Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

IronBrig4 said:
Okay okay, fine. I don't actually hope that the feds terminate those people with extreme prejudice. And considering that demographic suffers from high rates of domestic violence, their families are likely victims. But you've got one thing wrong. I'm not a conservative. Hell, I even voted for Sanders in the Democratic primary.

These knuckleheads are always claiming to be sovereign citizens and thus above the law. They've renounced citizenship in any nation so, according to that logic, then the Bill of Rights shouldn't apply to them. Which is odd considering they practically masturbate to dramatic readings of the Constitution.

Edit: I know the Bill of Rights applies to non-citizens within the US. But these people are always saying their compounds are sovereign territory so...
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Those rights are inalienable, so even if they say they claim not to be affected by them, they still have them.
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

Aye. Ontario stopped using coal to generate electricity a couple years ago. We were the first in North America apparently. We won't be the last. Toronto doesn't seem to have smog days anymore. It's great.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Gruebeard said:
Hey @Bubble181, I've forgotten. Are you Wallonian?
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Nope, I'm from the other bit. Ah, CETA, the wonderful way the world learns about the obnoxiousness of Walloon politicians.

That said, I oppose CETA too, but they don't give a flying fuck about what's in the treaty, only that the federal government wants it thus it must be bad.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Gruebeard said:
They are being impressively obstructionist right now, though.
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Are you kidding? They're willing to listen to negotiators and they've sat around the table with people to work out a deal. There's a reason we hold the world record for forming a government at just shy of 2 years - for long stretches of time they refused to speak to negotiators to start the conversation back up. This is them at their most lenient and easy-going. Flanders tends to just bow to their wishes, slightly less chance of that with Europe :p

(see: the way our debt is structured, the way our parliament is split, the way federal spending is split, etc etc).
 
strawman

strawman

Regarding the Pittsburgh steel comment, they leaned on their legislators a great deal and were able to make a lot of progress toward stemming the tide of foreign steel coming into the US. They extended their lifetime by a good bit.

The only thing the coal industry has going for it is that it's too cheap to ship across the ocean profitably. It's done, yes, but it simply doesn't have the value of steel so there's not as much competition. Further, steel has a lot of sources and sinks, whereas coals main sink is energy, and conveniently there's a bunch of regulatory bodies that can be leaned on to affect the entire industry.

The point being that sure, they changed, but don't think they didn't artificially extend their lifetime in much the same way the coal industry has. Further, while coal has a lot of artificial ways to prop it up, when it falls some towns will close and others will reinvent themselves, just as happened along the rust belt.

I don't think the coal industry is particularly special in this regard.

Just wait until the corn industry starts to fail.
 
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