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fucking, win. think it's safe to say trish wins this threadShegokigo said:
Darkfall beta review @ "The Noob"
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I never used WoW as any part of any PvP debate, other than to say that WoW's implementation of PvP sucks ass. I shifted to Eve to point out that I'm not a carebear like you tried to insinuate.Mav said:
Yes, you can eject. So what? You still lost your ship and any cargo inside the ship, which could be worth days or even months worth of mission running/pirate hunting. You're just a fucking pussy that can't handle real defeat, which is why you play games like Shadowbane that allow you to keep your gear or allow you to farm it back rather quickly. Losing your ship in Eve is like dying in Shadowbane and losing your inventory.
There is no level cap in Eve Online. Your ignorance is showing, again. It would take well over twenty years to train every single skill to max rank in Eve. The point of Eve's skill system is to force you to pick and choose, carefully, what style of ship you want to specialize in. Once you've reached the pinnacle of the skills for that style of ship, you can start to branch out to become a more rounded character that can adapt to a changing battlefield.
There's no level cap in Eve, because there isn't supposed to be one. It's an open ended, sandbox empire building game. It requires a commitment to the game to acquire the "end game" cap ship skills and a dedication towards maintaining a steady flow of income to support your operations. Once you've reached the "level cap" for the ship you normally fly, you're not stuck playing that same ship. That would be like playing a rogue in WoW and reaching lvl 80 and well... you're a rogue. In Eve, you're a tackler... then you reach "lvl 80 tackler" and guess what... you're not stuck as a tackler. You can take other skills and branch out into other combat roles.
Eve Online is one of the better designed pvp games out on the market. It's flaws are in POS Warfare, Cap Ships, and fleet warfare latency. They've made some major changes recently though and I've been taking a break from Eve to play WoW... so I'm not sure what the changes have done to alter the ship balance in fleet warfare and the abundance of cap ships. Hopefully they've made mixed fleets more viable and reduced the power of cap ship fleets just cyno'ing in and tearing the shit out of everything. Although cyno jammers went a long way towards preventing that from happening every battle.
I'm glad people like you don't play Eve, because you would shit up the game.
"Wah wah wah... why can't I fly a battleship yet? I just bought the game yesterday? *whine whine whine*" <-- Mav
I liked when that one giant Corp spent 6 months trying to get the Titan or whatever, finally got it, and then that other huge corp came in and blew it up.
Now THAT is PvP.
Now THAT is PvP.
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i'm guessing you're the kinda guy that hated how games like guildwars let you jump right in at lvl cap without ever playing the game and still being pvp viable? roflAsenka said:
a real pvp mmo should be fast paced, it should be fast leveling, fast gear getting, and quick access to pvp at any time. the days of grinding in pvp mmo's is just tiresome. i love space and science fiction but the wait time to pvp in Eve is atrocious at best.
i grow tired of watching you beat your head against a wall of ignorance. the moment you say despite what the developers mean for a game to be it's still griefing is wrong and the fact that you just keep on boiling it down to personal insults is fucking epically hilarious. seriously dude, take the stick out of your ass at some point before you choke on it.
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That rather suggests that every level but the highest is unimportant, which leads me to the conclusion that fast leveling is simply pointless. And that would mean that a real pvp mmo shouldn't have leveling.Mav said:
I could get on board a game like that.
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agreed. if you check out the forums at mmorpg.com a mmorpg with no "levels" has been something people would be willing to get behind, something to just into, pvp, do your character up as you want in terms of items, gear, skills or abilities etc and charge into battle.Gruebeard said:
kind of like guild wars tried to be, but without any grinding for all the needed powers and item upgrades nor levels.
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yea but how many FPS have a fantasy backdrop and theme? which is sadly, what most mmo's are, fantasy based.Shegokigo said:
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some are pretty close. guild wars had the right-off-the-bat pvp but you still had to grind and pve a ton to get all the spells and items. sb's is pretty damn quick but you still need a few handfuls of rare resources for crafting leet gear, darkfall looks to be the closest we'll get to itShegokigo said:
Blizzard holds arena tournaments which are pretty frigging close to that, actually. You start at level cap, build your skill tree the way you want, and you spawn with thousands of gold. Every single vendor is right there, all with practically every piece of gear you want/need, and then you do arenas.
It'd be perfect if WoW PvP didn't consist of "lol my class kills ur class" and "hide behind the pillarz."
It'd be perfect if WoW PvP didn't consist of "lol my class kills ur class" and "hide behind the pillarz."
GuildWars was designed that way. Eve wasn't. You're suggesting that Eve should be changed. You're a moron. Eve isn't going to change. It's that way for a reason. It's not an FPS game in space. It's an RPG in space. Role-playing games are about a steady increase of power over time played.Mav said:
Eve isn't for you jackass. It's not for the attention span deprived ritalin kids that want instant gratification. It's an RPG, not an FPS. Get over it. The game is not for you.
You're the ignorant one here. Griefing is griefing. It doesn't fucking matter what the rules in the game are. It's still griefing. The difference between an open range pvp game and a game like WoW where PvP is only in certain areas, is that griefing is sanctioned in one game and forbidden in the other.
That's the fucking point your two brain cells in that thick skull keep failing to comprehend. Causing grief is separate from the rules. The only difference is that in one game, you can report the griefer for breaking the rules and you have to take the initiative in the other game.
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I still rather prefer the roll-playing.Vrii said:I know this is going to sound crazy, but I always thought role-playing games were about...role-playing?Asenka said:
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I'm talking about RPG's as in the online/computer sense. They're less about roleplaying. When I want to roleplay, I play D&D with my friends in the living room on soft, comfy couches. When I want to play an "RPG", as the computer game industry has defined it, I play games like EQ2, WoW, and such. They'd more aptly be described as Adventure Games instead of RPG's.
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I think they'd get put under "Piece of trash games that people with no taste buy."Asenka said:
What do you think about that?!
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Even though there are no elections going on right now we still gotta argue about something silly. Apparently it's video games.superking said:
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yea but those are tourney's, if that was a default option for every day pvp, it'd be more awesome. not quite open range but as close as blizzard could probably give you.Skrattybones said:
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Yes because the fact I don't want to spend a year or so becoming l33t in an MMO and I want pvp when I want it as I want it, I'm a griefer.Asenka said:
Well guess the fuck what; there are tons of players like me. Thousands of us online who share this similar game playing experience we like. We're all griefers though aren't we?
That's ok with us. We're cool with it. You might not be but we don't care if you are or aren't. QQ over it all you want. Go enjoy your WoW and your Eve, we'll stick with UO/SB/DF. We'll wtfpwn some noobs, pwnerer style. We have uber micro skillz, you don't.
But thanks for the laughs, this is definitely one of the funniest things I've ever read in our community. Maybe one day you'll get those panties out of your ass and see it's just a game dude, and I didn't have to resort to calling you a complete and utter moron, dumbass or any other things your fingers decided were cool that your brain should have noticed, weren't.
MOD EDIT: Let's leave the mothers out of this, shall we?
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Took me a while to figure this one out.Mav said:
PM a mod.
Nothing hypocritical about wanting to start a new thread when one flame war shut down the old one. Next time, just use the first post to tell Asenka to stay out.
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I apologize for, dragging it on. Just people like Asenka...they just bring it out of me. While I can't stand their playstyle I also really fucking hate when they label the rest of us as something we aren't.Necronic said:
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