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GasBandit

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Fans of ObamaCare should keep a few things in mind:
This is precisely what happened in Britain. The state provides most health care, via the National Health Service. Patients have almost no say over which physician, surgeon or hospital they can use, while professionals have to conform to government plans and targets.

After its birth in 1948, planners soon found that \"free\" health care multiplied demand. NHS founder Lord Beveridge predicted free health care would cut spending as health improved.

The opposite was true. Between 1949 and 1979, it tripled in real terms. The service now costs twice as much as it did 10 years ago, with productivity down 4.5 percent.

One way government tries to limit demand is to decree which new drugs can be prescribed. Many drugs, widely available in America and continental Europe, are denied to British patients.

State mismanagement has also created waiting lines for hospitals, on average causing 8.6 weeks of waiting. Once inside, budgetary cutbacks on cleaning and maintenance mean higher rates of an antibiotic-resistant variety of staph infection. This \"superbug\" has turned even routine surgery into a lottery of death.
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs gets completely flustered when reporters want to know what the hell is up with the "town halls" being completely staged, with no questions other than those the administration plants.

There's lots of fun extra stuff in the Cap and Trade bill that has nothing to do with climate. There's also an entire section missing, notated only as "Reserved."

Would you like to know WHY Wal-Mart got in bed with the unions (who up until now have been after Wal-Mart's blood at every turn) on the government health care issue? No mystery. Read this.

Now watch this drive - how the media covers Barack Obama's golf trips compared to George Bush's.

Why do Democrats continue to insist that a government option for healthcare will "keep the private sector honest"? It won't keep anybody honest, least of all government itself.

A failing Hawaiian bank gets $135 million in bailout funds, only after Senator Inouye's office makes a call to the bank regulator. Oh by the way, Senator Inouye helped establish the bank and has most of his life savings invested in it.

Obama choose Arne Duncan as his Secretary of Education, who used to be Chief of Chicago government schools. Take a look at how those schools are thriving. Or not.

The government taxpayers will not continue to fund GM operations if the company doesn't get approval to sell its assets to a new company within the next 10 days.

Our favorite moonbat, Cynthia McKinney, was on a boat headed to Gaza when it was taken control by the Israeli navy. Needless to say, she wasn't too happy about it.

Make of this what you will, but more Americans now see the Democrat party as "too liberal."

If California has to close state parks because of budget cuts, the federal government is likely to seize some of them.
 
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Mr_Chaz

GasBandit said:
Fans of ObamaCare should keep a few things in mind:
This is precisely what happened in Britain. The state provides most health care, via the National Health Service. Patients have almost no say over which physician, surgeon or hospital they can use, while professionals have to conform to government plans and targets.

After its birth in 1948, planners soon found that \"free\" health care multiplied demand. NHS founder Lord Beveridge predicted free health care would cut spending as health improved.

The opposite was true. Between 1949 and 1979, it tripled in real terms. The service now costs twice as much as it did 10 years ago, with productivity down 4.5 percent.

One way government tries to limit demand is to decree which new drugs can be prescribed. Many drugs, widely available in America and continental Europe, are denied to British patients.

State mismanagement has also created waiting lines for hospitals, on average causing 8.6 weeks of waiting. Once inside, budgetary cutbacks on cleaning and maintenance mean higher rates of an antibiotic-resistant variety of staph infection. This \"superbug\" has turned even routine surgery into a lottery of death.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Brilliant! Love it. A perfect description of the health service that applies in absolutely no way at all to the actual health service. Way to slag off Obama's plan? Make up some sweeping generalisations about a vaguely similar system? Check!

That quote is comic gold.
 
GasBandit said:
Make of this what you will, but more Americans now see the Democrat party as \"too liberal.\"
I'd imagine more and more Americans see the Republican party as "too conservative" as well. This is a matter of the American people moving right or left, but of them moving towards the center. The problem is that right now, the only viable choices are going to the right or the left, as no one seems to be taking advantage of the decline in popularity of both parties to found a new center party. This is a prime time to drastically alter the American political system but it seems like nobody has the balls (or money) to try it.
 
AshburnerX said:
GasBandit said:
Make of this what you will, but more Americans now see the Democrat party as \"too liberal.\"
I'd imagine more and more Americans see the Republican party as "too conservative" as well. This is a matter of the American people moving right or left, but of them moving towards the center. The problem is that right now, the only viable choices are going to the right or the left, as no one seems to be taking advantage of the decline in popularity of both parties to found a new center party. This is a prime time to drastically alter the American political system but it seems like nobody has the balls (or money) to try it.
Damn straight. A moderate party would be great. The only time moderates are catered to is during election time when both sides need swing voters.
 
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Twitch

Most moderates have different views on different issues. That's why they're moderate, you can't really unify them well.
 
There are still conservative and liberal moderates, so a "moderate party" can't really happen without catering to one or the other, which defeats the purpose.
 
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Iaculus

Espy said:
There are still conservative and liberal moderates, so a "moderate party" can't really happen without catering to one or the other, which defeats the purpose.
In the same way as you can't have, say, neocons, libertarians, and Christian fundamentalists in the same party?
 
Iaculus said:
Espy said:
There are still conservative and liberal moderates, so a "moderate party" can't really happen without catering to one or the other, which defeats the purpose.
In the same way as you can't have, say, neocons, libertarians, and Christian fundamentalists in the same party?
No, in the way that you can't have a "moderate party" with "moderate" views on abortion, gay rights, etc. There isn't a ton of grey area. It would simply be a slightly more moderate democrat party. Which is fine. Go for it if you want to split your vote. The "big" issues (I'm not saying they should be, but they are) are divisive.
 
Espy said:
Iaculus said:
Espy said:
There are still conservative and liberal moderates, so a "moderate party" can't really happen without catering to one or the other, which defeats the purpose.
In the same way as you can't have, say, neocons, libertarians, and Christian fundamentalists in the same party?
No, in the way that you can't have a "moderate party" with "moderate" views on abortion, gay rights, etc. There isn't a ton of grey area. It would simply be a slightly more moderate democrat party. Which is fine. Go for it if you want to split your vote. The "big" issues (I'm not saying they should be, but they are) are divisive.
This doesn't have to be. Especially among "moderates". If someone is moderate, they aren't so hard line on the "big" issues.

Sorry, I think you're wrong here, Espy.
 
Look, I agree, that there maybe room for a moderate party. But even moderates have to draw lines. I stand by what I said. There is VERY little grey room on the major social issues and thats what many people vote on.
A moderate party won't get either base of the other parties, and they will simply split the vote of the party they are more closely aligned to, which in my experience of meeting "moderates" is just slightly kinder democrat ideals.
 
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Scarlet Varlet

Just posted a thread on this.

This is horrible news.

I'm completely devestated - Now she will constantly be in the news. :waah:

Honestly, the Republican Party has to look beyond such daftie as her. :facepalm:
 
Whoa, hadn't heard about that yet.

Also, if she actually runs for presidential nominee...Good lord. What has this world come to? Please please please don't let her ever actually become anything of a serious condidate, even for the party nomination.
 
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Scarlet Varlet

Maybe she'll spend the two years on an Associate Degree in US History.
 
A Troll said:
Krisken said:
[quote="Scarlet Varlet":2pevqm8a]Maybe she'll spend the two years on an Associate Degree in US History.
Some world geography might be good too.
Books are for filthy liberals. Aside from the Bible, of course.[/quote:2pevqm8a]
Oh, you mean non-fiction is for liberals?
 
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Armadillo

Krisken said:
Racist remarks are hurting the GOP. Only a few paragraphs in so far, but it's an interesting commentary so far on how the internet is making saying or doing racist things more difficult for the political careers of GOP'ers.
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.

As for the linked article:

 
Armadillo said:
Krisken said:
Racist remarks are hurting the GOP. Only a few paragraphs in so far, but it's an interesting commentary so far on how the internet is making saying or doing racist things more difficult for the political careers of GOP'ers.
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.

As for the linked article:

Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?

Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.

this might be a better resource for you.
 
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Armadillo

Krisken said:
Armadillo said:
Krisken said:
Racist remarks are hurting the GOP. Only a few paragraphs in so far, but it's an interesting commentary so far on how the internet is making saying or doing racist things more difficult for the political careers of GOP'ers.
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.

As for the linked article:

Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?

Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.

My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
 
Armadillo said:
Krisken said:
Armadillo said:
Krisken said:
Racist remarks are hurting the GOP. Only a few paragraphs in so far, but it's an interesting commentary so far on how the internet is making saying or doing racist things more difficult for the political careers of GOP'ers.
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.

As for the linked article:

Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?

Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.

My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
My response was more to the first statement you made. I try very hard to avoid the "Well, George Bush did it, so Obama doing it less bad isn't so bad" type of argument, and it seemed as though that was where you were going.
 
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Armadillo

Krisken said:
Armadillo said:
Krisken said:
Armadillo said:
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.

As for the linked article:

Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?

Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.

My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
My response was more to the first statement you made. I try very hard to avoid the "Well, George Bush did it, so Obama doing it less bad isn't so bad" type of argument, and it seemed as though that was where you were going.
Now that I re-read what I typed, I can see where you'd get that sentiment. Rest assured, I am not defending this woman in any way, shape or form.
 

GasBandit

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Alright, I gotta squeeze out a couple here and then I have to go to the dentist.

Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.

From Daniel Henniger at The Wall Street Journal: "The Dumbing Down of Democracy."

One white person makes a derogatory remark about a minority? Hate crime! STRING EM UP! 50 black teenagers jump and beat a white family screaming "This is our world! This is a black world!" and... not a hate crime. Remember, only white people can be racists.

When it comes to healthcare, Barack Obama is dead set on bringing the federal cost down to $1 trillion. What he doesn't tell you is that he will do this by shifting the cost burden from the federal government to state governments. And yesterday the White House announced a plan for hospitals to "give up" $155 billion in future Medicare and Medicaid payments in order to offset the cost of Obama's healthcare plans.

Wow .. I can't believe this came out of the Associated Press: Obama's tax promises were unrealistic. Gee, what was your first clue? Guess the shine is really starting to come off.

The Democrats are trying to figure out how to pass a second stimulus ... this one would supposedly be a package aimed at creating jobs. Wait, wasn't that what the first stimulus package was supposed to do? Oh well.

What the chief economic strategist at Morgan Stanley has to say about our economic "train wreck."

While most Americans can probably tell you every celebrity that attended Michael Jackson's memorial, I'm sure that few can tell you what Barack Obama pledged to do the other day in Russia.

Here's an exchange between the Assistant Attorney General and John McCain over the supposed Constitutional rights of terrorists.

Steny Hoyer laughs (LAUGHS!) at you for thinking anybody's going to READ this health care bill! Posh and tosh! Piffle and Tiffle! Monocle pop!

The Pentagon has denied a request from a local Idaho festival for an Air Force flyover because the event is too focused on Christianity. The kicker ... the Air Force has been doing flyovers at this same event for 42 years, but suddenly it has a problem with it.

Along the Gaza beach, a man was detained, beaten and ordered to sign a statement promising not to engage in immoral activities. Why? Because he was walking along the beach with a young woman, and Hamas' Islamic law says DAS IST NICHT AUSGESEICHNET!!!

I guess this is the down side of a loser pays system.

-- Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:53 am --

Oh, and where have I heard this talking point before? "When you want the president to fail, you're rooting against the country!" Was that a republican defending Bush? No. Remember folks, there's no difference between republicans and democrats... there's only economic statists and social statists. They play out of the same playbook and have the same ultimate goals - unchallenged federal governmental control.
 
GasBandit said:
Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.
I wouldn't tolerate this from Republicans, so I'm DEFINITELY not going to tolerate it from the people who should fucking know better.

GasBandit said:
One white person makes a derogatory remark about a minority? Hate crime! STRING EM UP! 50 black teenagers jump and beat a white family screaming \"This is our world! This is a black world!\" and... not a hate crime. Remember, only white people can be racists.
As a member of the Buckeye State myself, I can honestly say that I'm not surprised. I live about 10-15 minutes out of Columbus and this whole area has gone to shit over the last 10-12 years. Racial tensions are at their breaking point because of the huge number of immigrants that keep moving in by the thousands each year (not just from Mexico ether... we have Ukrainians, Chinese, Somalians, and lots of folks from the Middle East.) I can remember a time when I was young when I could sit outside in the middle of the night and not have to worry about anything... now its a good day when I don't hear gunshots.

GasBandit said:
While most Americans can probably tell you every celebrity that attended Michael Jackson's memorial, I'm sure that few can tell you what Barack Obama pledged to do the other day in Russia.
I'm sorry, but I can't take an article serious when in the FIRST SENTENCE they call Obama a "Looney Tunes President". I also find it hilarious that a European news agency is actually criticizing the US for not intervening enough in their affairs. So it's okay for us to save their asses by potentially giving them a Missile Defense system, but it's not okay for us to pro-actively assert ourselves to prevent conflicts? Also... just who the fuck do these people think they are to even pretend to tell us what to do with our nuclear stockpile?

GasBandit said:
Here's an exchange between the Assistant Attorney General and John McCain over the supposed Constitutional rights of terrorists.
If we captured them on US soil or inside US territorial waters, then I could see somebody possibly making an argument that these people have rights under the US Constitution (and if they are citizens of the US, the should get them without question). However, this would mainly apply to people rotting in Guantanamo. Anybody captured abroad (who isn't a US citizen) should go to Military Tribunal. You don't get the rights of an American until you step foot inside America.

GasBandit said:
The Pentagon has denied a request from a local Idaho festival for an Air Force flyover because the event is too focused on Christianity. The kicker ... the Air Force has been doing flyovers at this same event for 42 years, but suddenly it has a problem with it.
Here's the question you should be asking yourself before you complain about it: If this had been a Jewish or Muslim festival, would the US government have even considered doing a fly-over for them 42 years ago? Oh, and this...

 
GasBandit said:
Alright, I gotta squeeze out a couple here and then I have to go to the dentist.

Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.
Is there information on this that isn't in the Opinion section? Right now, considering this is the WSJ (owned and operated by the same guy that runs Fox News, for crying out loud), I'm not taking opinion articles as fact. Especially considering how wonderfully accurate they've been in the past. [/snark]

Also,this letter by 6 Democratic members of the House Intelligence Committee was sent to Leon Panetta, Director of the CIA. In it they state that what he said didn't mesh with what he told them behind closed doors in regards to misleading members of Congress. Keep in mind that the letter is dated the 26th of June and was leaked 2 days ago.


GasBandit said:
One white person makes a derogatory remark about a minority? Hate crime! STRING EM UP! 50 black teenagers jump and beat a white family screaming \"This is our world! This is a black world!\" and... not a hate crime. Remember, only white people can be racists.
A hate crime is a hate crime, no matter who does it. Not accepting this only hurts the furthering of improved race relations and causes bitterness.

GasBandit said:
The Democrats are trying to figure out how to pass a second stimulus ... this one would supposedly be a package aimed at creating jobs. Wait, wasn't that what the first stimulus package was supposed to do? Oh well.
Wait, it wasn't enough? No shit? Maybe because the first stimulus was catered to Republicans who wanted 1/2 of it to be fucking tax cuts? I would like to use my one "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" card.

GasBandit said:
While most Americans can probably tell you every celebrity that attended Michael Jackson's memorial, I'm sure that few can tell you what Barack Obama pledged to do the other day in Russia.
He agreed to reduce nuclear arms. So what?


GasBandit said:
Oh, and where have I heard this talking point before? \"When you want the president to fail, you're rooting against the country!\" Was that a republican defending Bush? No. Remember folks, there's no difference between republicans and democrats... there's only economic statists and social statists. They play out of the same playbook and have the same ultimate goals - unchallenged federal governmental control.
To help you with that "no difference" spiel and even out the post a little bit from crazy right land, here's one fun thing you missed-

The state of Massachusetts sued the U.S. government over a federal law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
 
GasBandit said:
White person makes a derogatory remark about a minority? Hate crime! STRING EM UP! 50 black teenagers jump and beat a white family screaming \"This is our world! This is a black world!\" and... not a hate crime. Remember, only white people can be racists.aimed at creating jobs. Wait, wasn't that what the first stimulus package was supposed to do? Oh well.
Wait, a mob of 50 black teenagers suddenly appears out of nowhere, attacks a family for no reason, and then disappears with no other witnesses? And no one else was attacked? And no one was critically injured? And the mob was shouting ridiculously over-the-top lines about racial superiority?

Sounds like a major load of bullshit to me. Even if I were to accept that something like this happened, something else is missing from this story.
 
Krisken said:
GasBandit said:
Alright, I gotta squeeze out a couple here and then I have to go to the dentist.

Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.
Is there information on this that isn't in the Opinion section? Right now, considering this is the WSJ (owned and operated by the same guy that runs Fox News, for crying out loud), I'm not taking opinion articles as fact. Especially considering how wonderfully accurate they've been in the past. [/snark]

Also,this letter by 6 Democratic members of the House Intelligence Committee was sent to Leon Panetta, Director of the CIA. In it they state that what he said didn't mesh with what he told them behind closed doors in regards to misleading members of Congress. Keep in mind that the letter is dated the 26th of June and was leaked 2 days ago.
This whole thing stinks and hopefully we find out whats going on, for some reason I doubt it though. The quote from the director stated that it was not their policy to mislead congress, not that it didn't happen. The letter talks about the Director stating that there were people in the CIA misleading Congress. Just because people did it doesn't mean it was their policy. Neither of these talk about whether Pelosi is telling the truth or not and whether or not the CIA misled her. It seems like they are trying to deflect the issue. The only thing that will prove that is the actual briefing they received.
 
Shakey said:
Krisken said:
GasBandit said:
Alright, I gotta squeeze out a couple here and then I have to go to the dentist.

Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.
Is there information on this that isn't in the Opinion section? Right now, considering this is the WSJ (owned and operated by the same guy that runs Fox News, for crying out loud), I'm not taking opinion articles as fact. Especially considering how wonderfully accurate they've been in the past. [/snark]

Also,this letter by 6 Democratic members of the House Intelligence Committee was sent to Leon Panetta, Director of the CIA. In it they state that what he said didn't mesh with what he told them behind closed doors in regards to misleading members of Congress. Keep in mind that the letter is dated the 26th of June and was leaked 2 days ago.
This whole thing stinks and hopefully we find out whats going on, for some reason I doubt it though. The quote from the director stated that it was not their policy to mislead congress, not that it didn't happen. The letter talks about the Director stating that there were people in the CIA misleading Congress. Just because people did it doesn't mean it was their policy. Neither of these talk about whether Pelosi is telling the truth or not and whether or not the CIA misled her. It seems like they are trying to deflect the issue. The only thing that will prove that is the actual briefing they received.
Agreed.

I wish the White House would stop trying to prevent the briefings from being made public. I understand why they are taking that position (since no White House administration has agreed to relinquish power), but that doesn't make it right. No matter who is lying, I'd like those who are lying to be held responsible for their actions.
 
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Mr_Chaz

AshburnerX said:
GasBandit said:
Remember the brouhaha with Nancy Pelosi lying to Congress about al Queda interrogation briefings? Well it seems that her fellow Democrats are lining up to protect the information from public disclosure.
I wouldn't tolerate this from Republicans, so I'm DEFINITELY not going to tolerate it from the people who should fucking know better.

GasBandit said:
One white person makes a derogatory remark about a minority? Hate crime! STRING EM UP! 50 black teenagers jump and beat a white family screaming \"This is our world! This is a black world!\" and... not a hate crime. Remember, only white people can be racists.
As a member of the Buckeye State myself, I can honestly say that I'm not surprised. I live about 10-15 minutes out of Columbus and this whole area has gone to shit over the last 10-12 years. Racial tensions are at their breaking point because of the huge number of immigrants that keep moving in by the thousands each year (not just from Mexico ether... we have Ukrainians, Chinese, Somalians, and lots of folks from the Middle East.) I can remember a time when I was young when I could sit outside in the middle of the night and not have to worry about anything... now its a good day when I don't hear gunshots.
GasBandit said:
While most Americans can probably tell you every celebrity that attended Michael Jackson's memorial, I'm sure that few can tell you what Barack Obama pledged to do the other day in Russia.
I'm sorry, but I can't take an article serious when in the FIRST SENTENCE they call Obama a "Looney Tunes President". I also find it hilarious that a European news agency is actually criticizing the US for not intervening enough in their affairs. So it's okay for us to save their asses by potentially giving them a Missile Defense system, but it's not okay for us to pro-actively assert ourselves to prevent conflicts? Also... just who the fuck do these people think they are to even pretend to tell us what to do with our nuclear stockpile?

Don't worry, use Europeans don't take it seriously either. That guy is just nuts.


Oh, and this...
who the fuck do these people think they are to even pretend to tell us what to do with our nuclear stockpile?
We're the innocent victims of any world destroying nuclear war :p
 
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