[PC Game] Bioshock Infinite (beware of spoilers)

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I had a really hard time using the Volley Gun. I just couldn't get those angles. Fortunately this wasn't a cover-based shooter where I would need it to get enemies from behind things, but still.

I LOVE Undertow multi-grab. Grab, pow, grab, pow. So awesome.
 
Frank

Frank

I found all of the vigors came in handy (the undertow one was smagical during the airship ride up to Comstock's Zep). I might've thrown 2-3 dozen people to their deaths.[DOUBLEPOST=1365210810][/DOUBLEPOST]So, I've been playing through Bioshock 2. I remember the combat being better than in Bioshock, but it isn't. It's all an illusion. The weapons look cooler, but it's otherwise almost identical. It's irritating how you're supposed to be a Big Daddy, but the enemies all take more bullets to take down than you do. It's a gameplay concession, sure, but it hurts it. When a Spider Splicer can drop your health from full to nothing in a drop kick and a swipe of their sickle hands while you empty a minigun's clip into them before they die, something's off. Also, they made the camera a pain in the ass to use.

The level design is league's behind Bioshock's too. It's all boxy areas.

Now the story is where it's definitely at it's worst. The fact that Rapture is still standing and liveable 10 years after everything went down is hard to swallow, that there was another power getting under Ryan's skin (that somehow was never mentioned once in the entirety of the first game) is just as bad. I'm not at all impressed so far. Minerva's Den (something I never got to actually playthrough) will hopefully be a saving grace.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I will never play Bioshock 2. There's no reason to tread all over what made the first one so great. First game stuff ...

I love how in the original, Rapture provides its own downfall. Combining the slug to Adam resource that was only available in that location, Fontaine's ambition that would've been capped had it happened on the surface, and Ryan's ideals that allowed it all to happen, it seems Rapture's destruction was inevitable.

I say seems because really Ryan sacrificed his ideals by taking over Fontaine Futuristics, and then again when he allowed Suchong to create the pheromone that allowed him to hold biological influence over Rapture's citizens who used Adam and plasmids--which by then was almost everyone.

Andrew Ryan is a truly fascinating character. I'm glad they didn't try to make Comstock more so. It would've been a failed effort. Better to focus on the protagonists this time around so as not to draw attention to the inequality.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Bioshock 2 lets you use your plasmids without dropping your gun. That already makes the gameplay tons better than Bioshock 1.
 
Frank

Frank

The level design counteracts that big time and the protecting the Little Sisters segments gets tiresome real quick.
 
Frank

Frank

Holy shit, he hated fighting Handymen? They were the best part. Especially when there were skylines around.

If you nitpick at the level he is in that video, there's never been a good game.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Lol, I was reading through Metacritic when I ran across this little gem of a negative review.

Some random idiot said:
Oh so this is a (10/10) perfect game? Rivaled only by the immortal game of Chess? No other game ever made can hold a candle to this modified version of Unreal Tournament 3? This is a game that uses another game's graphics engine on license. It is literally a modified version of another game. This is comical, really. Please, continue. I love reading all these /facepalm reviews from people.
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I love the fact that he doesn't even realize that 90% of the games out run on the unreal engine.[DOUBLEPOST=1365219946][/DOUBLEPOST]Man, these are just too funny.

ChristianJesus1
Mar 29, 2013
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Absolutely horrendous game, full of racist over tones. The first scene where there was a white man with a black woman was absolutely repulsive, had to close and uninstall the game afterwards, it was too much to handle, especially with the white man saying it was him that deserved to be punished. Extremely disgusted. Game looks pretty but it was too bright for my screen, and sound was too loud. Good idea for a city in a sky but poor execution. Very unfortunate if you ask me, considering I bought this game for my brother, but now I don't think I'll want him to play it after screening it.
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Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Bowielee said:
Lol, I was reading through Metacritic when I ran across this little gem of a negative review.



I love the fact that he doesn't even realize that 90% of the games out run on the unreal engine.[DOUBLEPOST=1365219946][/DOUBLEPOST]Man, these are just too funny.
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That first reviewer has absolutely no idea what a game engine is or how it works.
 
Frank

Frank

So, just started Minerva's Den. It begins with Carl Lumbly (Martian Manhunter from most of the DCAU stuff) talking to you. That's fucking awesome.
 
Frank

Frank

Minerva's Den is pretty massive for DLC. It's basically two full on areas (Bioshock had 7 or 8 if I recall correctly) and has tons to do. The story is quite nice too. It's really what Bioshock 2 should have been, an unobtrusive side story that fits in with the world perfectly.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

So I was up until 7 this morning finishing this. I just couldn't put it down! It was engaging and addictive.

A spoiler-covered question, though.


If Booker is also Comstock, then...why was "Comstuck" demanding he give over Anna? How is that even possible? And why? He's being forced by...himself...to give over his daughter? And for that matter, how or why did he suddenly go from tough P.I. to racist ruler of a floating city? I get that it happened after the baptism, but I don't understand how he got there.

I guess all this might be answered with a repeated playthrough, but maybe someone can shed some light?
 
Terrik

Terrik

ThatNickGuy said:
So I was up until 7 this morning finishing this. I just couldn't put it down! It was engaging and addictive.

A spoiler-covered question, though.


If Booker is also Comstock, then...why was "Comstuck" demanding he give over Anna? How is that even possible? And why? He's being forced by...himself...to give over his daughter? And for that matter, how or why did he suddenly go from tough P.I. to racist ruler of a floating city? I get that it happened after the baptism, but I don't understand how he got there.

I guess all this might be answered with a repeated playthrough, but maybe someone can shed some light?
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That's pretty much the same question I said. Unless the answer is "He's religious, so he's evil now", they didn't really connect the dots how the baptism changed Comstock so radically, and I felt it was a weakness in the story.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Comstock is an alternate reality version of Booker who never had a child because his messing around with the rift technology rendered him sterile. Because he couldn't produce an heir, he had Lutece arrange to get a child that would be his from an alternate version of himself.

As to how Booker became Comstock, it was because things had diverged in his reality. Basically, the Booker who decided not to go through with the baptism had to actually deal with the horrible things that he had done. The Comstock version of Booker basically took the easy way out and rather than actually dealing with his guilt, he internalized it and it ate him up inside, creating Comstock.

The thing you have to keep in mind is that you're not dealing with time so much as alternate realities.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

It's not so much that he's religious, but rather that he was able to forgive himself for every terrible thing he had ever done... and free of his inhibiting guilt, he was able to push himself forward with all his successes. He was able to leverage his success at Wounded Knee to a political career, eventually heading up Columbia as it's founder. Once he was able to make his own city, populated by people he could hand pick, it was simply natural to become a dictator. But his exposure to the rifts created by the device made by Lutece made him infertile, so he asked her (them?) to find him a daughter... one that was HIS daughter, but from another timeline. His own prejudice and pride wouldn't let him accept anyone but his own blood.

Compare this to Booker, who refused baptism and couldn't forgive the things he did. This prevented him from exploiting his military record for political reasons, so he became an investigator. He eventually found happiness with a wife... who died in childbirth. Anna, his child, was all he had left but he was destroyed by his wife's death and started racking up gambling debts. This lead the Lutece's to him, as he would be a DeWitt that would be willing to give up his daughter to get rid of his debts. He gave up his daughter (who he couldn't support anyway) to the Luteces.

What -I- want to know is why the Luteces came back for him. Was it because the rifts were getting out of control and they wanted to fix the timeline? What's the deal?
 
Frank

Frank

AshburnerX said:
It's not so much that he's religious, but rather that he was able to forgive himself for every terrible thing he had ever done... and free of his inhibiting guilt, he was able to push himself forward with all his successes. He was able to leverage his success at Wounded Knee to a political career, eventually heading up Columbia as it's founder. Once he was able to make his own city, populated by people he could hand pick, it was simply natural to become a dictator. But his exposure to the rifts created by the device made by Lutece made him infertile, so he asked her (them?) to find him a daughter... one that was HIS daughter, but from another timeline. His own prejudice and pride wouldn't let him accept anyone but his own blood.

Compare this to Booker, who refused baptism and couldn't forgive the things he did. This prevented him from exploiting his military record for political reasons, so he became an investigator. He eventually found happiness with a wife... who died in childbirth. Anna, his child, was all he had left but he was destroyed by his wife's death and started racking up gambling debts. This lead the Lutece's to him, as he would be a DeWitt that would be willing to give up his daughter to get rid of his debts. He gave up his daughter (who he couldn't support anyway) to the Luteces.

What -I- want to know is why the Luteces came back for him. Was it because the rifts were getting out of control and they wanted to fix the timeline? What's the deal?
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Male Lutece regretted what they had done, female Lutece did not. He was going to ditch her if they didn't do something about it and she didn't want to lose him.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Frank said:
Male Lutece regretted what they had done, female Lutece did not. He was going to ditch her if they didn't do something about it and she didn't want to lose him.
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They also stole Anna long before they ever became Timelords. But yes, it was Robert that felt guilty of it, he was the more practical and cautious side of the coin. You can even hear it in the opening rowboat discussion about how much Rosalind disagrees with his "little thought experiment."
 
Frank

Frank

Ok, so Winter Shield breaks the game completely. It would make 1999 mode a cakewalk if you get it early enough.
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Remember though, it wasn't the gambling debt he was truly after erasing, it was his assumed debt of sins from his time at Wounded Knee as the "White Indian" and as part of the Pinkertons. Lutece even says something along the lines of "Comstock wipes your sin clean, the debt is paid" or somesuch.
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Frank said:
Ok, so Winter Shield breaks the game completely. It would make 1999 mode a cakewalk if you get it early enough.
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I found an armor that had a 50/50 chance of igniting anyone who hit me for like 400 fire damage. It was stupid OP for those melee mobs that I'd miss when dealing with snipers/rocketeers/volley gunners. On top of that, I had a hat that would sometimes instantly reload a clip instead of manually with an animation, which almost felt like cheating.
 
Shawn

Shawn

Oh I'm playing this. I'm playing it indeed.
I haven't gotten far mind you. I've just gotten to Monument Island.

When it comes to the Vigors are you limited to only having two at a time?
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Once you get a vigor power, you have it for the rest of the game. Most of them are given to you at story points, others just show up or can be bought, but you can always swap them whenever you want.
 
Shawn

Shawn

Bowielee said:
Once you get a vigor power, you have it for the rest of the game. Most of them are given to you at story points, others just show up or can be bought, but you can always swap them whenever you want.
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Huh. I thought that might be the case, so I went into my vitals section and played around with it. I could not for the life of me switch it out. Figured I tried every button too. Eventually I just assumed I must have lost my fire trap vigor when I picked up Murder of Crows.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Shawnacy said:
Assuming you pay for or find one you want to swap to lying around?
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Your not going to have any problem finding vigors. Most of them are acquired in the story and the ones that aren't are EVERYWHERE. Money is really only used for weapon/vigor upgrades and supplies.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Shawnacy said:
Huh. I thought that might be the case, so I went into my vitals section and played around with it. I could not for the life of me switch it out. Figured I tried every button too. Eventually I just assumed I must have lost my fire trap vigor when I picked up Murder of Crows.
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Press and hold the hotswap button and it should open up the vigor choice wheel. I don't know what control scheme your using, so I don't know specifically what that button is for you. Go into the control menu and if you're playing on PS3, Xbox, or PC with Xbox controller, you will be able to look at the controller layout, if you are on PC with mouse/keyboard, go into the keybind section.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

If you're playing on PC, the number buttons will also switch between each vigor you have. The number corresponds to the number in the vigor wheel. 1 will always select possession, and so on.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Also, you can switch gear at any time. I played through 3/4ths of the game without knowing this, because the game never tells you. I had to open my key bindings and notice there was a gear button.
 
Shawn

Shawn

I've just rescued Elizabeth. There's so much scripted material that's out of my hands that I feel a little cheated during some of these epic sequences. You just kinda sit back and watch the cut-scene unfold. It's a very small gripe though. I can tell there will be plenty for me to do.

I rather wish I didn't already know the ending, but my curiosity got the better of me. But I'll be going through the game with advanced knowledge that will make the various clues scattered about the game seem much more clear.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Yeah, I'm glad that I got it and played through it before spoilers started appearing. It's definitely an experience worth having, regardless, though.
 
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