient to the Orcs (and their cousins are bad guys for tons of dungeons and zones), the Tauren are less heroic than "we would appreciate being left alone", the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

 

[ScytheRexx]

the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

 

[SpecialKO]

the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

We'll see. Since Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, it's worth noting that she was likely only annoyed that Putress and Varimathras tried to oust her. There's nothing to suggest that she's shelved her original plans.

 

[Bowielee]

the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

We'll see. Since Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, it's worth noting that she was likely only annoyed that Putress and Varimathras tried to oust her. There's nothing to suggest that she's shelved her original plans.

Though, the plague that Sylvanas is working on is different that the other plague. She's trying to basically make all of Azeroth undead so the other races have no choice but to accept them.

Putress and Varimathras are working on a plague that basically works the same as the Lich plague but with them as the controlling mind.