Those were the first NYPD officers killed in the line of duty since 2011. There's also no evidence that this is in any way connected to Eric Garner / recent unrest.
[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities
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I haven't seen anything backing up that IG as legitimate. Nope, but it slightly refutes the "this is what cops deal with every day" line posted earlier.
Whether or not the IG is real, the guy who did it is a piece of shit.
Are you kidding me? Wow, you're like FoxNews in reverse.
"What do we want?" "Dead Cops"
Such nice people.
I am struggling to find the words.
Yes, dead-cop chanters, please stain the hard work and sacrifice of all the other protestors who have been demanding justice for the victims and their families. Clearly yours is the better message. Way to go, New York. -_-
Yes, dead-cop chanters, please stain the hard work and sacrifice of all the other protestors who have been demanding justice for the victims and their families. Clearly yours is the better message. Way to go, New York. -_-
Hi there, liberal Sean Hannity.
When I said that, I had only seen that on twitter. And I also still don't support killing anyone and I never have. If not a serial rapist, then certainly not any police officers, no matter what they've done or not done.
I can kind of see why Charlie wanted to push back in this case, and I usually don't agree with him.
The murder of the two police officers is abhorrent and should be condemned, but by making it seem like this is a daily occurrence, it makes it seem like you are trying to justify why they taser old people or choke people with breathing problems to death. It's the whole "That guy holding those matches could be a psycho just ready to explode and blow up our squad care! Shoot! SHOOT!", and frankly I don't want to live in a world where every police officer just assumes at any moment any citizen is going to rush up with a gun, and shoot that person in response, when all they were doing was just pulling his wallet out of his coat pocket.
It goes back to someone like Tamir Rice. I have no question the police officers feared for their life when they realized he had a prop gun, but they opened fire assuming he was going to just start unloading at them. They saw him as another sudden cop killer about to be born, rather then a kid, and the idea of "Protect and Serve" went out the door in the name of self-preservation.
The problem is we will never reach a balance unless both sides really strive for a change. Cops need to be held more accountable for their mistakes, but citizens also need to be more empathetic towards officers, who are putting their lives on the line for us when things get bad. Wanting dead cops will just makes cops more afraid, and in turn, even more likely to pull the trigger for even the smallest hint of threatening posture, which then makes more people chanting for "dead cops". It will never end unless one side gives, and in this case, I think holding the police more accountably is the easiest to start.
The murder of the two police officers is abhorrent and should be condemned, but by making it seem like this is a daily occurrence, it makes it seem like you are trying to justify why they taser old people or choke people with breathing problems to death. It's the whole "That guy holding those matches could be a psycho just ready to explode and blow up our squad care! Shoot! SHOOT!", and frankly I don't want to live in a world where every police officer just assumes at any moment any citizen is going to rush up with a gun, and shoot that person in response, when all they were doing was just pulling his wallet out of his coat pocket.
It goes back to someone like Tamir Rice. I have no question the police officers feared for their life when they realized he had a prop gun, but they opened fire assuming he was going to just start unloading at them. They saw him as another sudden cop killer about to be born, rather then a kid, and the idea of "Protect and Serve" went out the door in the name of self-preservation.
The problem is we will never reach a balance unless both sides really strive for a change. Cops need to be held more accountable for their mistakes, but citizens also need to be more empathetic towards officers, who are putting their lives on the line for us when things get bad. Wanting dead cops will just makes cops more afraid, and in turn, even more likely to pull the trigger for even the smallest hint of threatening posture, which then makes more people chanting for "dead cops". It will never end unless one side gives, and in this case, I think holding the police more accountably is the easiest to start.
Yes. It will never end until all civilian police forces are abolished and replaced with actual military response teams, and all actions will be treated as "conflicts" to be resolved as expeditiously and permanently as possible, and the populace would prefer to suffer in silence rather than call in the excessive force brigade...
Wait, that's the opposite of what we want.
Maybe more community outreach, more bake sales? Something. Anything that will reinforce rapport, the idea that the police are an arm of/part of the community, rather than an outside force.
--Patrick
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Police training can be part of the problem. If training emphasizes aggressive, confrontational or combative mindsets, then you instill an "us vs them" mentality, which makes it easier to cross the line.
Now, there will always be situations when police will have to use lethal force to protect the public and in defense of themselves. But we're seeing it used too frequently in situations where it isn't warranted.
Police need to be part of a community, not detached enforcers. And since they serve the public, they need to be accountable to the public for their misdeeds.
All that said, I find it repellent that some think there's some sort of justification in committing violence against police in retaliation. It's as morally wrong as the offenses they're supposedly seeking justice for.
Now, there will always be situations when police will have to use lethal force to protect the public and in defense of themselves. But we're seeing it used too frequently in situations where it isn't warranted.
Police need to be part of a community, not detached enforcers. And since they serve the public, they need to be accountable to the public for their misdeeds.
All that said, I find it repellent that some think there's some sort of justification in committing violence against police in retaliation. It's as morally wrong as the offenses they're supposedly seeking justice for.
Apparently the gunman shot his girlfriend and was on the run when he killed the two officers.
I guess he shot her for Eric Garner too.
I guess he shot her for Eric Garner too.
When I said this, I got accused of trying to lynch police.
http://news.yahoo.com/florida-police-officer-dies-duty-getting-shot-run-013435943.html
Murdered for responding to a noise complaint.
Murdered for responding to a noise complaint.
Eh, I feel like that might be a bit much.
What? no.
The second link had nothing to do with anything in this thread, it was a random event, so I don't see where you're drawing that conclusion. I feel bad for the officer; a noise complaint is such a simple situation to de-escalate and he wasn't even given a chance. I can see now why police who answer our noise complaints come down harsh on our inconsiderate neighbors--they're on alert that this simple situation could turn sour in a blink.
Can someone tell me: will we be posting any police death we come across, or only the ones where a minority does it? I'd just like to know so I don't post the wrong links.
But, since we're going to needlessly portray this as a war between police and black people, let's take a look at this situation from this link. The guy panicked, killed the police officer. Later when he was arrested, he apologized to the officer's family, stating it was not his intent. Well, hey, in the Eric Garner situation, the officer didn't mean to kill Garner and apologized to the family. That was enough, no indictment. I guess this guy shouldn't be indicted either.
Oh wait, no, THAT'S STUPID, he killed someone, he should face charges and his case should go to fucking trial. The same should've happened in the Garner case.
Hey now, don't go arbitrarily applying the same standards equally to everything, that's anti-American.
--Patrick
Race had nothing to do with my comment. I'm talking more about a gun nut militia vs government stormtroopers kind of deal.
Remember the Bundy Ranch thing earlier this year? Old white dudes pointed rifles at federal officials and nothing happened.
Necronic
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Seriously guys. Think back on this. All the right wing folks who are saying "hey, if you don't comply this is what will happen" said the exact opposite about Bundy and his nutjobs. If that ain't white privilege then I don't know what is. Did that guy who pointed a rifle at officers even get arrested?
GasBandit
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Large group of armed people vs single (and usually outnumbered) unarmed citizens.
But while it does look like escalation is inevitable, I don't know that I'd say THIS is the start of "another American Revolution," (the Federal government can withstand incredible amounts of violence - it will be economic/fiscal triggers that eventually bring it down, not civil disorder, but that will come afterwards) but perhaps it is the start of a very sad and violent episode which will be the deciding factor in how things move forward - I could see it as being the justification for a dramatic shift toward either liberty or tyranny, depending on what happens and who decides to draft legislation in response to it.
But while it does look like escalation is inevitable, I don't know that I'd say THIS is the start of "another American Revolution," (the Federal government can withstand incredible amounts of violence - it will be economic/fiscal triggers that eventually bring it down, not civil disorder, but that will come afterwards) but perhaps it is the start of a very sad and violent episode which will be the deciding factor in how things move forward - I could see it as being the justification for a dramatic shift toward either liberty or tyranny, depending on what happens and who decides to draft legislation in response to it.
I think it's just endemic of a larger societal problem.
Hey now, don't go turning this into a racial issue.
Well, that took an unexpected turn for the better.
I like to see this thread unabashedly supporting THE POLICE in taking private property away from those they're "protecting". They're clearly violating the 2nd Amendment of the toy Constitution.