WoW: New Race Leak

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ScytheRexx said:
tegid said:
wouldn't these two be Horde races?
What makes you say that? Because one used to be Horde and the other looks like a wolf? Blood Elves used to be Alliance, but now they are Horde. Races can fall anywhere Blizzard wants them to lean.
I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil :eek:rly:

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.


(Thanks Raven, your answer was useful!)
 
tegid said:
I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil :eek:rly:
Still a bit confused. Just because Worgen are presented as "evil" goes not mean they would be Horde by default, the Horde itself is not evil, and actually the main leader of the Horde is more a peace-humping guy then the main leader of the Alliance. The Forsaken were long exceptions till recently, when they culled the most evil among them, and the Blood Elves were redeemed at the end of Burning Crusade by Velen.

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.
They were beaten down out of the former glory they held, but not anywhere near extinct. There are more blood elves in the world then we have Gnomes or Darkspear Trolls. Even so, I don't see what being beaten down, near extinct or not, would make you more inclined to join the Horde. Guess I am just not understanding what you mean. Sorry. :(
 
ScytheRexx said:
Not sure if you heard me earlier Shego, but the long standing rumor among the community is that they are merging the two expansions from that old list, making a Maelstrom/Emerald Dream based expansion. On that list, for instance, Goblins were never set as playable, but instead Pandaren were as the Worgen counter. We will have to see, but I really do think if the Worgen rumors are true, they will be added this expansion, not the next.
Well it would make sense, as WotLK didn't have any races, though I really don't see how putting in Emerald Dream and Xorothian would be a good idea, with the xpac after Maelstrom supposed to be the "Planes". Unless they're planning on pulling a Sunwell/Icecrown and have Emerald dream as the final "big raid zone" before the xpac following, which would make a good transition now that I think about it for the following "Planes" xpac.
 
ScytheRexx said:
tegid said:
I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil :eek:rly:
Still a bit confused. Just because Worgen are presented as "evil" goes not mean they would be Horde by default, the Horde itself is not evil, and actually the main leader of the Horde is more a peace-humping guy then the main leader of the Alliance. The Forsaken were long exceptions till recently, when they culled the most evil among them, and the Blood Elves were redeemed at the end of Burning Crusade by Velen.

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.
They were beaten down out of the former glory they held, but not anywhere near extinct. There are more blood elves in the world then we have Gnomes or Darkspear Trolls. Even so, I don't see what being beaten down, near extinct or not, would make you more inclined to join the Horde. Guess I am just not understanding what you mean. Sorry. :(
I just meant it would make it easier or more natural for them to 'change sides' if they have been badly defeated and their culture is diluted or whatever.

Hey, I don't know shit about Warcraft lore, so don't mind me! :heythere:
 
tegid said:
I just meant it would make it easier or more natural for them to 'change sides' if they have been badly defeated and their culture is diluted or whatever.

Hey, I don't know shit about Warcraft lore, so don't mind me! :heythere:
Well the "argument" for Goblin on Horde is that they've been "closer" to them for longer, aka the Goblin Zepplins and other goblin related products they've engineered for them.
 
I'm sure Goblin's aren't too happy with the Alliance since they kidnapped one of them so they could use his zeppelin for bombing runs in Howling Fjord.
 
As i recall Goblin Sappers where part of the Horde in WC2... [strike:2u6nhamo]possibly[/strike:2u6nhamo] Zeppelins too...
 
It is my opinion that adding Goblin and Worgen would actually be the last step to equalizing the races. Goblin and Gnomes are the short technological races. Worgen on the other hand can be the Alliance's version of the Forsaken, a race of questionable character. If they go the "cursed human" route, rather then the "extra dimensional being" route, that would only add to the similarity. Lastly, much like how the blood elves gave the Horde one "pretty" option, the Worgen would give the Alliance one "bestial" option.

Sounds good to me overall, if the rumors even end up being true.

Also, just an FYI. The Steamweedle Cartel will remain neutral no matter if Goblins become playable or not, so don't expect places like Ratchet or Booty Bay to suddenly turn Horde-Only. Any Goblins that do join would work under a single "Trade Prince" much like they did in WarCraft 2, maybe even a promoted and more powerful Gazlowe.
 
I seriously think they should make both Goblin and Worgen pickable on both factions. Keep the neutrality of the races while still creating some very interesting lore. :uhhuh:
 
Shegokigo said:
I seriously think they should make both Goblin and Worgen pickable on both factions. Keep the neutrality of the races while still creating some very interesting lore. :uhhuh:
Won't happen because of the PVP focus half the game takes. Blizzard said they wanted all the races to be very distinguishable from each other in order to promote easy sight of enemies over allies (without needing to rely on nametags).

Considering having a whole army of Goblin vs Goblin would not follow the mantra, I don't see it happening, but it could be interesting if they do decide to give it a try.
 

Maybe neutral races could not attack each other and could still talk. They could make money as interpreters.
 
I am hoping the Worgen and Goblins come because this means that Undermine and the Maelstrom would be added and most likely Gilneas. Brann Bronzebeard says that Gilneas was overtaken by Naga so that would go along with the Maelstrom or possibly they could change it so that the Worgen are in Gilneas since the Worgen in-game are right above the Greymane wall.
 
I just can't buy Worgen as a playable race. I just can't. They'll have to be really creative with the lore. I'm still pissed about the changes they made to Sargeras and the Eredar to shoehorn Dreanei into a playable race.

At least with the forsaken they had the setup with Silvannas in the Frozen Throne.

Though, if they are to become a playable race, Arugal better figure pretty prominantly in their storyline.
 
HoboNinja said:
I am hoping the Worgen and Goblins come because this means that Undermine and the Maelstrom would be added and most likely Gilneas. Brann Bronzebeard says that Gilneas was overtaken by Naga so that would go along with the Maelstrom or possibly they could change it so that the Worgen are in Gilneas since the Worgen in-game are right above the Greymane wall.
Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.
 
They may be able to get away with saying the humans of Gilneas were at some point transformed to Worgen, but their minds were not warped by it. They then decide to join up with the Alliance to get some sort of revenge.

If it's true I'm sure they'll come up with something.
 
Bowielee said:
I just can't buy Worgen as a playable race. I just can't. They'll have to be really creative with the lore. I'm still pissed about the changes they made to Sargeras and the Eredar to shoehorn Dreanei into a playable race.

At least with the forsaken they had the setup with Silvannas in the Frozen Throne.

Though, if they are to become a playable race, Arugal better figure pretty prominantly in their storyline.
Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."
 
CynicismKills said:
Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."
Shegokigo said:
Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.
 
Shegokigo said:
CynicismKills said:
Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."
Shegokigo said:
Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.
Yes I saw that, thanks. I think it'd work a lot better as the Worgen starting area, personally, as it links to another low-level zone (Silverpine). It'd be kinda weird to tack a 70+ zone onto a 15+ zone.
 
Well the current plans are to make Wolfenhold the 1-10 zone and Xorothian Planes the 10-20, with Hillsbrad being the next area to go to for the 20s+.

Also as far as "tacking on" high level areas to regular areas, the same is going to happen when Grim Batol opens its doors, it's scheduled to be 78-81 as well.
 
Shegokigo said:
Well the current plans are to make Wolfenhold the 1-10 zone and Xorothian Planes the 10-20, with Hillsbrad being the next area to go to for the 20s+.

Also as far as "tacking on" high level areas to regular areas, the same is going to happen when Grim Batol opens its doors, it's scheduled to be 78-81 as well.

Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.

Where is Wolfenhold in the world?

Xorothian Planes? Where the warlocks get their dreadsteeds? Are they saying Worgen come from the Burning Legion worlds now? Because I know they come from another dimension but I didn't think the same one as the burning legion.

Edit: Ah I just read some more on the Worgen and their enemies the Lords of the Emerald Flame (Possibly the Fel...) So yeah would make sense. But it also said it could be the green dragonflight. But the Fel would work better because if they are enemies of the burning legion that could give them a story to join the alliance.
 
HoboNinja said:
Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.

Where is Wolfenhold in the world?

Xorothian Planes? Where the warlocks get their dreadsteeds? Are they saying Worgen come from the Burning Legion worlds now? Because I know they come from another dimension but I didn't think the same one as the burning legion.
A leaked Blizzard file that was considered to be fake when it was "found" back in the Molten Core days, but it proved itself when it documented every zone and it's level for both Burning Crusade and Wrath, down to the new race starting zones.

As for Wolfenhold not being currently "visible" in the world, neither were a few of the zones released for both BC and WOTLK. And the Xorothian planes thing? No clue, maybe as a young Worgen you have to fight for your "freedom" against whatever created you/holds you to the Dimension you came from? I'm sure the 1-20 areas will be "instanced off" as the Draenei and BE ones were.

Edit: Having a low level area connected to a high level area worked for BC just fine. The 10-20 Bloodelf starting areas were attached to the Plaguelands and Zul'Aman.
 
Well considering that list seems to be changing, they may very well use it for the starting area for Worgen instead of the original plan, but Shego is right, "The List" shows Gilneas as a 77-80 zones to be an intermediate zone leading into the islands. I personally hope that part of it is altered, as something about the Gilneas militaristic culture as werewolves makes me all happy on the inside, but we will have to wait and see. There is no evidence saying they will even be cursed humans in the end.

Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.
It was a list that surfaced a long time ago, before WoW was even taking it's first steps on the market. Most discounted the list because it was during a time no one felt they could be accurate, but then the expansions started coming out. Then we started hearing about the Burning Crusade, and here is the first part of the list.

- Draenor Set

Azuremyst Isle - 1 to 10
Bloodmyrk Isle - 10 to 20

Eversong Forest - 1 to 10
Quel'thalas - 10 to 20

Hellfire Peninsula - 58 to 62
Zangarmarsh - 60 to 64
Terokkar Forest - 61 to 65
The Deadlands - 63 to 67
Nagrand - 64 to 68
Blade's Edge Mountains - 66 to 70
Netherstorm - 67 to 70
Shadowmoon Valley - 69 to 70
Notice that other then the Deadlands being missing, and Bloodmyrk now being called Bloodmyst, that breakdown is pretty much exactly what we got. We knew about what the Draenei starting area was going to be called long before we even knew what the Draenei were, and up till this list no other source even mentioned Azuremyst Isle. Now lets look at the next down on the list.

- Northrend Set

Borean Tundra - 67 to 70
Howling Fjord - 67 to 70
Dragonblight - 69 to 72
Grizzly Hills - 70 to 73
Crystalsong Forest - 72 to 75
Zul'drak - 73 to 76
Sholazar Basin - 75 to 79
Storm Peaks - 76 to 80
Icecrown Glacier - 78 to 80
Again, the trend continued. This was the one listed as the next one following the "Dreanor Set".

Now, the list continues on with The Maelstrom Set. So considering the pattern has been doing so well, many of us WarCraft geeks are being less skeptical about it. Obviously we believe some factors of it will change, but you have to admit, it is kind of strange how accurate it has been overall.
 
No I don't mean Wolfenhold being not visible I was wondering where it is going to be, sorry for the confusion.

But yeah reading more about the Worgen, Arugal, and the Scythe of Elune, it seems the Worgen aren't necessarily bad. They seem to generally be mad and can't be controlled but I bet someone could find a way and work it into the story. The lore suggests that they are from the Xoroth and they are the enemies of the Fel/Burning Legion.

Do you know where I could get that leaked info? I remember reading a file with a lot of that stuff back when BC released but I can't find it with my google-fu.
 
Yeah, like the Panderans and Worgen being in the "Planes" xpac.

Panda's are pretty much off the list now, and like you've said a few times the Emerald Dream/Worgen might come in the Maelstrom set.
 
I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.
 
CynicismKills said:
I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.
Except them being as key to the founding of Ogrimmar as Rexxar. :bush:
 
Shegokigo said:
CynicismKills said:
I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.
Except them being as key to the founding of Ogrimmar as Rexxar. :bush:
Now that I honestly don't remember. Seems I need to brush up on my wowwiki.

edit: Ah, Chen. Looked it up, I remember now. He's the guy who's casks you find in the Barrens.
 
Shegokigo said:
Yeah, like the Panderans and Worgen being in the "Planes" xpac. Panda's are pretty much off the list now, and like you've said a few times the Emerald Dream/Worgen might come in the Maelstrom set.
If you consider it, Blizzard making Goblins instead of Pandaren make sense. They both live in the same general area (The Great Sea), and since Pandaria is "hidden" from the world, Blizzard can put it anywhere it damn well pleases. By changing to Goblins, all Blizzard needs to do with the original plan is change the "Pandaria" they created to some other, Goblin owned island, and then keep Hiji the way it is.

Now that I honestly don't remember. Seems I need to brush up on my wowwiki.
You might not have even gotten him. Chen Stormstout was a "bonus" character that you could find in Northrend Barrens during the special orc campaign. He would join with Rexxar is you brought him special beer ingredients. Once you get him in your "party" he stays with you the rest of the game, even fighting with you at Theramore. WoW confirmed that Chen Stormstout and his actions with Rexxar are "Canon" and his pupil, Brewmaster Drohn, talks about when Chen and Rexxar were adventuring together.
 
HoboNinja said:
http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-417724.html

Found the list, so are they just combining the Planes and Maelstrom expansions or just moving some stuff around?
Your guess is as good as ours, at the moment we're only sure that they've leaked that Worgen may be more finished than we'd expect and that the maps in Emerald Dream have begun being more "fleshed" out.
 
HoboNinja said:
Found the list, so are they just combining the Planes and Maelstrom expansions or just moving some stuff around?
That is the rumor. Some of my fellows found alterations done to some of the Emerald Dream maps for the first time in ages, fleshing them out to possibly become instances at the very least. It could just be them messing around and trying ideas to get ready for the following expansion, but my friends and I have been considering they might turn the "planes" into more of a "Caverns of Time" style experience for the Maelstrom Set rather then a unique expansion, but that is just all theory and wishful thinking on our end.
 
Metzen is an evil, evil man. Here is part of an interview at ComicCon that had Metzen answer a rather interesting question.

Medievaldragon: Are we ever seeing the Scythe of Elune questline and how it all tied into Karazhan and the Dark Riders explored in a future pocket book?

Metzen: I will say there are elements of the Scythe of Elune questline that are not ... over ... (long silence).

Neilson: (laughs)

Metzen: ... (longer silence) Alright, that’s all I’m saying. (laughs)

Woah, WOAH! (Metzen jokingly makes a motion with his hands and legs as if tight-rope walking).

(Everyone laughs)

Medievaldragon: Quick sand! Quick sand!
The Scythe of Elune is one of the biggest mystery quests in the game, and is tied intimately to the Worgen. His display is characteristic of him wanting to tell us something big is coming involving it, but not able to give it away without getting in trouble. He actually did something similar a few months back, when asked about Gilneas he simply stopped, looked around, said "We have some very, very interesting plans for Gilneas", looked around some more, before saying "That is all I am going to say, they have snipers on the roof."
 
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