Gas Bandit's Political Thread III

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Anubinomicon

how do you define a "Good" teacher? my wife teaches special ed and some kids progress better then others. also kids who have been a terror to other teachers have connected with her and started to "do better" but not as good as they be on that grade level. To me she's doing her job and being a good teacher, but by the system you agree with she might be considered a bad teacher because one of her kids isnt where they are supposed to be.
 
Espy

Espy

Anubinomicon said:
how do you define a "Good" teacher? my wife teaches special ed and some kids progress better then others. also kids who have been a terror to other teachers have connected with her and started to "do better" but not as good as they be on that grade level. To me she's doing her job and being a good teacher, but by the system you agree with she might be considered a bad teacher because one of her kids isnt where they are supposed to be.
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Thats the toughest thing isn't it? We have to have a system set up that allows for someone to make that call yet it's very hard to come up with the criteria needed.
All I know is that in most jobs you are judged by your results. If you, as a teacher, consistently have poor student grades then I think that needs to be looked at. And union protection can't be the saving grace of the shitty teachers. Even if I was at my job for 20 years if my results are consistantly poor I'm not going to be there much longer.
 
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Anubinomicon

well i agree, but then comes an issue thats becoming more common of teachers being involved with students in inappropriate ways. if some student really wanted to get his teacher axed would be to say that the teacher had hugged or touched him. the students are allowed to hug teachers, but the teachers aren't supposed to be the ones that initiate the hug. this is because young children like to hug when upset, so its allowable in that circumstance. in most cases without the unions help it would be difficult for the teachers to properly defend themselves. however i have seen it work the other way where this douche got away with only resigning because the lawyers AND the union couldn't prove he did anything, when most people know something had happened.

i agree with the general idea of it, but can't subscribe to it until a SOLID in writing "rules" are laid out. i've seen first hand too many kids not achieve grade level or where their parents think they should be by the end of the year when the teachers (not just my wife) are doing everything possible for the kid. alot of times though there are emotional and learning disabilities involved.
 
Espy

Espy

Hey, we are in agreement. There is no good way to figure this out. The way we do it now doesn't work either. We need someone smarter than us.

I'll put in a call to Batman. :batman:
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
Hey, we are in agreement. There is no good way to figure this out. The way we do it now doesn't work either. We need someone smarter than us.

I'll put in a call to Batman. :batman:
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Uh huh, always Batman with you. I mean, I know he can sing, but teach? I'm skeptical.
 
Krisken

Krisken

The reason Fox News is treated like the Enquirer- (note- listen to what Biden says, then watch the second clip to see what he really says)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv0ge6ltyLA&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/:30qry8fk][/youtube:30qry8fk]

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CRDSZ3Pl4&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/:30qry8fk][/youtube:30qry8fk]

You'd think by now these people would realize that we live in a digital age, where checking video archives is as simple as going to a common file sharing site.
 
GasBandit

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Someone should have gotten Palin's daughter's boyfriend this card.

What if Barack Obama had campaigned on the things he has done in his first 2 months since becoming president? He would be in the Senate, that's what.

The Obama administration has abandoned the term "enemy combatant" to describe detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

Just a week ago, the Obama administration was saying, "fundamentally, the economy is weak." Now they are changing their tune.

Here's a word that the Obama administration probably didn't expect would become synonymous with their administration: incompetence.

How about a Joe Biden open mic moment?

The earth hasn't been warming for years; in fact it is getting cooler. So why are CO2 witch-hunter environmentalists still trying to tell us how to live? I'll tell you why .. because the global warming movement isn't about science. It's about finding new ways for government to control the private sector and raise money.

The President of Bolivia has decided that his government should seize private land from large-scale owners and redistribute it to people who have none. Worked well in Zimbabwe.

Washington DC is experiencing a severe AIDS epidemic.

A government school in Portland, Oregon has banned a fifth grader from wearing an Obama mask while performing in the school talent show because some parents felt it was "inappropriate and potentially offensive."

Both chambers of the Georgia Legislature approved a bill to require proof of citizenship in order to vote. Holy Cannoli.

The Wall Street Journal asks .. is Ayn Rand relevant?

So 1.5 million American children were "homeless" in 2005-2006? Yeah, depends on your definition of "homeless."
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
GasBandit said:
Both chambers of the Georgia Legislature approved a bill to require proof of citizenship in order to vote. Holy Cannoli.
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OMG. How DARE they try and make it so people can't vote illegally?!?! Outragous!
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Supporters, including the official in charge of Georgia elections, have said the measure would protect the integrity of the voting process. Critics have countered people who don't have the documents available or can't afford the costs of getting copies might end up being disenfranchised.
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Make copies of the required documents free and you have my support. Until then, it's a poll tax.
 
Espy

Espy

Krisken said:
Supporters, including the official in charge of Georgia elections, have said the measure would protect the integrity of the voting process. Critics have countered people who don't have the documents available or can't afford the costs of getting copies might end up being disenfranchised.
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Make copies of the required documents free and you have my support. Until then, it's a poll tax.
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How about we make getting state I.D.'s free? I would be willing to go that far regardless of how much forehead slapping the above statement makes me do due to it's nitpicking stupidity.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
Krisken said:
Supporters, including the official in charge of Georgia elections, have said the measure would protect the integrity of the voting process. Critics have countered people who don't have the documents available or can't afford the costs of getting copies might end up being disenfranchised.
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Make copies of the required documents free and you have my support. Until then, it's a poll tax.
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How about we make getting state I.D.'s free? I would be willing to go that far regardless of how much forehead slapping the above statement makes me do due to it's nitpicking stupidity.
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Everything seems stupid to those who the rule doesn't effect, Espy. You're forgetting the elderly and disabled, who have trouble getting around in many areas. When considering these things, it's often not easy to realize how these things effect others, not just ourselves.

I'd be happy to have state I.D.'s free for this purpose, or even a voters card.
 
Espy

Espy

Krisken said:
Espy said:
Krisken said:
Supporters, including the official in charge of Georgia elections, have said the measure would protect the integrity of the voting process. Critics have countered people who don't have the documents available or can't afford the costs of getting copies might end up being disenfranchised.
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Make copies of the required documents free and you have my support. Until then, it's a poll tax.
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How about we make getting state I.D.'s free? I would be willing to go that far regardless of how much forehead slapping the above statement makes me do due to it's nitpicking stupidity.
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Everything seems stupid to those who the rule doesn't effect, Espy. You're forgetting the elderly and disabled, who have trouble getting around in many areas. When considering these things, it's often not easy to realize how these things effect others, not just ourselves.

I'd be happy to have state I.D.'s free for this purpose, or even a voters card.
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*shrug*, I'm not forgetting anyone, I just don't see a problem with trying to stop voter fraud by using an amazingly sane and simple thing.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
*shrug*, I'm not forgetting anyone, I just don't see a problem with trying to stop voter fraud by using an amazingly sane and simple thing.
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Of course it seems simple.
Most voter fraud doesn't happen at the polls by voters, though. The problem is mostly with election officials and poll workers.
I say try to stop it (I agreed that as long as the voting steps were free, I was for it). We'd also need to find a way that prevents this from becoming an inconvenience.
 
Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

Espy said:
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Obama berates AIG and vows to try to block bonuses

Thoughts?
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Not much of a thought Espy. Was actually curious. I didn't see it immediately being discussed by I for one am all for the idea of blocking the bonuses. If they have to bailed out, I don't feel they should be using bailout money to receive multiple millions in bonus money. And if they aren't using the "bailout" money for the bonuses, then those bonuses should be put towards pulling the company out of the hole anyhow.

But these are my thoughts, and by no means am I some kind of expert in any of this. That's why I am really interested in hearing opposing viewpoints. Or by all means, viewpoints like my own, but hearing the opposing side does more to give me a more rounded picture of things than just blindly screaming from the fence when it could probably be (easily) shown that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
 
Espy

Espy

That was more my feeling of the entire situation. It's just stupid. This is just one brick in a giant wall of government ineptitude.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
That was more my feeling of the entire situation. It's just stupid. This is just one brick in a giant wall of government ineptitude.
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I had comments, but suddenly stopped feeling like it was worth saying.
 
Espy

Espy

Krisken said:
Espy said:
That was more my feeling of the entire situation. It's just stupid. This is just one brick in a giant wall of government ineptitude.
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I had comments, but suddenly stopped feeling like it was worth saying.
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Eh, it's just my 2 cents. I'm not happy with the government spending and bailing out.
You don't have to agree, it's all good. :slywink:
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
Krisken said:
Espy said:
That was more my feeling of the entire situation. It's just stupid. This is just one brick in a giant wall of government ineptitude.
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I had comments, but suddenly stopped feeling like it was worth saying.
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Eh, it's just my 2 cents. I'm not happy with the government spending and bailing out.
You don't have to agree, it's all good. :slywink:
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It's cool to not agree. I just feel like ideas are less respected than staunch fanaticism often within this thread. Sometimes adding my own two cents won't really help any.
 
Espy

Espy

I'm sorry you consider my opinion to be "staunch fanaticism" then rather than just my thoughts. Unless you aren't talking to me, I'm just assuming since you quoted my post.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Espy said:
I'm sorry you consider my opinion to be "staunch fanaticism" then rather than just my thoughts. Unless you aren't talking to me, I'm just assuming since you quoted my post.
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No, not you Espy. I've just run into a lot of it this weekend with friends who are usually pretty good at open discussion getting a bit dogmatic. I should have clarified that I didn't mean you directly. You're pretty good at having a conversation that discusses issues, not the hands in the air flailing "Socialism! Fascism! Communism! Etc." I guess I hit an overload this weekend.
 
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