I forgot all about that article; thanks for posting it.
That's fucking terrifying.And the men who scored higher as "hostile sexists"—those who view women as controlling and invaders of male space—didn't show brain activity that indicates they saw the women in bikinis as humans with thoughts and intentions.
Yeah, it really is. For so many reasons. Some of them being that people think it isn't. That says a lot about the culture we take in and find acceptable.[DOUBLEPOST=1409421081,1409421000][/DOUBLEPOST]Not really.
I wouldn't call it trolling, I think it's people blind to the realization that the person they are addressing as a object for their own pleasure is as valuable a human as they are. Which is very problematic.I wish it was as simple as guys being too dumb to know the difference between "That's a cool hat" versus "Yeah, I'd fuck you." But it's not; when pressed, a lot of them don't even know why they do it. It's really just IRL trolling.
"It's worse because many people think it isn't worse." That's circuitous logic at its best. Explain to me explicitly why a decal of a tied up woman is worse than a decal of a child about to get run over.Yeah, it really is. For so many reasons. Some of them being that people think it isn't. That says a lot about the culture we take in and find acceptable.
You misunderstand, or more likely I didn't phrase it right. It's extra horrible because so many people have bought into a culture that views women as objects for men to use as they see fit (although they are generally oblivious to this, because of that little problem of privilege that I know you loathe) that they see something like that and can't see why it would be problematic (i.e. "Oh sure, it's in bad taste but it's not that bad")."It's worse because many people think it isn't worse." That's circuitous logic at its best. Explain to me explicitly why a decal of a tied up woman is worse than a decal of a child about to get run over.
And the follow up question should be, how much of this is nature and how much is nurture? If we raise men to be think differently, can they view women as people, even when those women are wearing bikinis? Or is it an inevitability of biology that showing a lot of skin will cause most men to think a certain way?
This implies that the viewer identifies with and approves the concept of the woman tied up, which I don't agree with. If anything, the creator of the decal chose to make it of a woman because he agrees with you - the decal would not have had the same jarring impact if it had depicted a man tied up, because of a long reinforced cultural trope of it being particularly villainous to victimize a woman, as opposed to a man - the man is expected to "be able to defend himself" in our cultural zeitgeist. Snidely Whiplash ties Nell to the tracks, not Dudley. A woman tied up in the back of a truck is reprehensible. An image of a woman tied up in the back of a truck is storytelling. Maybe it's a story you don't want to hear, but that does not make the author an oppressor of women.You misunderstand, or more likely I didn't phrase it right. It's extra horrible because so many people have bought into a culture that views women as objects for men to use as they see fit (although they are generally oblivious to this, because of that little problem of privilege that I know you loathe) that they see something like that and can't see why it would be problematic.
Heh. Now you're starting to sound like @GasBandit.How dare people have tools to keep themselves safe.
It's the literal embodiment of nurture influencing Nature.Epigenetics is mind blowing stuff.
Or a sign that some people haven't learned how to sublimate their id well enough to function in a polite society.I wish it was as simple as guys being too dumb to know the difference between "That's a cool hat" versus "Yeah, I'd fuck you." But it's not; when pressed, a lot of them don't even know why they do it. It's really just IRL trolling.
Okay?Heh. Now you're starting to sound like @GasBandit.
That implies that there's something for them to gain. Sometimes this is true and sometimes it isn't. They know acting that way isn't going to attract someone, but do it anyway.Or a sign that some people haven't learned how to sublimate their id well enough to function in a polite society.
ARGUE DAMN YOULike I said, I don't expect you to agree with me. I'm ok with that.
ARGUE DAMN YOU
Quick, somebody find JCM!ARGUE DAMN YOU
Aren't we all JCM?Quick, somebody find JCM!
Of course, you're not! The very idea!Psh. I'm not.
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He's been busy.Quick, somebody find JCM!
ALL YOU CAN UPGRADE IS STRENF?!He's been busy.
(saw this while playing a couple nights ago)
--Patrick
--PatrickThere's a common trope of framing Sarkeesian's work as "cherry-picked", as she takes isolated examples from many games and presents them as a stream of misogyny in order to create the illusion that all of these games are entirely misogynist, the entire way through. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is Sarkeesian is doing with TvsWVG, and what cultural criticism in general is. These are tropes - they're fragments of a whole. [...] In other words, Anita Sarkeesian only presents sections of games as sexist [in her videos] because she's only talking about the sexist bits of games, and how, of the tropes developers choose to put in their games when designing for female characters, they frequently fall back on sexist ones.
Man, it saved the whammy for last.
MYTH 5: Women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns—for doing the same work.
FACTS: No matter how many times this wage gap claim is decisively refuted by economists, it always comes back. The bottom line: the 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.
once you take away all of male privilege, yeah, the wage gap is nothin' at all! whew, we cracked it!differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week.
It's almost as if the different genders tend to want different things as erotic stimuli. But that'd be crazy talk.To be fair, there are multiple male celebrities who have had leaked nudes and/or sex tapes come out, such as Fred Durst, Bret Favre, and multiple politicians. The big difference being, women aren't actively seeking out these pictures for sexual gratification, rather the media itself is searching for them for the sheer sentimentalization of them.
Way to refute a point I neither made, nor implied.It's almost as if the different genders tend to want different things as erotic stimuli. But that'd be crazy talk.
I think he was trying to agree with you?Way to refute a point I neither made, nor implied.
You're a SUPERSTAR!
Yes, my sarcastic point was in support of yours, and aimed at Charlie's "Why for no dick pics" thing.I never CAN tell...
Last time he agreed with me, I thought he was arguing with me.
My world is all topsy turvy when it happens.
Her name rang a bell so I googled her and read her wiki page. Man....that abuse ladled on her was completely inappropriate and unnaceptable
The persecuted have an unfortunate habit of asking for equality from the persecutor(s) but in actuality demanding retribution. That is, they aren't ever going to be happy until they've experienced the schadenfreude of watching their former oppressors suffer.Not due to the points she makes, but the way she makes them.
I think that's a vocal fraction as opposed to an overall climate among persecuted groups.The persecuted have an unfortunate habit of asking for equality from the persecutor(s) but in actuality demanding retribution. That is, they aren't ever going to be happy until they've experienced the schadenfreude of watching their former oppressors suffer.
FTFYI've taken paparazzi pictures of Brad Pitt naked.