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I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I really don't need a Killing Joke animated movie. I just... don't care.

On the other hand, I have NEVER seen a bad DC Animated movie. Even the "bad" ones are still halfway decent. As long as it doesn't ruin the source, it won't be THAT bad.
 
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I really don't need a Killing Joke animated movie. I just... don't care.

On the other hand, I have NEVER seen a bad DC Animated movie. Even the "bad" ones are still halfway decent. As long as it doesn't ruin the source, it won't be THAT bad.
Brainiacs attack
 
I've seen plenty of bad DC animated films. Especially everything the Flashpoint Paradox and everything past it.
This might explain why I've never seen the bad ones. I've only seen up to The Dark Knight Returns Part 2... Superman Unbound and everything beyond that is something I need to catch up with.

Also, I'm not seeing a listing for Brainac's Attack. Is it not a DC Universe Animated Original Movie?[DOUBLEPOST=1436646523,1436646414][/DOUBLEPOST]
Mystery of the batwoman.
Superman: doomsday
Justice League: crisis of two earths
If we're going to talk about the old DCAU stuff, then yes... there were a few bad ones in that. Really, I think only Mask of the Phantasm, Sub-Zero, and Return of the Joker count as "good" in that line-up.
 
I'm counting the direct to dvd movies they made.

I'd list more but I'm trying to name the objectively bad ones. I'd probably be able to list more but I checked out after a point.
 
I'm still on the fence about Mark Waid's Archie reboot, but the Predator/Archie and Afterlife With Archie (zombie curse and more) are great reads.
 
I'm sad that I can't remember my log in information for FBI/NSA (heck, I can't remember which of those two accounts I made :p) to make the "thanks, you were very helpful" post.
 
DC: "Please! Buy our comics again!"

--Patrick
"Celt Z's Journal: July 12, 2015:Batman will be crossing over with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. This reeks of desperation to me. I have seen the New 52. The stories are gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the "heroes"will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and DC will look up and shout 'Please! Buy our comics!'... and I'll whisper 'no.'. "
 
Superman doomsday is boring mess. Crisis features Batman straight up murdering Owlman because it's convenient.
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen it in a long time, so I can't remember the exact circumstances. It didn't bother me at the time. I'm not going to defend it, so I don't know.
 
Wait, what's wrong with The Killing Joke?
Aside from the fact the author doesn't even support it, Barbara Gordon's near-fridging and sexual assault by the Joker. Not because she was Batgirl or a hero in her own right, but stripped naked and tortured just because she's Commissioner Gordon's daughter. You can't even say "but we got Oracle out of this!", because Oracle wasn't an intended consequence of this. That was some writers months later trying to find a way to salvage Barbara. (And for the record, I like Oracle, but it adds insult to injury that is wasn't a progression of her own story.)

But hey, what do you expect from a company that when asked if a writer can use torture and sexual assault on one of their top tier heroines to develop their male characters, the editor said "Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch."? Thanks, DC!
 

fade

Staff member
Yeah, I do get that idea. The opening page of Fade starts with a fridging. I wrote that 10 years ago before I heard of the concept. I can understand what it reads as to a female reader, but to me, the author, the fact that the character is a woman was completely coincidental when I wrote it. The thought that went through my head was, "Who is closest to the protagonist? Whose death will do the most damage?" Because the character is a heterosexual male, that means his girlfriend. The older, smarter me realizes that regardless of that, it's yet another woman's death, and I need to remove it. In fact that whole issue is stupid, and I've marked it as apocryphal.

I mean, I get the interpretation and I agree with you, I really do. And I understand that author intent can be less important than how something reads to people. I took it as Joker being a psychopath, and I kind of liked seeing a superhero shown taken by surprise and vulnerable. Especially a Bat, since they never seem to be taken by surprise at all.
 
Crisis features Batman straight up murdering Owlman because it's convenient.
Letting Johnny Quick get himself killed was way colder then leaving Owlman behind, as he could have stopped the bomb if he wanted. If anything it just let us know where he stands on the issue of assisted suicide.
 
Letting Johnny Quick get himself killed was way colder then leaving Owlman behind, as he could have stopped the bomb if he wanted. If anything it just let us know where he stands on the issue of assisted suicide.
I forgot about that one. If I recall, mind you I saw this once when it came out, they established the bomb couldn't be shut off.
 

Dave

Staff member
But...evil people do these things to women in real life. Why wouldn't a supervillain do this in a comic book? Are we being overly sensitive? These guys are fucking evil as shit and rape is one of the most evil things that can be done to anyone, so why would we be surprised that they did it?
 
But...evil people do these things to women in real life. Why wouldn't a supervillain do this in a comic book? Are we being overly sensitive? These guys are fucking evil as shit and rape is one of the most evil things that can be done to anyone, so why would we be surprised that they did it?
Largely because it's become the go-to way to show that the bad guy is Grade A evil. It's been overused to the point of meaningless.
 

Dave

Staff member
Largely because it's become the go-to way to show that the bad guy is Grade A evil. It's been overused to the point of meaningless.
I agree, but there's only so many evil acts that a person can do. In comics as in movies, bad guys tend to have these huge plans and nothing really comes from it. Let's use the movie Kingsmen as an example.
Dude triggers a rage signal that has instant effect of people trying to kill each other. In the end, the good guy stops the signal and kills the bad guys, then gets to (for some reason that was completely out of place in the movie) bone the blonde chick. What they did not show was the aftermath of the couple of minutes where the signal was active, including but not limited to all the dead babies, crashed cars, downed airlines, or gunshot victims in the US. They made it such a feel good ending when in truth it would have been horrific.

Yes, rape is a super evil thing, but if a bad guy and wanted to torment a good guy that he couldn't touch, it's certainly something that would be in his playbook. Yes it's been used ad nausium, but so has murder, torture, etc. Yet we don't complain about those...unless they are against women. I'm not going all men's rights on you, but if rape and torture of women is such a bad thing, you damned bet a bad guy will use it.
 
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