Gas Bandit's Political Thread III
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No because that one's a pretty obvious blanket statement.
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FTFYCovar said:NEWS
and no, not trolling, just opinionating, because the topic happens to be lupus!
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http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123841609048669495.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123841609048669495.html
Why the fuck is OBAMA outlining plans for car companies?!
I should hope not its a search result list.Krisken said:Covar, that doesn't say what he said.Covar said:
But seriously Its been pretty obvious the government was going to start telling GM, Chrysler what to do ever since they and Ford grabbed their ankles and asked Capitol Hill for help.
[EDIT] I retracted the quote smilies. Ford, GM, and Chrysler probably thought they would get help from Uncle Sam.
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JCM
Because car companies are taking billions that belong to the everyday american taxpayers, firing taxpayers by the truckload and giving huge billionare bonuses to incopetent CEOs?The Neon Grue said:
I´d also tell my sister what to do with her business if she asked me for a loan for her business, if she drove it to the ground, fucked things up and used a percentage of it for buying makeup and teen magazines.
GasBandit
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Because he's in charge of the Federal Government, which bought them (but called it a "bailout"). It's the same way that the federal government intimidates state government into enforcing things like 55mph highway speed limits, seat belt laws and the like by threatening to withhold federal highway money.The Neon Grue said:
Like I said back before Bailout 1... the best thing we could have done was let them go bankrupt.
Anyway, a week of 12 hour days has left me with a kind of "work hangover." I've got a couple links, but I'll still be pretty scarce.
Hillary Clinton leaves flowers for Our Lady of Guadalupe, asks ‘Who painted it?’
The NOAA found that changes in ocean temperatures are far more affected by atmospheric dust levels than global warming
It turns out that we have German Chancellor Angela Merkel to thank for killing an idea for a "global new deal."
George Will says that the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 is unconstitutional.
Who'dathunk that New York Times columnist Paul Krugman would turn out to be such a critic of the Obama administration's economic policies?
Thought that was an interesting article. Clearly, there's a line of how far Congress can go in giving the executive the power to shape Congresses laws. I did think it was funny that George Will doesn't actually give any reasons for TARP going over that line. Instead, he just calls it unconstitutional without backing that assertion up. *sigh*GasBandit said:
Anyone who read Krugman in the primaries? Seriously, the guy has never really liked Obama. Although the reason he doesn't like him is because Obama's policies are not leftist enough, which is probably not something you'd agree with, Gas
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Today's shaping up to be another rare one for me. Grumble grumble stupid start of the arbitron ratings period.
Apparently the New York Times "killed" a story that would have shown a close link between ACORN, Project Vote and the Obama campaign because it would have been a "a game changer" during the election. I'm shocked.
Congress is upset that they weren't consulted by Barack Obama about what to do with GM CEO Rick Wagoner.
The INS is losing some of its bite lately.
California wants to ban plasma televisions that use too much energy.
In case you didn't know ... Barack Obama believes that North Dakota is experiencing flooding right now because of global warming.
A British university is offering a master's degree in Facebook, MySpace and Twitter.
Apparently the New York Times "killed" a story that would have shown a close link between ACORN, Project Vote and the Obama campaign because it would have been a "a game changer" during the election. I'm shocked.
Congress is upset that they weren't consulted by Barack Obama about what to do with GM CEO Rick Wagoner.
The INS is losing some of its bite lately.
California wants to ban plasma televisions that use too much energy.
In case you didn't know ... Barack Obama believes that North Dakota is experiencing flooding right now because of global warming.
A British university is offering a master's degree in Facebook, MySpace and Twitter.
Obama declares that he's opposed to the bonus tax which Congress is pushing for. However, Wall Street has to change it's ways. At least HE among the Democrats has the sense to think things clearly.
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crono1224
You are about 3 hours to early, at least with my clock, and that made me sadFutureking said:
.lie lie lie... the full moon is rising over dark water and the fools
below are picking up sticks and the man in the gallows lies
permanently waiting for the doctors to come back and tend to him,
the flat earth society is meeting here today, singing happy little lies
and the bright ship humana is sent far away with grave
determination... and no destination, lie lie lie... yeah, nothing
feels better than a spray of clean water and the whistling wind on a
calm summer night but you'd better believe that down in their quarters
the men are holding on for their dear lives, the flat earth society is
somewhere far away, with their candlesticks and compasses and the
bright ship humana is well on its way with grave determination... and
no destination, lie lie lie,
below are picking up sticks and the man in the gallows lies
permanently waiting for the doctors to come back and tend to him,
the flat earth society is meeting here today, singing happy little lies
and the bright ship humana is sent far away with grave
determination... and no destination, lie lie lie... yeah, nothing
feels better than a spray of clean water and the whistling wind on a
calm summer night but you'd better believe that down in their quarters
the men are holding on for their dear lives, the flat earth society is
somewhere far away, with their candlesticks and compasses and the
bright ship humana is well on its way with grave determination... and
no destination, lie lie lie,
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JCM
ThisKrisken said:
Its like watching Fox and friends and their daily *we hate democrat X, so we'll misquote him to make us feel better about losing*
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Iaculus
Be fair - neither side is devoid of posturing and hyperbole. In fact, sometimes it almost seems like Dieb's the only constructive poster on here.
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Anubinomicon
yes, but were talking about outright lying on a regular basis and then removing articles from their site when it's pointed out by someone.Iaculus said:
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Iaculus
Were we? Thought JCM was commenting on the thread as a whole.Anubinomicon said:
Funny, I thought he and Krisken were both saying that. It's not information, it's infotainment.Iaculus said:
Drudge is classic for posting then removing content when it is wrong.
Daily kos goes overboard in their rhetoric and right-wing conspiracy assumptions.
There are very few sites that can be informative while still having an obvious bias.
-- Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:47 am --
don't tell me about the answer,
'cause then another one will come along soon,
I don't believe you have the answer,
I've got ideas too,
but if you've got enough naivite,
and you've got conviction,
then the answer is perfect for you
Penn Jillette on the economy and O's plan: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/01/jillette.skid/index.html
I love this guy so much. I like how he gives both sides when it's clear he's on one but acknowledges the potential that he may be wrong. Fun read either way.
I love this guy so much. I like how he gives both sides when it's clear he's on one but acknowledges the potential that he may be wrong. Fun read either way.
GasBandit
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Awww, now you're making me blush :redface:Iaculus said:
I also like Penn, he's a very funny guy. And he usually has interesting views of the issues. I have to disagree with this article, though. Sure, if you want to point to one cause for this whole mess, "too much debt" would be the best thing to point too. But the problem wasn't that the government had taken on too much debt, it was that corporations and ordinary people had. And there's kinda a big difference between government debt and everybody else's debt.
Oh, and then this: "He tells us that even though the government had control over the banks and did nothing to stop the bad that's going on, if we give them more control over more other bank-like things, then they can make sure bad stuff doesn't happen ever again." That's just plain wrong. The government didn't have control over the banks before this crisis. I would have thought even libertarians could tell the difference between (the quite frankly, light) regulation of banks and having control over them.
This is so irritating. The guy was so obviously guilty, the justice department had to go out of their way to dumb-fucker it up. I swear to christ, what's the point of trying to hold people accountable for their actions if you can't follow the proper procedures?GasBandit said:
Get it through your heads, morons. Crooked tactics to catch crooked politicians is not acceptable.
GasBandit
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I'm kinda surprised you didn't point out it was the *Bush* administration justice department that screwed the pooch here. Well, it was, at any rate.
So NOW bankruptcy is the best cure for GM. Sure glad we spent 25 billion to get to the conclusion many of us were espousing months ago. Of course, it's a "controlled" bankruptcy... read: "bankruptcy that still keeps the unions standing on their shoulders while they try to keep their head above water"
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says thathe doesn't know where Obama gained legal authority to oversee a restructuring of General Motors and Chrysler. The rest of the story is that Hoyer isn't protesting Obama's move .. he just doesn't know where the authority came from.
General Petraeus says that Israel may choose to attack Iran in order to prevent it from developing a nuclear bomb.
The Social Security system is bogged down with disability claims. It can take years to get a hearing. And we want these people in charge of our healthcare?
Well here's a real shocker .. the Treasury won't release details of the bank bailout.
Barney Frank's thrashing about a lot lately. Must be on the rag.
So NOW bankruptcy is the best cure for GM. Sure glad we spent 25 billion to get to the conclusion many of us were espousing months ago. Of course, it's a "controlled" bankruptcy... read: "bankruptcy that still keeps the unions standing on their shoulders while they try to keep their head above water"
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says thathe doesn't know where Obama gained legal authority to oversee a restructuring of General Motors and Chrysler. The rest of the story is that Hoyer isn't protesting Obama's move .. he just doesn't know where the authority came from.
General Petraeus says that Israel may choose to attack Iran in order to prevent it from developing a nuclear bomb.
The Social Security system is bogged down with disability claims. It can take years to get a hearing. And we want these people in charge of our healthcare?
Well here's a real shocker .. the Treasury won't release details of the bank bailout.
Barney Frank's thrashing about a lot lately. Must be on the rag.
To me, the Justice Department should be considered separate from the administration. While they certainly take direction from the White House, I can't fault Bush for the mistakes made by that department, any more than I could blame a mayor for a bumbling police department.
If I did, it would suggest, on purpose or accidentally, that Bush knew mistakes were being made.
I don't have a tin hat, you know!
If I did, it would suggest, on purpose or accidentally, that Bush knew mistakes were being made.
I don't have a tin hat, you know!
Weeeeellll.....in this specific case, I don't think Bush had anything to do with the bungling that went on. That would, indeed, require a tin foil hat. In the larger sense, however, the President does appoint the top officials at the Justice Department, and I think a case could be made that standards at Justice dropped under those officials due to who Bush appointed.Krisken said:
Hey....I have some a link of my own for once! So, I assume everyone has heard of the House Republicans budget plan? The one they released last week that was only 17 some pages long and included no charts or graphs and very few numbers? Well, apparently they aren't willing to give up the farce even after the beating they took, so they've been trying to add some actual details to the plan. They've been failing at that, as well.
For example, under their budget the top marginal tax rates would be cut from 35% to 25%. But people could still voluntarily pay the higher tax rate (because everyone LOVES paying more taxes than they have to) And, it turns out, they actually assume for debt purposes (although under the plan the US would still be 500 billion dollars in the hole for the forseeable future) that EVERYONE pays the higher tax rate. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/0 ... 81779.html). Why would anyone listen to these idiots?
Exactly! I really, really want a vialble alternative to the Dems. I probably come off as pretty liberal on this board, but at heart I'm a contrarian. Someone needs to argue with GasKrisken said:
But in reality, I'm pretty much a moderate. I probably would have voted for Reagan, for example (I can't say for sure because I wasn't alive for either of his elections, so it's not like I know the all the issues from back then, etc etc). But as it is, it seems the Republicans do at least two things a day that just make me howl with laughter. Here's the second one for today: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... more-46361Money quote: "'The Alaska Republican Party…believes that current Senator Mark Begich should resign his position to allow for a new, special election, so Alaskans may have the chance to vote for a senator without the improper influence of the corrupt Department of Justice,' the Alaska Republican Party's Web site states."
I mean....seriously? The "corrupt" Department of Justice? Even I wouldn't call the Department of Justice corrupt under Bush....to suggest that it was somehow corrupt against Republicans is, well, crazy. Someday sane Republicans will regain control of their party....I hope. Someday.
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By coincidence, Newt is saying that republicans could be seeing a mass defection to a 3rd party in 2012.
White house report says that government holding a gun to GM's head and forcing them to make "green" cars is one of the reasons they won't recover.
There is a little brouhaha right now in Georgia over proposed legislation that would require that new drivers take a written license test in English. Why should there be an argument over this? Aren't the traffic signs in English?
Congress balks at Obama's Cap and Trade proposal.
Guess who is still going to have his hand in government healthcare reform? Tom Daschle.
Afghanistan has legalized marital rape.
A federal judge has barred the district attorney of Wyoming County, Pa. from prosecuting three teen girls on felony child pornography charges for "sexting" nude photos of themselves. So there's still a teensy bit of sanity left in the system.
A family leaves Michigan every 12 minutes.
BEING SICK IS JESUS SPANKING YOU FOR BEING NAUGHTY LOL
BETTER GET SOME PRAYING DONE, SICKY
White house report says that government holding a gun to GM's head and forcing them to make "green" cars is one of the reasons they won't recover.
There is a little brouhaha right now in Georgia over proposed legislation that would require that new drivers take a written license test in English. Why should there be an argument over this? Aren't the traffic signs in English?
Congress balks at Obama's Cap and Trade proposal.
Guess who is still going to have his hand in government healthcare reform? Tom Daschle.
Afghanistan has legalized marital rape.
A federal judge has barred the district attorney of Wyoming County, Pa. from prosecuting three teen girls on felony child pornography charges for "sexting" nude photos of themselves. So there's still a teensy bit of sanity left in the system.
A family leaves Michigan every 12 minutes.
BEING SICK IS JESUS SPANKING YOU FOR BEING NAUGHTY LOL
BETTER GET SOME PRAYING DONE, SICKY
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