EA Needs to F*** off and die

ElJuski

ElJuski

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Well, if people cared more about actually stopping the issue of companies screwing you over, versus caring insomuch as "now I'm just not gonna pay for it", you don't actually care how the company acts because you're in a win-win. The only people that are losing are the ones that take any moral significance on the matter.

EDIT: Which is to say, yes, in my mind B, you're doing what should be done, and more people should do it, too.

Unless I'm missing some big logic loophole, here.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

ElJuski said:
Well, if people cared more about actually stopping the issue of companies screwing you over, versus caring insomuch as "now I'm just not gonna pay for it", you don't actually care how the company acts because you're in a win-win. The only people that are losing are the ones that take any moral significance on the matter.

EDIT: Which is to say, yes, in my mind B, you're doing what should be done, and more people should do it, too.

Unless I'm missing some big logic loophole, here.
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No no, we're in agreement.

Which doesn't happen all that often, now that I think about it, so I'm gonna note the date and time and check if there's some sort of weird planetary alignment.
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

I'm not buying any more EA products in the future. Even if they try and entice me with more Mass Effect I'm pretty sure at this stage of the game I can ignore it and play some other good stuff. I hate them so much and I don't want them to have any more of my money.

I'm also not stealing any of their shit either. They are fully dead to me now in every way.
 
HowDroll

HowDroll

Azurephoenix said:
I'm not buying any more EA products in the future. Even if they try and entice me with more Mass Effect I'm pretty sure at this stage of the game I can ignore it and play some other good stuff. I hate them so much and I don't want them to have any more of my money.

I'm also not stealing any of their shit either. They are fully dead to me now in every way.
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I sincerely hope Dragon Age 3 sucks. DA:O is one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm going to have a really hard time not playing DA3 if it's supposed to be good. I very much doubt I'll ever pick up a new IP from EA or its subsidiaries, though.
 
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SeraRelm

I think you all need to calm down and remember something very important...




DLC is good. :troll:
 
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SeraRelm

I'm sorry, that was a typo.

Paying more money for content that should have been released with the game originally yet was withheld to make you pay more for the finished product due to a mixture of greed and meeting unattainable release dates is good.:troll:
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

HowDroll said:
I sincerely hope Dragon Age 3 sucks. DA:O is one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm going to have a really hard time not playing DA3 if it's supposed to be good.
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Don't worry, we went from a kingdom/dimension spanning epic journey with a blight-blooded Grey Warden... to Kirkwall's local janitor who works mostly in generic bad guy clean-up. Spent most of the game more excited by the cameos of characters I actually cared about then the ones that spent time around me (Though I did love Merril).

By the next one I imagine we will be a hobbo trying to escape the Kirkwall Civil War only to land in the small town of Blandhaven, in which you must wander around picking up random quests to take the neighbors dog for a walk, find a locals missing wedding ring, meeting with exciting new people like Generic Paladin #4 and Roguish Bisexual Man, only for the town to be attacked by Darkspawn, now looking like this...



Which you then beat away with a stick, becoming the "Baron of Blandhaven".
 
Covar

Covar

But on the plus side you have 5 classes to choose from with an additional class to be added later via DLC.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Adam said:
Or take a look at my fancy dancy chart I just did up! The bulk of sales (and costs) are going to occur when the game is first released.
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Hence my mention of graphics hitting a ceiling, minimising moral wear and tear (yeah, i have no clue how you spell this in english)...


Adam said:
The more games printed and distributed, the higher the variable costs. Fixed costs are at their peak as the publisher/service provider ramps up its service to prepare for the oncoming assault. At an undetermined time in the future, the game goes digital only so there's little to no variable costs to speak of, but the fixed costs still take up a significant amount of that revenue potential. If the game publisher drops the price on the digital release too far, there's no profit to be made if it can't cover those fixed costs. Of course, it's a little bit different if the publisher isn't Steam as their fixed costs don't include the distribution side so much. In fact, depending on how their agreement works, it may be a charge per purchase download instead. Who knows.
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I was assuming a 3rd party would be doing the selling because, well, Steam...

And that the d/l servers would also be used as something else and/or take advantage of p2p...

I mean if .99 is enough to make money on iOS the fixed costs of a d/l service can't be big enough to count (or more likely are offset by other uses).


ElJuski said:
has it occurred to you guys that if you stop buying their games, AND stop pirating them, you'll show them that you don't want anything to do with them? I feel like doing neither is going to much more immensely improve your cause instead of being the kid sneaking the chocolate.
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Nah, then it's totally the IP's fault for being worn out...
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

HowDroll said:
I sincerely hope Dragon Age 3 sucks. DA:O is one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm going to have a really hard time not playing DA3 if it's supposed to be good. I very much doubt I'll ever pick up a new IP from EA or its subsidiaries, though.
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I feel for you... I loved Dragon Age Origins... played it through 3 times from start to finish (plus the expansion).

Dragon Age 2 was such garbage that when I finished it I uninstalled it immediately and never looked back.

Don't worry... Dragon Age 3 WILL suck. There's no doubt about it.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Azurephoenix said:
I feel for you... I loved Dragon Age Origins... played it through 3 times from start to finish (plus the expansion).

Dragon Age 2 was such garbage that when I finished it I uninstalled it immediately and never looked back.

Don't worry... Dragon Age 3 WILL suck. There's no doubt about it.
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I just got back from the future, where I got DA3. After installing the disc, all I got was a single room with an npc, asking me if I wanted to buy the chapter 1 dlc.
 
HowDroll

HowDroll

Azurephoenix said:
I feel for you... I loved Dragon Age Origins... played it through 3 times from start to finish (plus the expansion).

Dragon Age 2 was such garbage that when I finished it I uninstalled it immediately and never looked back.

Don't worry... Dragon Age 3 WILL suck. There's no doubt about it.
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You're probably right. I don't think I could deal with their doing to the DA universe what they did to the ME one -- I feel like my overall life satisfaction would be much higher if I had stopped with Mass Effect 2. The only good thing I can say about DA2 is that it didn't completely fuck up any of the DA:O characters' backstories (at least in my playthrough.)

I like my little fantasy world where my Warden and Alistair live happily ever after. I don't want any god-child fucking that up.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
I just got back from the future, where I got DA3. After installing the disc, all I got was a single room with an npc, asking me if I wanted to buy the chapter 1 dlc.
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What!? How come you got the room for free!? Was that the pre-order bonus? All I got was the title screen with big letters saying "Purchase the intro room DLC!"

Actually, I just got back from the future when they released Dragon Age 4. Here is the call I got about Dragon Age 4.

Rexx: Hey, so I purchased Dragon Age 4, but it's not letting me install. The disc just tells me to go buy the game on Origin.

EA: That is because you purchased the disc license, you need to purchase the digital license.

Rexx: You mean buying the disk won't give me the game?

EA: Nope, only that you are renting the disc with the data on it.

Rexx: Wow what the hell... okay but if I buy the game on Origin I get to play, right?

EA: Once you purchase the digital license you will be able to then go to the purchase page for the access license.

Rexx: Wait so I have to buy the digital, then pay to unlock the ability to play it?

EA: Unlock the ability to access it, not play it.

Rexx: Then how do I get to play it?

EA: The screen will inform you once you get there. Just make sure to get your Morlock Dollars ready when you get to the character screen.

Rexx: Don't tell me I have to pay to get the characters...

EA: The single-use character unlock license, yes.

Rexx: Then do I get to play?

EA: Then you need to purchase a class unlock license, followed by the chapter unlock license.

Rexx: Okay but after all that I get to play right?

EA: Almost! You then have to pay the NPC license to have the game populated with anything other then your character.

Rexx: THEN I can play!

EA: Well... no, you still don't have a weapon. That will require the weapon unlock...

Rexx: Oh you sons of bitches...
 
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SeraRelm

I often feel guilty for working for a company that promotes the over-all rape of video games by pushing DLC as a "wanted" commodity.
 
Necronic

Necronic

Staff member
Azurephoenix said:
I'm not buying any more EA products in the future. Even if they try and entice me with more Mass Effect I'm pretty sure at this stage of the game I can ignore it and play some other good stuff. I hate them so much and I don't want them to have any more of my money.

I'm also not stealing any of their shit either. They are fully dead to me now in every way.
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M8. You and every other gamer who gets butthurt with a developer says this. And then a game comes out that they want. And they buy it.

The phrase "Bark worse than bite" may apply to gamers more than any other consumer group in the history of the world. And that includes crackheads.
 
Necronic

Necronic

Staff member
The only time I ever really got mad at a developer was with Valve for releasing L4D2 so soon after L4D1. I was furious about it because I had just bought L4D1, and everything I saw about L4D2 struck me as xPac, not a new game. I made 2 posts here about it and I think that was it. I knew I would end up buying it, and I did about 2 years later when it was on sale.

I wasn't the only one that was mad about it. There was a massive usergroup on Steam that was called "BOYCOT L4D2" or something like that. They were all furious, numerous, and SUPER COMMITTED to their cause, or at least they said so. 1 year later something like 80% of that group had bought the game.
 
ElJuski

ElJuski

Staff member
Well, I wasn't saying you did anything specifically, just that I always see it on the boards,

but hey

EDIT: Oh wait I actually read through your post. I GET IT NOW!

Silly L4D kids.
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Necronic said:
M8. You and every other gamer who gets butthurt with a developer says this. And then a game comes out that they want. And they buy it.

The phrase "Bark worse than bite" may apply to gamers more than any other consumer group in the history of the world. And that includes crackheads.
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Thanks for lumping me in with people who apparently have less willpower than crackheads.
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

People have been buying DLC even under the guise of a whole new game for a long time. Look at current-market FPS war-shooters, or the yearly rehash of FIFA/Madden/etc that's been going on since forever. Capcom's fighting games, or the whole L4D thing. DLC is the next wave, the new big thing, and as long as people speak with their wallets it'll go one way or the other. The problem is people can't seem to give up that brand loyalty, no matter how low they decide to bend you over.

Hell, most of us here (and even those who whine about it on Blizzard's forums) still bought Diablo 3, always-online and all. You just have to decide if the cause is worth dropping IP's/companies over, or if you're just going to go with the flow.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Azurephoenix said:
Thanks for lumping me in with people who apparently have less willpower than crackheads.
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He's a gamer himself too. He's using hyperbole and is, of course, speaking of a group in general, not each individual. "Bulls fans are gay!" doesn't mean each and every one of their fans prefers sex with someone of their own gender; just that, as a group, they're pretty happy in life. Ahem :-P
 
Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Bubble181 said:
He's a gamer himself too. He's using hyperbole and is, of course, speaking of a group in general, not each individual. "Bulls fans are gay!" doesn't mean each and every one of their fans prefers sex with someone of their own gender; just that, as a group, they're pretty happy in life. Ahem :-P
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I might believe that more if he hadn't directly pointed me out:

Necronic said:
M8. You and every other gamer who gets butthurt with a developer says this. And then a game comes out that they want. And they buy it.
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Emphasis mine. I get the feeling he thinks I'm some spoiled whiny little kid who whines hard about games and developers and then goes out and buys their games as soon as new ones are released. In other words... a hypocrite.
 
ElJuski

ElJuski

Staff member
I've got a reasonable solution: people who play videogames should get diabetes and go to hell. NOW EVERYONE CAN BE MAD AT ME INSTEAD
 
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SeraRelm

With all that mountain dew and taking the lords name in vain, I think they're covered.
 
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