WoW: New Race Leak
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She ordered the creation of the plague after Varimathras was already her second-in-command. Remember, this is a DREAD LORD we are talking about here. They are all about deception, manipulation, and betrayal. This is made all the more clear in the Ashbringer comic, just to be clear, these are spoilers.TeKeo said:
Near the end of the second release of the comic, Balnazzar, who had taken control of the Scarlet Crusade through the body of Dathrohan, meets with his brother Varimathras in the shadows of Tirisfal. The two speak about their plans and machinations, and soon they are greeted by one of Varimathras' loyal minions, the Forsaken Castillian. The mage brought back plague spores from Naxxramas, that Varimathras mentioned he would bring to his minion, Putress, in order to complete "his" plague.
Even not counting that, other stories had appeared in sources like the RPG. One involved a Forsaken that had come across a letter that was to be sent to Strathholme. This letter proved Varimathras and his loyal agents were controlling the Forsaken from within, and that something horrible was to happen in the future. He took the letter to the throne room, yelling out for the Dark Lady saying they are all being deceived. To his horror, Sylvanas was not in the throne room, instead only a lone Varimathras stood in Sylvanas place apon the platform. He comments that Sylvanas had left for a bit, but that he would handle the issue personally. The last scene is Varimathras closing the doors on the terrified Forsaken, his fate unknown, but pretty obvious.
If anything I don't see the Blight being continued. Sylvanas by now probably realizes that the plague she was developing was due to the whispers of a demon she thought she was controlling, only for herself to get the wake-up call of a lifetime when Varimathras almost killed her. It even makes it clear from the Forsaken outside Orgrimmar, during the Battle of the Undercity event, that Sylvanas fought tooth and nail to save as many of her people as she could rather then fleeing to save her own skin. That is not something the old Sylvanas would have done. They have been hinting this ever since the foundation of the Tranquillian. And I am sure you have heard the .
There are many other observations pointing to a possible change in the Forsaken for the coming expansions. While I don't think they will become gumdrops and sunshine, I do feel Blizzard is trying to make the conflict even more grey then before, with the Alliance being the much more aggressive entity, and the Horde growing closer and closer as a single force of unity.
Actually, that is not true. "The Blight" is the culmination of the Forsaken Plague, and was not developed to bring others into undeath. The purpose of the Blight was to gain a weapon that could be used to counteract the Scourge, something so deadly, so corrosive, that nothing living or dead could survive it. This is why even the Forsaken themselves adorn gas masks while working with the worst of it, since inhaling the substance would kill them just as much as it would kill anything else.
The Blight was to be used to wipe out the Scourge, and then used to wipe out any other enemies of the Forsaken in the aftermath. Sylvanas made it very clear that the Scourge was her #1 target for the plague, since until Arthas is killed, she will never die, she is in constant torment by this fact. Just an FYI.
Err, so wait then. Does that mean if Arthas is killed, Sylvanas dies? What if they attach phasing to raid results?
I believe they have already stated that Arthas won't be the big boss for this expansion. I think he's just too important to the Lore to die. They could have him run away at the last minute, but without the lich king, there is no Scourge, so that would royally screw the lore.escushion said:
How can he not be? It's Wrath of the Lich King. Who are people gonna fight, Nerzhul?Bowielee said:
This is my best guess:
We fight and kill Arthas, Nerzhul possesses Tirion at some point and becomes the new Lich King and is wisked away somewhere to brood and reform the Scourge.
That would explain how they'll avoid having Frostmourne drop and will give a reason for the non-corrupted Ashbringer to become loot.
We fight and kill Arthas, Nerzhul possesses Tirion at some point and becomes the new Lich King and is wisked away somewhere to brood and reform the Scourge.
That would explain how they'll avoid having Frostmourne drop and will give a reason for the non-corrupted Ashbringer to become loot.
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Arthas will be defeated, yes, we've already seen signs of that, what with him being blasted by the Ashbringer, the Forsaken plauge, and other things. Arthas is not in good shape.
Arthas, however, is just part of the Lich King, bound together by Frostmourn.
My personal vision for Icecrown is that Arthas is the first encounter and is rather easy as fights go, but rather than die, the Lich King separates from him and Frostmourn falls to the ground. Someone, likely Tirion, will rush forth and pick up Frostmourn and the Lich King will bind to him and disappear deeper into Icecrown. The raid then has to fight through the remaining bosses to reach the new Lich King where the final, epic battle will take place.
What happens then, though... I have no idea.
Arthas, however, is just part of the Lich King, bound together by Frostmourn.
My personal vision for Icecrown is that Arthas is the first encounter and is rather easy as fights go, but rather than die, the Lich King separates from him and Frostmourn falls to the ground. Someone, likely Tirion, will rush forth and pick up Frostmourn and the Lich King will bind to him and disappear deeper into Icecrown. The raid then has to fight through the remaining bosses to reach the new Lich King where the final, epic battle will take place.
What happens then, though... I have no idea.
Considering how much Metzen loves Tirion, I don't think he will become the next Lich King. I have actually been assuming Garrosh would take that mantle, because out of all the characters, he would be the most brash and stupid to think he could handle the influence of the Lich King.
Oh, and just an FYI, Ner'zhul does not exist at this point. His soul is buried deep inside the mind of Arthas, after Arthas betrayed him inside his mental landscape. This is one of the reasons the Scourge is not doing as well, because the Lich King no longer has the cold calculations of Ner'zhul, and instead the brash, cocky arrogance of the fallen prince. The only time Ner'zhul may escape this fate is when Arthas dies, and I see exactly that happening, with him taking a new, much more controllable host.
Oh, and just to clarify, Sylvanas will not just fall over dead once Arthas is killed. The issue is that her soul is bound to his. You can go into the Undercity and cut down Sylvanas, destroying her almost entirely, and she will reform in a few days. She can never rest or be destroyed. When the day comes that Sylvanas is finally free of that, she may take her life, she may not, we would have to wait to see how that story progresses.
I just hope she does have something to do with Icecrown, it would be a shame if she didn't considering how much history she has with Arthas.
Oh, and just an FYI, Ner'zhul does not exist at this point. His soul is buried deep inside the mind of Arthas, after Arthas betrayed him inside his mental landscape. This is one of the reasons the Scourge is not doing as well, because the Lich King no longer has the cold calculations of Ner'zhul, and instead the brash, cocky arrogance of the fallen prince. The only time Ner'zhul may escape this fate is when Arthas dies, and I see exactly that happening, with him taking a new, much more controllable host.
Oh, and just to clarify, Sylvanas will not just fall over dead once Arthas is killed. The issue is that her soul is bound to his. You can go into the Undercity and cut down Sylvanas, destroying her almost entirely, and she will reform in a few days. She can never rest or be destroyed. When the day comes that Sylvanas is finally free of that, she may take her life, she may not, we would have to wait to see how that story progresses.
I just hope she does have something to do with Icecrown, it would be a shame if she didn't considering how much history she has with Arthas.
Wasn't he dead too?Dei said:
[spoiler:1i14ikpy]If you are still playing WoW, go do the dailies in Icecrown that have you deal with the Scarlet Onslaught.[/spoiler:1i14ikpy]
[spoiler:1i14ikpy]Basically, after being "defeated" by Arthas, Mal'Ganis took a page from Balnazzar's book and has been posing as the Grand Admiral of the Scarlet Onslaught. (The guy who shows up to taunt you after you kill that chick in Dragonblight)[/spoiler:1i14ikpy]
[spoiler:1i14ikpy]Basically, after being "defeated" by Arthas, Mal'Ganis took a page from Balnazzar's book and has been posing as the Grand Admiral of the Scarlet Onslaught. (The guy who shows up to taunt you after you kill that chick in Dragonblight)[/spoiler:1i14ikpy]
Haven't gotten to Icecrown yet, though I do remember the guy in Dragonblight.
All orphans have been playable races to, the orphans that just came out are Wolvar and Gorlocks.
Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.
Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.
Orphans? Are you talking about NPC orphans from different parts of the game?DANEgerous said:
He's trying to use SR's argument that we've only ever gotten masks of playable races. Technically the guy is right, as the orphans up to this point had been human/orc and draenei/BE. He's claiming that since the new orphans are invalidating SR's argument or something.Shegokigo said:
The problem is the new orphans aren't part of Children's Week, and don't count towards any achievements for it.
Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.
Ooh! The new guy may have something. Or not. We still just don't know anything. But Blizz is so good about keeping interest high...
Oh yeah, it's early, early data which means for all we know it'll get scrapped. But the basic idea he gave me was a leather or mail class, using special marks to turn damage done into healing abilities for your party. Based off of three "gems" somewhat like a combo system.Frankie said:
I hope we get some of those crazy Blademaster abilities from Warcraft 3, like the multi-clones and the Whirlwind of Death.
The data I was told about makes it sound like an Enhancement Shaman but with a different system to replace mana.Shakey said:
Like I said though, this was pulled from some early code some internet dude found, so it could all be a load of crap.
This was actually due to player pressure then anything else. We have been complaining for ages that Blizzard didn't add new pets for a new Northrend-based Children's Week. Since there were no new races added for WOTLK, they had to choose orphans from the pool of Northrend-based races, the Wolvar and Oracles being the best option.DANEgerous said:
You might have invalidated one out of dozens, good job! Still got a ways to go to actually invalidate enough to matter.
Also to update on this, both WoW.com and MMO-Champion confirm through "internal sources" that Goblin and Worgen are slated as the new races, and that it will be called "World of WarCraft: Cataclysm" Take it with a grain of salt, but both websites are very much tied with Blizzard these days, so much that is would be hard pressed to doubt them with such information, in the end though it will be down to Blizzard.
Other then that, everyone enjoying the new patch?
I have been having a blast getting the new badges to gear out my tanking Paladin. That has been an experience.
One of the more interesting things I learned only partly involves WoW, just got confirmed that Ozzy Osbourne is going to play at BlizzCon in a closed concert to all attendees. I knew Ozzy played WoW and was actually more hardcore then I am when it comes to his playtime, but I never expected him to play a concert like BlizzCon. Call me excited, because I always was a fan of Ozzy.
http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090811.html
One of the more interesting things I learned only partly involves WoW, just got confirmed that Ozzy Osbourne is going to play at BlizzCon in a closed concert to all attendees. I knew Ozzy played WoW and was actually more hardcore then I am when it comes to his playtime, but I never expected him to play a concert like BlizzCon. Call me excited, because I always was a fan of Ozzy.
http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090811.html
Well damn, that's awesome.ScytheRexx said:
And yeah, enjoying the patch so far. Haven't done the 10 or 25 of the new raid, but the Heroic and 5 man is pretty fun. My only gripe is there needs to be a bit more downtime between the two phases of the Champion fight. I barely have time to go from a lance to my Titan's Grip weapons since I can't just use the Armory swap (it errors if you have a lance or fishing pole in your MH).
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