a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?


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The problems isn't just that MRA racists came crawling out from under rocks to vote for the first time. One major traditionally strong Democrat demographic that Clinton lost was people who make less then $30k/yr. She only got 53% of their vote to Trumps 41%. This may look like she was winning there until you realize Obama got 70% of that vote. That is a huge drop. Obama pushed affordable healthcare hard for that group. Something that was only partially delivered on but it got people to the polls. And as far as I understand it that missing 17% didn't all run to Trump. They just simply didn't show up at the polls and that is probably what lost her some if not all "secure blue" states. Dems need to get the working class fired up again to win elections. As frustrating as this is, I still find this a bit reassuring because that's something that can possibly be fixed.

Other thoughts... It's very sad that she won the popular vote and still lost by a huge margin because it wasn't in the right places.
 
I come in here posting a positive message and now I gotta deconstruct this shit, dammit Nick, one of these days!

Alright, time to unravel some of this shit.

"FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;"

I approve of this and am not surprised that the Senate majority leader says they have no interest in working on it with Trump.

"THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;"

That's nonsensical, just playing a numbers game.

"THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator"

... yeah, that'll go well.

"FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately"

You've been elected for the next four years, not the next four decades. You can't dictate what these companies do.

"* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure"


The first two seem to be working against the last one.

" FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama"

WELP it was nice knowing you guys; looks like I'll be pulling 60 hour weeks again by spring.

"FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back"

First part, fine, second part ... um. What? That's not the fault of any of those other people.

"End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free."

YOU CANNOT CONTROL THESE COMPANIES. Believe me, I wish it could be done, but all that will happen is the price hikes will hit the consumers. You can't dictate their locations, you can't dictate the balance of profit to living wage. The most you could do is grease the wheels for new American-based companies to compete against them, with terms that require them to keep their operations within the U.S.

"School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable."

... Trump?

"Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications."

HSAs work for some people, not others, and for people who already have nothing, it'll mean nothing. I take it with the "speed up" he means the generic cheaper versions of many drugs? That's the only positive I could look at it.

"End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first."

Ah, there he is. Trump. This is ridiculous. After all the numbers have been crunched and the ludicrous reimbursement plan, he still intends to go ahead with this. It's not going to work out. This alone could tank the economy. DROP IT.

"Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics."

In this town? Good fucking luck.
 
Holy shit, there were a ton of assaults against Muslim women on college campuses today. The influx of hate crimes has begun.
 
Holy shit, there were a ton of assaults against Muslim women on college campuses today. The influx of hate crimes has begun.
I saw on social media that a lot of Muslim women were conflicted over whether to wear the hijab today, and their own mothers encouraging them not to.
 
Sanders Statement on Trump said:
BURLINGTON, Vt., Nov. 9 – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement Wednesday after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States:
“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”
 
I find the first one hard to believe, but the second...
I think you're a little naive for a Mesozoic Man. The shit that predatory men get away with doing to women on the street is unreal, and right now they're emboldened.

EDIT: Obviously not isolated to that, of course, as per Frank's further examples of what'll be going on for the near future.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I never saw anyone saying "not my president" during Bush. We were too busy dealing with his Iraq crap and being called "traitor" for it.
With Obama, you're saying liberals were saying anyone who didn't vote for Obama was a racist, or that the people saying "not my president" were racist?
You weren't looking very hard then... this shit was all over the place.



Along with being literally burned in effigy.
 
Yeah, I remember that happening. A lot of people said "Not My President" about Dubya for at least the first two years. Forgot about the burning effigies though.
 
I pretty much feel the Bush versus Gore election was when the divide took it's biggest turn for the worst. Following the Clinton scandal all I remember hearing was the two parties (literally in some cases) egging each other. After the Florida debacle so many people felt the election was robbed, and now every election one side just feels robbed by the other. Then again, I am only 33, so I can't say how elections went before I was born, but I never remembered seeing it so bad when I first mock voted between HW Bush and Clinton.
 
I mean, there were a lot of "not my president" for Bush too, just from the other side.
With Obama, it was -"you're a racist".
Yeah, after the Supreme Court decision to halt the recount of the ballots in Florida (and the thousands of thrown out ballots). Not quite the same.
 
Not to single out this one entry, but I see a lot of "I'm an__/I'm not a___" , and then the rest of their thesis goes on to prove the opposite. Just because you label yourself something doesn't mean it's true.
 
Hey now! I'm not a racist, but all you non-owl-people really should have your flying privileges removed.


Anyway, yeah, s/he seems anti-establishment, not progressive.
 

Dave

Staff member
And now we learn that Sarah Palin is being looked at for a cabinet position. She's not qualified for a kitchen cabinet position.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
And now we learn that Sarah Palin is being looked at for a cabinet position. She's not qualified for a kitchen cabinet position.
I know you really mean "suitable" or some other such synonym, but it got me thinking... ARE there actually any qualifications required for a cabinet position?
 
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