[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

[evilmike]

If I'm reading this correctly, the officer who shot the social worker is being sued by the social worker and will go to court as part of that process. He is still under investigation for possible criminal charges but has not been charged.

The police officer who will not be charged was the commander on the scene who made confusing statements to investigators looking into the shooting. He appears to have been suspended without pay.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

the commander on the scene who made confusing statements to investigators .

don't call it "confusing statements." it's deliberate, blatant, and purposeful lying. the statements were all very clear and intentional lies intended to stop police from ever facing a consequence from destroying people every goddamn day. these confusing statements seem to always pop up in these shootings! how strange!

 

[Null]

http://bients.com/cop-shoots-kills-unarmed-deaf-mute-man-tries-communicate-using-sign-language/

Different kind of minority, but I'd say it still qualifies.

 

[GasBandit]

http://bients.com/cop-shoots-kills-unarmed-deaf-mute-man-tries-communicate-using-sign-language/

Different kind of minority, but I'd say it still qualifies.

Not to say the cop was right, but I question the wisdom of deaf people driving. Auditory cues might not be as important as sight, but they're still pretty important.

 

[PatrThom]

Not to say the cop was right, but I question the wisdom of deaf people driving. Auditory cues might not be as important as sight, but they're still pretty important.

I often wonder about this.
I drive a lot because my commute(s) is(are) long. As a result, I like to wear hearing protection while I drive, because 2+ solid hrs of 80dB sound every day is probably not good for my hearing. I haven't been pulled over for wearing them yet, but if I ever am, I will be sure to point out that:
1) People who are totally deaf get to drive without restriction
2) I can still hear the car noises even with the muffs, they are just quieter, so if I am expected to react to any other noises, they would have to be louder than the road noise to begin with, which means I would still hear them even with the muffs.

--Patrick

 

[Gruebeard]

I often wonder about this.
I drive a lot because my commute(s) is(are) long. As a result, I like to wear hearing protection while I drive, because 2+ solid hrs of 80dB sound every day is probably not good for my hearing. I haven't been pulled over for wearing them yet, but if I ever am, I will be sure to point out that:
1) People who are totally deaf get to drive without restriction
2) I can still hear the car noises even with the muffs, they are just quieter, so if I am expected to react to any other noises, they would have to be louder than the road noise to begin with, which means I would still hear them even with the muffs.

--Patrick

3) Modern cars with active noise cancellation and good sound insulation make it hard to hear a police car with its sirens blazing as it zooms past on a sparsely used highway. I'm talking specifically about the GMC Terrain.

 

[Adam]

My WRX is loud enough at the best of times I don't hear much from the outside anyways.

 

[GasBandit]

I am of the opinion that if you cannot hear a car horn from the inside of your vehicle, that you are a danger to yourself and others.

 

[Dei]

I almost never hear sirens until they are right behind me, because noise cancellation, I always see the lights in my mirrors first. Though I do wonder what horrid contraption Pat is driving that his surrounding noise is loud enough to require ear protection.

 

[Null]

I almost never hear sirens until they are right behind me, because noise cancellation, I always see the lights in my mirrors first. Though I do wonder what horrid contraption Pat is driving that his surrounding noise is loud enough to require ear protection.

 

[PatrThom]

I almost never hear sirens until they are right behind me, because noise cancellation, I always see the lights in my mirrors first. Though I do wonder what horrid contraption Pat is driving that his surrounding noise is loud enough to require ear protection.

My current car is what most people would actually call "quiet." The level of noise isn't the problem, it's the duration. It's actually much better than my previous ride*, where someone stole the catalytic converter and I had to drive it for almost a year with the exhaust dumping almost straight out of the back of the engine.

--Patrick
*actually two rides ago, I had one of these in between.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I almost never hear sirens until they are right behind me, because noise cancellation, I always see the lights in my mirrors first. Though I do wonder what horrid contraption Pat is driving that his surrounding noise is loud enough to require ear protection.

Not sure what Pat has, but I know his pain. My wife had to purchase a new Subaru a few years back after getting in a wreck. We found one cheap but the siding around the windshield was not all there, which means when you drive the wind blasts into the areas to the left and right of the windshield making a really annoying sound, even worst then just having the window down. When we got the car we always told ourselves we were going to fix it, but we never did, so when we all go out together I try to convince her to take my Honda instead. Hate it, but she somehow has grown to tolerate it.

 

[GasBandit]

Reminds me of my buddy Craig back in high school, who drove a $500 car (I forget the model) with a $2000 stereo in it. He needed the stereo, because if you drove with the music off, the thing sounded like a B-17 at cruising altitude. Engine baaaawling and wind whistling through all the cracks and holes.

 

[fade]

In college, I drove a VW Bus with glass packs. That was loud.

 

[PatrThom]

Not sure what Pat has

I actually linked it.
Again, there's nothing wrong with it, cabin noise is only about 80dB (which is "I am near a highway" level), it's just the extended exposure I am seeking to avoid.

--Patrick

 

[Null]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748

Early Tuesday in Indianapolis, an African-American woman was being carjacked in front of her home in her working class neighborhood. She ran back in the house, told her husband, who is also black, and they called the police to report the robbery. That seemed to be the right and safe thing to do.
As the police pulled up, the husband, who was later identified as 48-year-old Carl Williams, opened the garage to their home and was immediately shot in the gut by police.



So, who'd like to explain what Carl did wrong to deserve being shot by the police?

 

[Dei]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748

Early Tuesday in Indianapolis, an African-American woman was being carjacked in front of her home in her working class neighborhood. She ran back in the house, told her husband, who is also black, and they called the police to report the robbery. That seemed to be the right and safe thing to do.
As the police pulled up, the husband, who was later identified as 48-year-old Carl Williams, opened the garage to their home and was immediately shot in the gut by police.



So, who'd like to explain what Carl did wrong to deserve being shot by the police?

Not to play devil's advocate here, but you are downplaying a key part of the article, which is that the husband was trying to ambush the carjacker and also had a gun out, while his wife was safely inside making the 911 call. The police made a TON of mistakes here, but you did purposefully leave out the one thing the husband did wrong. Do not let sensationalism get the best of you.

 

[Null]

Not to play devil's advocate here, but you are downplaying a key part of the article, which is that the husband was trying to ambush the carjacker and also had a gun out, while his wife was safely inside making the 911 call. The police made a TON of mistakes here, but you did purposefully leave out the one thing the husband did wrong. Do not let sensationalism get the best of you.

Yeah, I guess I went off without fully getting the scope of the situation here.




Just like the police.

 

[Denbrought]

So, who'd like to explain what Carl did wrong to deserve being shot by the police?

He told dispatchers that a man with a gun approached his wife's car and tried to rob her (..) The man was on the phone with 911 for more than three minutes. At the end of the call, the man was heard saying, "Is that him?" before the line was disconnected. Dispatchers tried to call him back multiple times, but he didn't answer (..) A few moments later, the man came out of the garage with a gun in his hand and police fired shots

Sounds like a misunderstanding involving a bunch of people holding guns, one of whom got shot for calling the rest to his house.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Yeah, I guess I went off without fully getting the scope of the situation here.




Just like the police.

Justify every time a civilian pulls a weapon on a cop.

I can't wait to see how many pages that will take per day.

 

[strawman]

A much less incendiary article on the action, with the police claiming the blame, indicating that it was a mistake made by one of their officers.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/23/impd-officers-shoot-robbery-suspect/89193724/

 

[Null]

Justify every time a civilian pulls a weapon on a cop.

I can't wait to see how many pages that will take per day.

2nd Amendment.

 

[strawman]

2nd Amendment.

The 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to pull your weapon on police. Do you have another justification that is actually a real justification?

 

[Null]

Sovereign Citizenship? Just going through reasons white people have pulled guns on police and not gotten shot.

 

[Tiger Tsang]

Justify every time a civilian pulls a weapon on a cop.

I can't wait to see how many pages that will take per day.

The supposed training of the people we have apparently given the authority of life and death over us would help to lessen the negative outcome of these scenarios?

 

[jwhouk]

Police have to justify their actions before drawing and utilizing a weapon. If they cannot justify their actions, and have it corroborated with factual evidence, then they are at fault for wrongful death.

/thread_over

 

[Denbrought]

Police have to justify their actions before drawing and utilizing a weapon. If they cannot justify their actions, and have it corroborated with factual evidence, then they are at fault for wrongful death.

/thread_over

/thread_resume

One Simple Fix to End All USA Police Issues! People With An Appreciation For Multi-Variable Problems Hate Him!

 

[PatrThom]

One Simple Fix to End All USA Police Issues! People With An Appreciation For Multi-Variable Problems Hate Him!

I'm sure the simplest fix is that you have to let a perp kill at least one cop before you can definitively confirm him as a "threat" and justifiably take retaliatory action. Unsurprisingly, I don't see this "weird trick" being adopted by anyone, ever.

--Patrick

 

[ThatGrinningIdiot!]

I'm sure the simplest fix is that you have to let a perp kill at least one cop before you can definitively confirm him as a "threat" and justifiably take retaliatory action. Unsurprisingly, I don't see this "weird trick" being adopted by anyone, ever.

--Patrick

We should adopt new legislation in place that allows police officers to legally fire upon any and all threats preemptively to ensure the safety of its members as well as the public. Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do when they come for you . . . ?

/Resume rhetorical circlejerk

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

Police have to justify their actions before drawing and utilizing a weapon. If they cannot justify their actions, and have it corroborated with factual evidence, then they are at fault for wrongful death.

/thread_over

i wish the USA was this fantasy world, but they don't even get restricted to desk duty. can you name one cop in the entire country that has been successfully charged and convicted of wrongful death? or even one where the bad shoot cop is banned forever from carrying a weapon as an agent of the state?[DOUBLEPOST=1472114957,1472114771][/DOUBLEPOST]

Justify every time a civilian pulls a weapon on a cop.

I can't wait to see how many pages that will take per day.

well it's really just one page of names killed by police every single day http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...un/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database[DOUBLEPOST=1472115013][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm sure the simplest fix is

the simplest fix is to disarm police.

 

[PatrThom]

the simplest fix is to disarm police.

Ok, but criminals have to go first, as a gesture of good faith.

--Patrick

 

[strawman]

Ok, but criminals have to go first, as a gesture of good faith.

--Patrick

The ultimate prisoner's dilemma!

 

[Gruebeard]

I'm sure the simplest fix is that you have to let a perp kill at least one cop before you can definitively confirm him as a "threat" and justifiably take retaliatory action. Unsurprisingly, I don't see this "weird trick" being adopted by anyone, ever.

--Patrick

This weird trick still won't work. at least not if that action involves arming a robot with a bomb.[DOUBLEPOST=1472154894,1472154660][/DOUBLEPOST]

The ultimate prisoner's dilemma!

Um . . . If your prisoners are armed, I think maybe y'all really ought to re-amend that Second Amendment

 

[PatrThom]

Um . . . If your prisoners are armed, I think maybe y'all really ought to re-amend that Second Amendment

It would certainly cut down on crowding.

--Patrick

 

[AshburnerX]

White Lives Matter to be listed as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center.

“I can’t speak to how many chapters will be listed, but it’s clear that the leadership of the group, the ends of the group ― it’s just a flat-out white supremacist group,” Heidi Beirich, director of the center’s Intelligence Report, told the Houston Chronicle. “The ideology behind it, the racist leaders, everything about it is racist.”

White Lives Matter made headlines earlier this month when the group sent armed protesters to an NAACP office in Houston, where they waved Confederate flags.