[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

GasBandit

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If you think the NRA's main goal is gun safety and education, you're as naive as you think I am
I said it was founded on the principle of advocating gun competency - and it was, and safety continues to be a part of that. The NRA does offer firearm safety courses for both adults and children.

Of course, as you're trying to assert, it also has to devote a lot of time to countering the blatant lies (to borrow your phrase) of gun grabbing wastrels and their useful idiot footsoldiery.
 

Dave

Staff member
I said it was founded on the principle of advocating gun competency - and it was, and safety continues to be a part of that. The NRA does offer firearm safety courses for both adults and children.

Of course, as you're trying to assert, it also has to devote a lot of time to countering the blatant lies (to borrow your phrase) of gun grabbing wastrels and their useful idiot footsoldiery.
And NASCAR was built on scientific research into making cars better, faster, and more efficient. Now they put restrictor plates to regulate speed.

Just because something starts out one way doesn't mean that it's the reality of the now.
 

Dave

Staff member
Nascar was built on bootleggers out running g-men
Yes, but the racing portion was touted as scientific.

Strike that. Looks like the European racing started that way. I'm mixing up my resource-wasting activities.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
And NASCAR was built on scientific research into making cars better, faster, and more efficient. Now they put restrictor plates to regulate speed.

Just because something starts out one way doesn't mean that it's the reality of the now.
They still offer training courses. There's 5 happening in Nebraska, within 21 miles of Lincoln, in the next month alone. As I said, maybe if she'd actually attended one, she might have been smart enough not to blow her head off.
 

Dave

Staff member
They still offer training courses. There's 5 happening in Nebraska, within 21 miles of Lincoln, in the next month alone. As I said, maybe if she'd actually attended one, she might have been smart enough not to blow her head off.
Oh I totally agree with you that it was stupidity, but the number of guns vs. the number of classes makes it unsustainable. But I would take it one step further and say that we should treat guns as cars. Yes, they are dangerous to those around us. So to legally have one you have to have your name in a database and pass a test. You need a license to put a fish's life in danger but not one to put me or my kids'? That's insane.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Oh I totally agree with you that it was stupidity, but the number of guns vs. the number of classes makes it unsustainable. But I would take it one step further and say that we should treat guns as cars. Yes, they are dangerous to those around us. So to legally have one you have to have your name in a database and pass a test. You need a license to put a fish's life in danger but not one to put me or my kids'? That's insane.
That's because we'll run out of fish. You can make more kids.

I'm kidding, people.
 

Dave

Staff member
I find this highly offensive. I've had a vasectomy. I had one biological child. Maybe if I have a laboratory and some INGREDIENT X I could make more...
 
edit - Hah, Poe beat me to the punch.
I am so, so tired of people who think that constructing a device out of metal and wood/polymer will somehow inject thoughts of violence into the mind of a human being. The thoughts were already there. The device has no "brains" of its own, and frankly when we're talking about devices which can kill people*, I would want that device to have as little involvement in the decision-making process as possible.

--Patrick
*Yes, this includes cars.
 
Licensing drivers has really brought down the vehicle death rate, and criminals without a driver's license always obey the law and never drive.

At least, we can suppose this is true in some parallel universe.

The reality is that unless you live in an open carry state, you have to have a license to carry a gun, except under very strict conditions. So you can go ahead and look up statistics to find out if this licensing is having any actual effect on criminal activity.

Given that it isn't, though, my expectation is that any licensing scheme you might suppose that's greater than what already exists will not reduce gun crime, it will only affect non-criminals.
Here's some nonsensical rhetoric for you steinman.

Murderers gon murder. Criminals don't obey laws, so why bother with them?[DOUBLEPOST=1416859166,1416859067][/DOUBLEPOST]
I am so, so tired of people who think that constructing a device out of metal and wood/polymer will somehow inject thoughts of violence into the mind of a human being. The thoughts were already there. The device has no "brains" of its own, and frankly when we're talking about devices which can kill people*, I would want that device to have as little involvement in the decision-making process as possible.

--Patrick
*Yes, this includes cars.
It doesn't inject thoughts so much as perpetuate what's already there in greater degree. Criminals are opportunistic, if they want to kill or seriously maim others and had choices between a gun or knife, they're going to choose the gun.
 

Dave

Staff member
I am so, so tired of people who think that constructing a device out of metal and wood/polymer will somehow inject thoughts of violence into the mind of a human being. The thoughts were already there. The device has no "brains" of its own, and frankly when we're talking about devices which can kill people*, I would want that device to have as little involvement in the decision-making process as possible.

--Patrick
*Yes, this includes cars.
But that's just it, man, it does change your outlook on everything around you. Having a gun makes you view things differently and that's not a good thing. When all you have is a hammer...
 
if they want to kill or seriously maim others and had choices between a gun or knife, they're going to choose the gun.
The smart ones will. Well, this is also assuming there will be some distance to the victim, that noise or unwanted attention are not an issue, that they have access to the right type and sufficient quantity of ammunition, that they have ready access to the gun in question, that they have a way to get the weapon to the proper location without arousing too much suspicion*, that they have some idea of how to use it well enough to hit their target, etc.

--Patrick
*I am of course excluding such things as umbrella guns or other such devices specifically made to avoid detection.
 
Having a gun makes you view things differently and that's not a good thing.
I agree. However, this is another case of a sort of mental restraint threshold being lowered by access to tools, not that the tools themselves put those ideas into a person's head.
I guess the trigger warning should have been put at the top of the post.
YOU SAID TRIGGER.

--Patrick
 
mental restraint threshold being lowered by access to tools, not that the tools themselves put those ideas into a person's head.
I would just like to go a little further on this.

I realize how tempting it is to propose that the solution is this easy, just restrict guns/access to guns and the rest will just follow.
However, saying that guns cause this behavior in people is tantamount to saying that skimpy clothing causes rape/harassment, or that money causes douchebaggery (or yes, even that drugs cause addiction). In each case, it is actually a person who ultimately needs the treatment/counseling/education to prevent tragedy, and not the thing. The thing in question may be a temptation to or even a facilitator of the tragedy, but it does not cause the tragedy simply by existing.

--Patrick
 
I thought I read a week or three ago that direction has been given asking the grand jury to release their findings on a weekend, preferably a Sunday.
The Judge and the State doesn't get to choose when the jury decides. That is solely their discretion. However, now they have to release it TONIGHT because if they don't, they have no control over the message.

It's a toss up: releasing it tonight could mean they will indict, which is going to encourage everyone to go home. However, waiting until after most people get home could indicate they aren't and they just wanted to get people home in case riots happen.
 
I am so, so tired of people who think that constructing a device out of metal and wood/polymer will somehow inject thoughts of violence into the mind of a human being. The thoughts were already there. The device has no "brains" of its own, and frankly when we're talking about devices which can kill people*, I would want that device to have as little involvement in the decision-making process as possible.

--Patrick
*Yes, this includes cars.
True, no device has a mind of its own. We could probably stand to make guns safer, though. Relying on people not to be stupid isn't exactly working. There's a lot of interesting ideas out there to make firearms safer and to prevent accidental firings.
 
Except one device was designed to kill and the other is incidental. Rarely do you hear "Intentionally killed someone with their car".
 
I agree with their verdict. Jury had tons of testimony, tons of evidence, and every reason to prevent riots by finding him guilty. Mr. Brown didn't deserve to die, but Wilson didn't deserve to go to prison either.

My overall opinion though:
 
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GasBandit

Staff member
I can only assume the grand jury knows what it is about. I haven't scrutinized the facts of the Brown shooting too closely - most of my attention has been taken by the activities that happened after brown was shot that drew attention to the problems of a heavily militarized police force, which is a separate issue which I think still needs addressing.
 
If you guys will excuse me for a moment, I'd like to correct a piece of misinformation that was posted two pages back:

Maybe he can do that scorpion kick that teleports through the sides of the screen to hit you in the back of the head.
Scorpion does a teleport punch, not a kick.
 
My apologies, Patrick. I should have asked to whom/what you were responding to.
One of the handicaps of not having any real sense of time is that I can resume a conversation I started as much as a year ago (or more) as though I never interrupted it.
FWIW, I fully support making the accidental death or injury of gun users, gun holders, and anyone who happens to be in their vicinity as difficult as possible, so long as the intentional function is not disrupted.[DOUBLEPOST=1416884882,1416884777][/DOUBLEPOST]
Scorpion does a teleport punch, not a kick.
Yeah, that was Liu Kang that did the "magnet kick", wasn't it?
EDIT: Yep.
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--Patrick
 
heavily militarized police force, which is a separate issue which I think still needs addressing.
You tell the thugs to stop throwing bricks and using rifles, we'll stop using military-grade equipment to make sure we come home at night. Deal?

But that would necessitate large-scale government intervention... which I am neither inclined to nor agreeable with.

There was a picture that got tossed around my facebook feed that pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject... I can, of course, no longer find it.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
You tell the thugs to stop throwing bricks and using rifles, we'll stop using military-grade equipment to make sure we come home at night. Deal?

But that would necessitate large-scale government intervention... which I am neither inclined to nor agreeable with.

There was a picture that got tossed around my facebook feed that pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject... I can, of course, no longer find it.
I'd have a lot more sympathy for that position if there wasn't such a rampant abuse of constitutional rights going on, with cops in full body armor, swat gear, grenade launchers and APCs serving no-knock warrants and the like all financed by the "war on terror." I'll usually stick up for a cop who has to shoot a suspect in the course of his duties, but the level of premeditated excessive force going on is something else entirely.

The behavior of the Ferguson PD especially, in the earlier days of this brouhaha, was a textbook example of what police should not be.
 
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