Gas Bandit's Political Thread III

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Iaculus

Krisken said:
Futureking said:
Espy said:
Turns out metal bed frames aren't the way to go.
Must've been made by dem commies.
Certainly wasn't Repub fascists. They don't do real work :rofl:
Now now, people, let's be reasonable. The inferior work was clearly requested by the green agenda in their continuing attempt to destroy developed civilisation by crippling our metalworkers with spurious 'environmental regulation'. Nothing else makes sense.
 
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JCM

Krisken said:
Espy said:
Krisken said:
Espy said:
That was more my feeling of the entire situation. It's just stupid. This is just one brick in a giant wall of government ineptitude.
I had comments, but suddenly stopped feeling like it was worth saying.
Eh, it's just my 2 cents. I'm not happy with the government spending and bailing out.
You don't have to agree, it's all good. :slywink:
It's cool to not agree. I just feel like ideas are less respected than staunch fanaticism often within this thread. Sometimes adding my own two cents won't really help any.
This.

I was surprised that anyone would find blocking of bonuses of a few white-collar crooks as anything but good, especially those against social security and giving money to the poor... main reason why avoid FARK threads these days:aaahhh:
 
Oh JCM, don't get me wrong, I have no problems with the government saying here's what you can and can't do with all the trillions we are giving you, it's just the overall mess of the whole thing that's got me going :facepalm:
 
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JCM

Espy said:
Oh JCM, don't get me wrong, I have no problems with the government saying here's what you can and can't do with all the trillions we are giving you, it's just the overall mess of the whole thing that's got me going :facepalm:
That I must agree. Heck, it took what, 200 years for the presidents to get the debt to a trillion, and just 3 republicans to double it, and now just Obama to double it more.

Maybe we should start betting how soon the million and billion dollar bills are gonna be printed out... :devil:
 
JCM said:
Krisken said:
It's cool to not agree. I just feel like ideas are less respected than staunch fanaticism often within this thread. Sometimes adding my own two cents won't really help any.
This.

I was surprised that anyone would find blocking of bonuses of a few white-collar crooks as anything but good, especially those against social security and giving money to the poor... main reason why avoid FARK threads these days:aaahhh:
Every so often I head on over and read the threads to see what the FARK independents are up to. Their zeal is astounding.
 

GasBandit

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Got two tower builds, two clock changes, a new morning show and a slough of affidavits to wade through. I'm going to be a rare sight this week and my presence will probably be nigh-nonexistent next week. But, for now, here's some links.


This one has the turbochristians all hot and bothered .. Obama is in favor of federal health benefits for same-sex partners. Gargals! Slykicks! Darksided!

Is the White House prepared for the eventual [urlhttp://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/16/america/16assess.php]bailout backlash?[/url]

The chairman of Wells Fargo is upset with the government for retroactively adding curbs to TARP funds and says that the administration's plan for stress-testing banks is "asinine."

Here's a pleasant surprise .. eight Democrats do not want for Obama's cap and trade bill to be included in the annual budget.

Did you know that state governments that contract jobs paid for with stimulus money will be required to pay workers on construction projects union wages rather than market rates?

The Project for Excellence in Journalism has just released its annual report on the state of the news media.

According to the latest Rasmussen poll, only 9% non-union workers actually want to join a union.

California is having major budget problems. But guess what? The number of government employees in California is growing.

Connecticut has discovered 111 obsolete laws that are still on the books.

You know how much I love the idea of being politically correct .. the EU has decided to ban the use of "Miss" and "Mrs" because they are sexist.

And now from Germany ... Obama fried chicken fingers.
 
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Armadillo

GasBandit said:
You know how much I love the idea of being politically correct .. the EU has decided to ban the use of "Miss" and "Mrs" because they are sexist.
Look at the bright side...apparently there's nothing more important for the EU to worry about! All of the world's problems have been solved! :eek:i:
 
Futureking said:
Bush says he won't criticize the new president and he plans to write a book

If he's good enough for Bush.....
Well, there IS a tradition of old Presidents not critisizing their replacements. That's why Clinton, for example, didn't start really critisizing Bush until he started campaining for his wife. One of the few civilities that still exists in American politics - well, MOSTLY still exists, Dick Cheney certainly doesn't seem to be following it.

So I guess I'm saying, Bush might hate Obama and his policies, but he's decent enough (or at least respects tradition enough) to hide it.
 

GasBandit

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I expect this to be my only post today, most likely.

------TLDR BEGINS--------------

So everybody's crapping themselves with rage over the AIG bonuses. would "create a 60 percent surtax on bonuses over $10,000 to any company in which the U.S. government has a 79 percent or greater equity stake in the company. Currently, AIG is the only company that meets this threshold." This is an absolute orgy of pandering to wealth envy. All while the federal government continues to cruise along operating a Ponzi Scheme (social security) that makes Bernie Madoff look like he was running a game of 3 card monte on a cardboard box on a street corner. Gonna be fun times when THAT falls apart. It'll make AIG's troubles look like losing a dollar to a vending machine.

The bailout money was delivered in a panicked hurry. With no strings attached. Now all this after the fact. Does this ring a bell with anyone .. particularly anyone up there in Washington?

The United States Constitution said:
Article 1 Section 9

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Article 1 Section 10

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Remember when Obama said we were a country that honors our contracts? Guess not.

Here's something I'm guessing some don't know. The Financial Services Division of AIG is headquartered in Wilton, Conn. In Connecticut they have a little gem called the "Wage Act." This law says that if an employee has to sue for wages payable pursuant to a contract they recover twice the amount that is contractually owed. And you can bet your ass that somebody who contractually had a million dollar bonus coming to them would sue. That would have meant $330 million instead of $165 million. Add some attorney's fees on top of that. So ... you're running AIG. What would YOU do?

---------TLDR ends--------

The Washington Times is reporting that the Obama administration is quietly ending the federal firearms program that allows pilots to carry guns if they've completed a federal-safety program. As of right now, 12,000 pilots have been approved to carry guns. There are zero cases in which those pilots have improperly brandished or used those guns.

With all this brouhaha in Washington right now over AIG bonuses, Chris Dodd is trying to undo the very executive compensation restrictions that he fought for in the economic stimulus bill.

Obama to yank VA health benefits from veterans?

Reason Magazine explains how our government is stimulating us to death.

Remember when Barack Obama promised that his stimulus plan was going to save Caterpillar from laying off workers? Unfortunately that didn't turn out as he planned.

Guess what Americans aren't buying ... hybrid cars. But guess what politicians are forcing the car companies to produce .. hybrid cars. This is not how supply and demand works.

Do you want your healthcare system to be described as "third world"? Well then take a look at what is happening with Britain's National Health Service.

Here's some more comforting news. Russia has decided that it is going to rearm itself. I guess they recognize the weakness in our new president.

Did you hear that liberal bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, and policy wonks have an off-the-record online meeting space called JournoList?

Sheriff Joe out there in Maricopa County, Arizona says that there is no way in hell he is going to testify before a congressional committee about his alleged immigration enforcement abuses.

Seems Florida just now realized they don't actually have a law on the books prohibiting bestiality. The REALLY funny part is the part where a state senator, when hearing of an amendment so that the law doesn't prohibit practices as part of normal animal husbandry, said "People are taking these animals as their husbands? What's husbandry?"
 
GasBandit said:
Seems Florida just now realized they don't actually have a law on the books prohibiting bestiality. The REALLY funny part is the part where a state senator, when hearing of an amendment so that the law doesn't prohibit practices as part of normal animal husbandry, said "People are taking these animals as their husbands? What's husbandry?"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Now that made my day!
 
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Iaculus

Espy said:
GasBandit said:
Seems Florida just now realized they don't actually have a law on the books prohibiting bestiality. The REALLY funny part is the part where a state senator, when hearing of an amendment so that the law doesn't prohibit practices as part of normal animal husbandry, said "People are taking these animals as their husbands? What's husbandry?"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Now that made my day!
Wrong link, though.
 
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Mr_Chaz

GasBandit said:
Do you want your healthcare system to be described as "third world"? Well then take a look at what is happening with Britain's National Health Service.
From the very same article said:
Mr Brown insisted it was an isolated incident, saying the Healthcare Commission had assured him there were no other hospitals or parts of the NHS which had displayed similar failings
So please don't tar the entire organisation with the failures of one lot of management staff.
 
Mr_Chaz said:
GasBandit said:
Do you want your healthcare system to be described as "third world"? Well then take a look at what is happening with Britain's National Health Service.
[quote="From the very same article":2du5439t]Mr Brown insisted it was an isolated incident, saying the Healthcare Commission had assured him there were no other hospitals or parts of the NHS which had displayed similar failings
So please don't tar the entire organisation with the failures of one lot of management staff.[/quote:2du5439t]
At least this guy gets plenty of work in this thread.
vvvvv
 

GasBandit

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Iaculus said:
Espy said:
GasBandit said:
Seems Florida just now realized they don't actually have a law on the books prohibiting bestiality. The REALLY funny part is the part where a state senator, when hearing of an amendment so that the law doesn't prohibit practices as part of normal animal husbandry, said "People are taking these animals as their husbands? What's husbandry?"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Now that made my day!
Wrong link, though.

Urrrghhg...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/l ... 982771.ece
 
GasBandit said:
Lots of stuff about AIG
Sorry, didn't want to quote the whole thing, it was long. Anyway, first of all, I find it amazing that you continue to call yourself non-partisan. You quote ONLY democrats who are being populist shills about the AIG bonuses, when there are plenty of Republicans who are being just as idiotic, if not more so. For example, Senator Charles Grassley, who suggested that AIG executives should commit suicide (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_ ... assley_aig).

Also, at least one of the proposed ways to get the bonuses back (the 100% tax thing that you mentioned) would certainly not violate ex post facto law, nor would it be a breach of contract for the Conneticut law. Now, I don't want to make it sound like I'm in favor of the current pitchfork waving populism over these bonuses. I'm not. But your arguments against the legality are fairly silly.

Here's some more comforting news. Russia has decided that it is going to rearm itself. I guess they recognize the weakness in our new president.
Yes, Russia has become so much more agressive since we got this weakling President. Like invading Georgia. Oh wait, that was before Obama was even elected. But sure, that was Obama's fault as well, somehow. *rolls eyes*

Now, for once, I have a link of my own. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell when that man was Secretary of State, has an EPIC takedown of Dick Cheney. Best quote:

"As to twisted logic: "Cheney said at least 61 of the inmates who were released from Guantanamo (sic) during the Bush administration...have gone back into the business of being terrorists." So, the fact that the Bush administration was so incompetent that it released 61 terrorists, is a valid criticism of the Obama administration? Or was this supposed to be an indication of what percentage of the still-detained men would likely turn to terrorism if released in future? Or was this a revelation that men kept in detention such as those at GITMO--even innocent men--would become terrorists if released because of the harsh treatment meted out to them at GITMO? Seven years in jail as an innocent man might do that for me. Hard to tell. "

He doesn't even mention that the 61 released "terrorists" number has been completely discredited - it includes people whose only act of terrorism was appearing in an anti-Gitmo British documentary, or writing an op-ed for the New York Times (oh, let's make a joke about how those things are terrorism! Hahaha. I'm so funny.)

Here's the link: (http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archiv ... 2?79083db0). A shorter verision of the article: we tortured people, even though we KNEW they were not terrorists. Amazing. How do these people sleep at night? I seriously wonder about that. The Obama administration also gets bruised a little, if you're wondering (Wilkerson thinks that Gitmo could be closed much sooner than in a year, although he acknowledges that politics probably makes that impossible).
 

GasBandit said:
The Washington Times is reporting that the Obama administration is quietly ending the federal firearms program that allows pilots to carry guns if they've completed a federal-safety program. As of right now, 12,000 pilots have been approved to carry guns. There are zero cases in which those pilots have improperly brandished or used those guns.
And how many times have they USED them or have been able to disable a negative situation with their guns? None.

Same article:
Fewer than one percent of the officers have any administrative actions brought against them and, we are told, virtually all of those cases “are trumped up.”
And who told them? Who knows? Sources not given. How convenient.

This whole thing is bullshit, GB. Nicely done, Mr. Fair & Balanced.
 

GasBandit

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Dieb said:
GasBandit said:
Lots of stuff about AIG
Sorry, didn't want to quote the whole thing, it was long. Anyway, first of all, I find it amazing that you continue to call yourself non-partisan. You quote ONLY democrats who are being populist shills about the AIG bonuses, when there are plenty of Republicans who are being just as idiotic, if not more so. For example, Senator Charles Grassley, who suggested that AIG executives should commit suicide (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_ ... assley_aig).
I never said I was non-partisan. I said I was libertarian. Libertarians can be extremely partisan. In fact, I've often said that bipartisanship is one of the things harming this country.

That's an excellent link there, showing a republican being just as stupid as the other guys I linked. The difference is, the guys I linked are in charge. More firmly in charge than any political party has been in my lifetime. Your point about Republicans though is completely valid and I am in agreement with it.

Also, at least one of the proposed ways to get the bonuses back (the 100% tax thing that you mentioned) would certainly not violate ex post facto law, nor would it be a breach of contract for the Conneticut law. Now, I don't want to make it sound like I'm in favor of the current pitchfork waving populism over these bonuses. I'm not. But your arguments against the legality are fairly silly.
No, the connecticut law just says they'd do double damage if they sued and won (and with that kind of scratch at stake, you can bet they'd get some damn good lawyers involved). The federal government is not right to decide not to honor legal contracts just because they bought an 80 percent stake in a company after the contracts were signed. To pass a tax bill (legislation) which would de facto eliminate the bonuses in contracts that were signed and legal BEFORE the bill was passed is the very definition of ex post facto. Such a bill could only constitutionally affect new contracts going forward. There's another section in that quote, too, about impairing the obligation of contracts. But then, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, what with all the talk of "cramdown" legislation being put through, where a judge can just arbitrarily change your balance and interest on a mortgage to whatever he feels it should be. This country's turning more and more centralized each day.

[quote:2kgxoiw6]Here's some more comforting news. Russia has decided that it is going to rearm itself. I guess they recognize the weakness in our new president.
Yes, Russia has become so much more agressive since we got this weakling President. Like invading Georgia. Oh wait, that was before Obama was even elected. But sure, that was Obama's fault as well, somehow. *rolls eyes*[/quote:2kgxoiw6] No, that could also no doubt be attributed partly to sensed weakness, but in a different form: in the form of the US already deployed in 2 theaters, not to mention so much militarily isolationist caterwauling going on during the presidential campaigns.

Edrondol said:
GasBandit said:
The Washington Times is reporting that the Obama administration is quietly ending the federal firearms program that allows pilots to carry guns if they've completed a federal-safety program. As of right now, 12,000 pilots have been approved to carry guns. There are zero cases in which those pilots have improperly brandished or used those guns.
And how many times have they USED them or have been able to disable a negative situation with their guns? None.
So, if you've not experienced a wreck, you should go ahead and cancel your insurance? We can't know how many spitballed ideas got mothballed before even being spoken by the knowledge that pilots would be armed. That's the thing about deterrents.

This whole thing is bullshit, GB. Nicely done, Mr. Fair & Balanced.
It's not, and I am fair. I never claimed to be balanced, though. And you can go fuck yourself. :)
 
GasBandit said:
So, if you've not experienced a wreck, you should go ahead and cancel your insurance? We can't know how many spitballed ideas got mothballed before even being spoken by the knowledge that pilots would be armed. That's the thing about deterrents.
I have a stone to sell you that keeps aliens from probing you. I've been protected by it, so it must work.
 
GasBandit said:
]I never said I was non-partisan. I said I was libertarian. Libertarians can be extremely partisan. In fact, I've often said that bipartisanship is one of the things harming this country.

That's an excellent link there, showing a republican being just as stupid as the other guys I linked. The difference is, the guys I linked are in charge. More firmly in charge than any political party has been in my lifetime. Your point about Republicans though is completely valid and I am in agreement with it.
I phrased that badly. I didn't mean non-partisan as in someone for bipartisanship (I know how you feel about that) I meant as in someone who doesn't take sides in the Republican vs Democratic debates. Now, your point about the Dems being very firmly in charge is a good one (although lets remember the Republicans had control of all branches of government 2002-2006, although they certainly never had as large of majorities in Congress as the Democrats do now) but I did find it interesting that you were ONLY quoting Dems on this. At least we can both agree that both sides in Congress are acting like chickens with their heads cut off on this issue - and 99% of other issues as well, just worse than usual with this AIG mess.

No, that could also no doubt be attributed partly to sensed weakness, but in a different form: in the form of the US already deployed in 2 theaters, not to mention so much militarily isolationist caterwauling going on during the presidential campaigns.
Wait, militarily isolationist caterwauling in the presidential campaings? Were you watching the same campaigns as I was? Sure, there were some cranks on both sides who could be said to be isolationist (Ron Paul maybe, or Dennis Kucinich) but none of them had a shot at even getting nominated by one of the major parties. John McCain had probably the most gung-ho interventionist foreign policy ideas of a Presidential candidate since, well, Bush in 2004, but other than that....maybe JFK? Or even FDR? Regan would have sounded like a pacifist next to what McCain said in the campaign. And let's remember Obama campaigned explicitly on a surge in Afghanistan. And called for the Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO. Hard to call his views isolationist.

No, you nailed it with the first part: the US was, and still is, deployed in two theaters already. We're overextended. We can't operate like an empire over the entire globe with the current amount of resources we devote to the military, not to mention how underfunded the State department is for the kind of power projection it would take to be so globaly dominant. I agree that it is this sense of "weakness" (I put it in quotes because after the Cold War ended, the US was more powerful than any nation has ever been on Earth) that is causing Russia to flex its muscles. I just don't see what it has to do with Obama.
 
Mr_Chaz said:
GasBandit said:
Do you want your healthcare system to be described as "third world"? Well then take a look at what is happening with Britain's National Health Service.
[quote="From the very same article":1cg2clli]Mr Brown insisted it was an isolated incident, saying the Healthcare Commission had assured him there were no other hospitals or parts of the NHS which had displayed similar failings
So please don't tar the entire organisation with the failures of one lot of management staff.[/quote:1cg2clli]

Dehydrated patients were forced to drink out of flower vases, while others were left in soiled linen on filthy wards.
Receptionists carrying out initial checks on patients;
Two clinical decision units - one unstaffed - used as 'dumping grounds' for A&E patients to avoid missing waiting targets;
Nurses who turned off heart monitors because they didn't understand how to use them;
Delayed operations, with some patients having surgery cancelled four days in a row and left without food, drink or medication;
Vital equipment such as heart defibrilators was not working;
A savings target of £10million met at the expense of 150 posts, including nurses.
:facepalm:

They saved a whole 10 million pounds and they can't afford to get proper paper cups for drinking water?
 
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Iaculus

Interestingly, the Staffordshire installation was one of the new 'foundation trusts', designed to have rather less government control and to behave more like a private company. Here's the NHS page on them, if you can plough through the New Labour doublespeak.
 
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Iaculus

Covar said:
Krisken said:
*smbc*

Thought this Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal was funny.
Silly Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal, Congress doesn't listen to their voters.
The unspeakably huge election budgets say otherwise.

They mmay not act on what they hear, but they certainly listen.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Krisken said:
GasBandit said:
So, if you've not experienced a wreck, you should go ahead and cancel your insurance? We can't know how many spitballed ideas got mothballed before even being spoken by the knowledge that pilots would be armed. That's the thing about deterrents.
I have a stone to sell you that keeps aliens from probing you. I've been protected by it, so it must work.
I might be slightly less skeptical of your claim if I'd actually been probed by Aliens at some point. I thus far have been thankfully probe-free. However, if you'll remember 2001, we definitely experienced a situation in which armed pilots would have saved not just hundreds but thousands of lives.

Dieb said:
I phrased that badly. I didn't mean non-partisan as in someone for bipartisanship (I know how you feel about that) I meant as in someone who doesn't take sides in the Republican vs Democratic debates. Now, your point about the Dems being very firmly in charge is a good one (although lets remember the Republicans had control of all branches of government 2002-2006, although they certainly never had as large of majorities in Congress as the Democrats do now) but I did find it interesting that you were ONLY quoting Dems on this. At least we can both agree that both sides in Congress are acting like chickens with their heads cut off on this issue - and 99% of other issues as well, just worse than usual with this AIG mess.
Yes, they did have a slim majority, and they behaved extremely badly. They spent like there was no tomorrow. The reason I'm quoting mostly dems on this is because I believe the dems actually believe what they say. I don't believe republicans actually believe anything except the erroneous belief that pretense to the center is a good way to retain seats... which it isn't. The last election definitely showed that. Or, to put it another way, I think the democrats are the spearhead on this and the republicans in question are bandwagon jumping windsocks.

Dieb said:
No, you nailed it with the first part: the US was, and still is, deployed in two theaters already. We're overextended. We can't operate like an empire over the entire globe with the current amount of resources we devote to the military, not to mention how underfunded the State department is for the kind of power projection it would take to be so globaly dominant. I agree that it is this sense of "weakness" (I put it in quotes because after the Cold War ended, the US was more powerful than any nation has ever been on Earth) that is causing Russia to flex its muscles. I just don't see what it has to do with Obama.
Then why didn't the russians start rearming under Bush? Especially around the time of the Georgia invasion? Could it have been because they didn't want to influence the presidential election toward a "war veteran" and away from a "peacenik?" Didn't want to be McCain's october surprise, as it were?


Iaculus said:
Covar said:
Krisken said:
*smbc*

Thought this Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal was funny.
Silly Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal, Congress doesn't listen to their voters.
The unspeakably huge election budgets say otherwise.

They mmay not act on what they hear, but they certainly listen.
I don't know that they listen to their voters so much as they listen to their contributors.


Ok, today's links. Again... I'm gonna be a rare sight today after this.



Even though I'm sure Obama wouldn't have any trouble finding RINOs, for some reason he's tacking his favorite projects onto the budget instead of in their own bills, so that only a simple majority is needed to pass it instead of a supermajority, and debate is a set limit rather than until cloture. Seems unnecessary to me. He'd easily get what he wants without the chicanery.

The Fed has decided to pump another trillion dollars into the economy out of thin air. Perhaps it's time to move what's left of my savings abroad, lest it get cut in half again, this time by inflation.

Chris Dodd owned up to being responsible for adding the bonus loophole into the stimulus package that permitted AIG and other companies that received bailout funds to pay bonuses.

Will Obama's anger over these AIG bonuses end up backfiring on him? I don't think so. The Plebes are too dumb, and there's no real opposition of any strength or organization in any other political party.

Well that was fast .. Obama will not pursue a proposal that would have allowed the VA to charge private insurance companies for the treatment of veterans. Maybe the system isn't 100% fubar after all.. maybe 96%.

Obama is completely dependent on his teleprompter. Ok, we knew that already. But did we know the dependency was so intense that he'd even read somebody else's speech and end up thanking himself before he noticed something was wrong? To be fair, the other guy read Obama's speech for a couple paragraphs before he realized it wasn't his.

The White House admits that its cap and trade scheme is going to cost three times the amount they originally cited. Try over a trillion dollars. Global warming - just an excuse for a grand new tax program. And when it comes to healthcare, guess what? That is going to cost more than the White House planned as well. Try more than double what they were expecting.

George W. Bush says he wants Barack Obama to succeed and that it's "essential" to support the new leader.

Russia has confirmed that it has a contract with Iran to sell air-defense missiles.

Speaking of Russia. The Kremlin's idea for a global solution to this financial crisis is to establish an international currency.

Colorado has just insured it will never be relevant to a presidential campaign ever again. I wonder if candidates will even bother to stop over there, since now all of colorado's delegates will vote for whoever wins the national popular vote.

Could we have yet another potential embarrassing cabinet nomination from Barack Obama? This time it is Commerce Secretary nominee Gary Locke.

Texas lawmakers are really worried about the important issues in this world .. like whether or not teenagers can use tanning beds.

A chaplain at a hospice in Boca Raton resigned because they banned him from using the words "God" or "Lord" in public settings.
 
GasBandit said:
Krisken said:
GasBandit said:
So, if you've not experienced a wreck, you should go ahead and cancel your insurance? We can't know how many spitballed ideas got mothballed before even being spoken by the knowledge that pilots would be armed. That's the thing about deterrents.
There is no evidence that pilots being armed would have been an effective deterrent, even in that situation. Which was my point. Which you knew, of course. One instance does not a valid argument make.
 
GasBandit said:
Obama is completely dependent on his teleprompter. Ok, we knew that already. But did we know the dependency was so intense that he'd even read somebody else's speech and end up thanking himself before he noticed something was wrong? To be fair, the other guy read Obama's speech for a couple paragraphs before he realized it wasn't his.
Thats pretty funny. Very Bushie.
 
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