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I mean full price 60 dollaresque game too not some lowly ass 2 dollar indie title that happens to be terrible.

Right now, for me, I'm probably going to have to go with Dragon Age 2 but the more I think about it, the more I'll probably end up with some of the complete trash I got suckered into buying during the Playstation era when I was working and could buy my own games.

Modern Warfare 2. People kept raving about it and so forth. Finally caved and got it. It was just yet another bland shooter. I had more fun with Counter Strike.

If DA2 and MW2 are the *worst* you've bought, you guys have a pretty awesome collection.

I'm going to have to go with the old MMO "Horizons". Had great promise, playable dragons, cool crafting system, expect it was laggy and buggy to hell.

I don't buy a lot of games but when I do it's usually can't miss titles.

I could see how many people would post Dragon Age 2 though.

Thank god I was too hyped up and actually played the demo and was like " is this?"

I'd probably go with Resident Evil 5... not a full 60$ but my friend convinced me to play the coop at 30$. I immediately regretted my decision an hour into the game.

PC version of Resident Evil 4. To say it's a shitty console port is an insult to fecal matter everywhere.

Hmmm, not "worst game", because I'm sure it's a great game, but just "game I liked the least", probably Fallout: New Vegas. I don't know why, but I've tried playing all of the Fallout (I even have tactics on GOG), and I've never gotten into any one of them. The post-apocalyptic setting doesn't work for me or something; I'll just keep playing fantasy...

I could list a whole bunch that I got on the steam sales, but as far as full retail suckage, I'd have to say Dawn of War 2. I was expecting an RTS but got capture the flag with a few units.

Modern Warfare 3. MP was horrible.

For game purchased for me, SWTOR.

Champions Online.

I almost never buy a game without "testing" it first...

But if i'd have to go with one it would be Black&White... it wasn't bad, but in classic Molineaux style it only did half the stuff advertised...

HoMM4 was also bugged to hell for months after i bought it, but i liked it enough to reload over and over after each crash (with the sound off it would only crash after very big battles, and i used auto-combat after the crash), so def not the worst...

I guess I have to add Spore to the list too.

RE4 - Game interested me somewhat due to critical acclaim but not enough for early purchase. Patiently checked reviews and saw the shit port issues a mile away then dismissed the game altogether.

Fallout : New Vegas - Loved Fallout... so this game should be as good, right? Welp, buggy release. Worse than usual QA from Bethesda. Still nothing comparable to the rest of the list. Community mods made this game awesome though.

Modern Warfare 3 - I expected trash. Was trash. Friends tried to convince me to play, said nope. Watching a few minute of MP of run and gun deathmatch makes me sad... especially when thinking of the good ol' days with Enemy Territory or RTCW.

Champions Online - Expected MMO trash, was MMO trash. Lots of MMO trash out there. Remember Age of Conan?

Spore - Was unsure, waited for reviews... noticed that it smelled funny. Got a "free test version"... yep, crappy game with few bright spots.

Adam said:

I guess I have to add Spore to the list too.

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Ouch, thanks for bring that up, I'd almost forgot. I'll add that to mine as well.

D&D Blood and Magic

It was an RTS, but was not advertised as such. I was hoping for a hack and slash game and got a steaming CD of crap.

Oh, yeah, throw in Spore for me as well. Thank god I got the DRM-free version, but even so...

I'll also add Fallout: New Vegas to my list. Got it for PS3, bugs made it frustratingly unplayable. I'd never had a console game that I can remember just randomly lock up on me before that game.

The Sims Medieval. Was itching for a Sims fix and bought it on an impulse. Was fun for a little while but definitely not worth the whole retail price I paid, especially since the price dropped on Steam just weeks after I bought it in the store, and the retail copy doesn't even give me the option for Steam activation.

.hack//Outbreak. Not because it's a bad game. Hell, I don't have a clue if it's bad or not. I bought this the same time I bought //Mutation, thinking I'd move on once I beat Mutation (It's a 4-game trilogy that lets you transfer your character data to the next game after you beat the last. Basically one big multi-disk RPG where they sold you the game disks seperately). Never beat Mutation, so paid the extra $50 for a game I never touched.

Mass Effect 3- bought the Collectors Edition for 70€ (85$) just to find out that the DLC is totaly moot.

Warhammer Online- European servers where terribly skewed. 90% were on the Chaos side and after 2 months everybody stopped playing.

LordRendar said:

Mass Effect 3- bought the Collectors Edition for 70€ (85$) just to find out that the DLC is totaly moot.

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That sentence makes no sense.

Bowielee said:

That sentence makes no sense.

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Did I use a wrong word? I tried to imply that the DLC (the one where you get the extra crewmember) that you get with the collectors edition dosnt have any impact on the story other then add a few cutscenes ,which are without importance.

LordRendar said:

Did I use a wrong word? I tried to imply that the DLC (the one where you get the extra crewmember) that you get with the collectors edition dosnt have any impact on the story other then add a few cutscenes ,which are without importance.

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Moot means debatable, so yeah, it was just the wrong choice of word.

I'll second Black&White. All the reviews praised the game's replay factor, and the thing was the most boring game ever after about 5 minutes.

Definition of MOOT

1
: a deliberative assembly primarily for the administration of justice; especially : one held by the freemen of an Anglo-Saxon community
2
obsolete : argument, discussion

I give him points for using moot instead of mute.

So, then...the first definition of moot is now moot?

Adam , it was the proper inference, just used in the wrong context.

It's debatably the right word. If there's no reason to have DLC, DLC is moot. It's awkward but valid.

Discussing it may be moot, but the DLC itself isn't moot.

SeraRelm said:

Discussing it may be moot, but the DLC itself isn't moot.

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moot

1.
open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2.
of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3.
Chiefly Law . not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.

Take it up with Merriam Webster, buddy.

I rarely purchase games that I'm not 100% about. Pretty much never to be honest. The only two games I've regretted buying were:

Demigod - Terribad release. Stardock may be my absolute favorite developer, so I assumed demigod would be amazing. It was....ok. Turns out stardock didn't develop it, just published it.

WoW - I had a lot of fun with this game, I'm not going to lie, but when I saw what happened with the first major expansion I realized how terrible the mudflation would go, and then saw how they started homogonizing everything in a policy of appeasement (that's right, I went there). So, while it was fun, the amount of time I invested in it, only to see everything start going down an unsustainable path made me pretty furious. It was like hiking to the top of a mountain for the beautiful vista, only to find a McDonalds and a Super Walmart there.

SeraRelm said:

Take it up with Merriam Webster, buddy.

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Merriam Webster.com

moot

adj \ˈmüt\
1
a : open to question : debatable b : subjected to discussion : disputed
2
: deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic

You posted the noun. It was used as an adjective.

I saw that, but

Adam said:

Merriam Webster.com

moot

adj \ˈmüt\
1
a : open to question : debatable b : subjected to discussion : disputed
2
: deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic

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The physical existence of the DLC continues. Should they delete it from sales, it would be moot.


Like your reply above.

But it has no practical significance because it's not adding anything of value.

Like my reply above, hah!

If I payed for this grammar game I would put it on the list as well.

Value isn't under debate, practical significance may be. Like I said, if they suddenly gave the content away for free ( ) or it disappeared from existence, it would be moot.

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If I payed for this grammar game I would put it on the list as well.

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You're just fortunate you get Sera and Adam for free. FOR FREE.

Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me a buck o' five.

And if we don't all chip in. We'll never pay that bill. Freedom isn't free. No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.

But is freedom moot?

1 point from House SeraRelm
Moot speech.

Adam said:

1 point from House SeraRelm
Moot speech.

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You're doing it wrong.

SeraRelm said:

You're doing it wrong.

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It's a moot point...?

No, the statement from which these actions derive still stands, unless someone deleted it.

Straight to imgur that goes.

Back on topic

I actually own a game that I consider "So bad it's good." It's called Future Tactics, and playing it was the most fun I've had with a PS2 game because it was mind-mindbogglingly awful in all the right ways.

Its plot managed to be both incomprehensible and cliche at the same time. Its gameplay mechanics were fundamentally broken and easily exploitable when combined with the idiotic enemy AI. Dialogue that wasn't cringe-worthy was more the exception than the rule.

But there wasn't a single thing about the game that was frustrating, unfair, or made playing it not fun.

I played through it twice. It was awesome.

OK... getting back to the original topic:

Spore - That game had so much hype, and delivered such a steaming pile of crap. Or, you know, giant dick monsters.

Fable 3 for PC - I have no idea how the console version of the game is. I've wasted enough money that I'm never going to attempt to find out. The PC port is absolutely terrible. Apparently, and I'm guessing here, in the console version there are points when you have to hold a button down until "just the right moment" before releasing the button for an awesome effect. In the PC port, this just means holding the keyboard button down for a set amount of time, and it's always the same amount of time, for whatever action you're attempting to perform. Movement is horrible, pathing is horrible, performing actions is horrible (you have to hold buttons down for 2 - 3 seconds before the game will acknowledge that you've pressed them), it's one of the shittiest ports I've ever seen.

Shadowrun for the 360 - I don't think I ever even made it out of the tutorial. They managed to break the one inviolable rule from cannon before you even made it out of the tutorial (no teleportation). On the plus side, the game wasn't any fun and the gameplay was horrific.

GTA4 for the 360 - I loved Vice City. I thoroughly enjoyed San Andreas. GTA 4 just sucked. It's like they said "man, people love driving fast and completing all of these little side quests, and getting credit for awesome jumps... we should really put a stop to that."

Whichever Final Fantasy came after X but wasn't an MMO - Just, just no.

Suikoden 3, or maybe 4 - The first two were awesome, for what they were. The third (or maybe 4th, it's been a really long while) removed most of the fun elements.

I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of any right now. There's probably a Heroes of Might and Magic or two in there that I really hated. Maybe a Settlers game.

Yeah,GTA4 was pretty bad.It was such a giant leap backwards after San Andreas.Promptly traded it for Saintsrow 2.

I loved GTA 4....

I fucking HATEd San Andreas though.

Diablo 3 is slowly sneaking up there on my list unfortunately.

If I bought it, it'd be on my list.

Yeah, the only reason D3 isn't on my list is because I didn't pay for it.

Lost and the Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony Liberty City Stories were fucking awesome. Way better than regular GTA4, but I guess they weren't that popular. It bums me out that so many people had so many issues with New Vegas since it was a better game underneath the bugs than Fallout 3.

Jay said:

I loved GTA 4....

I fucking HATEd San Andreas though.

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What did you hate about San Andreas? That game was awsome.Freaking huge map,interesting quests and characters.

Necronic said:

I rarely purchase games that I'm not 100% about. Pretty much never to be honest. The only two games I've regretted buying were:

Demigod - Terribad release. Stardock may be my absolute favorite developer, so I assumed demigod would be amazing. It was....ok. Turns out stardock didn't develop it, just published it.

WoW - I had a lot of fun with this game, I'm not going to lie, but when I saw what happened with the first major expansion I realized how terrible the mudflation would go, and then saw how they started homogonizing everything in a policy of appeasement (that's right, I went there). So, while it was fun, the amount of time I invested in it, only to see everything start going down an unsustainable path made me pretty furious. It was like hiking to the top of a mountain for the beautiful vista, only to find a McDonalds and a Super Walmart there.

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The only thing that was regrettable about Demigod was the buggy release and the fact that people didn't realize what an awesome game it was.

As for WoW, one of the worst games? Really? That's hyperbolic at best.

LordRendar said:

What did you hate about San Andreas? That game was awsome.Freaking huge map,interesting quests and characters.

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There were some cool things about the game (working out, getting fat, customization, girlfriend, skills)... but the storyline was basically... as non-racist as possible, "YO,YO,YO,YO, Ni^$#@" stereotype bullshit that in my honest opinion, just turned me off.

It's just my opinion.

It just wasn't for me... and a huge letdown from Vice City... which I LOOOVED.

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There were some cool things about the game (working out, getting fat, customization, girlfriend, skills)... but the storyline was basically... as non-racist as possible, "YO,YO,YO,YO, Ni^$#@" stereotype bullshit that in my honest opinion, just turned me off.

It's just my opinion.

It just wasn't for me... and a huge letdown from Vice City... which I LOOOVED.

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Good, I'm not the only one who found SA racist as hell.

Masters of Orion 3.

/drops mic

Isn't every GTA game just a parade of racist stereotypes?

Yes... but San Andreas was for me at least, beyond acceptable levels and hearing 20+ hours in my ears people talking the way they did was beyond my tolerance.

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Yes... but San Andreas was for me at least, beyond acceptable levels and hearing 20+ hours in my ears people talking the way they did was beyond my tolerance.

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Da fuq did i just watch?

I keep waiting for something to happen and all I see is impotent rage.
Is this a metaphor for this forum? then you postet this in the wrong thread.

Worst game I bought was probably... I don't remember the exact name but it was a WWF wrestling title for the dreamcast back around 2000-2001 or so. It was so bad I microwaved the disk then threw it as hard as I could against the wall, causing it to shatter.

Worst game I played, though, was probably Necrovision.

Also, I liked Demigod more than I later liked LoL. Why? LAN, better bots, greater variety of levels mostly. The "new" mode in LoL was basically trying to copy what demigod did right.

Way back in the Nintendo era, everyone was all about Mario and Zelda. My parents took a young, naive Adam to a computer store and told him, as a birthday present, he could pick out one NES game. This store didn't have Mario and Zelda, and the old guy behind the counter pushed this strange non-Mario, non-Zelda game on me saying it was very popular. So, I took it home and played it and found it quite good. However, in comparison to the flagship Nintendo franchises I always felt that I was ripped off.

That game: Little Nemo, The Dream Master. Damn hell if that game wasn't awesome.

Bowielee said:

As for WoW, one of the worst games? Really? That's hyperbolic at best.

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Well, WoW gets judged on a different standard because you put a LOT more money into it. Like, 60$ upfront and then another 180$ a year. So, since I'm paying so much more for it, I judge it a lot more harshly. And when the first xpac came out I was like "oh wow ok well there's a TON of money down the drain."

Also I'm going to add Mass Effect to that. I know everyone else loved it, but I quickly realized that it wasn't a very good FPS. And it really wasn't a good sandbox RPG (like Bethesda games). And after playing like 10 hours of it I realized that you were pretty much required to have a high def TV to use the in game menu......and I never played it again. I don't even know where it is.

Little Nemo was rad as hell, Capcom was a bastion of quality in the NES era.

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Well, WoW gets judged on a different standard because you put a LOT more money into it. Like, 60$ upfront and then another 180$ a year. So, since I'm paying so much more for it, I judge it a lot more harshly. And when the first xpac came out I was like "oh wow ok well there's a TON of money down the drain."

Also I'm going to add Mass Effect to that. I know everyone else loved it, but I quickly realized that it wasn't a very good FPS. And it really wasn't a good sandbox RPG (like Bethesda games). And after playing like 10 hours of it I realized that you were pretty much required to have a high def TV to use the in game menu......and I never played it again. I don't even know where it is.

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If WoW and Mass Effect are the worst games you've ever purchased you've lived a charmed life.

Dude, you turn into a gecko and eat bubble gum while the animal makes that awesome "meep" sound.

Maybe the best game ever.

Edit: You have to understand, I don't buy many games at ALL. I thoroughly research a game before I purchase it (or I simply trust the developer intrinsically.) I never care about being the first to play it.

I am a king and I let the plebs taste my food for poison. The only thing is that their inadequate pallettes can't identify subtle design flaws (like those in ME or WoW) that drive me nuts, but don't bother most people. Like the princess and the pea.

Basically I am royalty so BOW DOWN. Or get the Kinglayer.

Frank said:

Little Nemo was rad as hell, Capcom was a bastion of quality in the NES era.

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No doubt. Even the games that should have been fail were amazing. Chip and Dales Rescue Rangers and DuckTales being two examples of games that were far superior for their licensing.

There was also that awesome ninja game where you would jump around through the trees and then get THE SQUIRREL OF POWER or something like that and the game would become all hardcore techno and the screen would flash.

I have no idea what it was called but it was pretty boss.

Oh yeah and I really should add HOMM4/5 to that list. They were both terrible but I only have myself to blame for buying them.

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Pretty much this but having headphones on and having to dodge cars.

No thanks.

Final Fantasy XIII. Without a doubt.

Necronic said:

Dude, you turn into a gecko and eat bubble gum while the animal makes that awesome "meep" sound.

Maybe the best game ever.

Edit: You have to understand, I don't buy many games at ALL. I thoroughly research a game before I purchase it (or I simply trust the developer intrinsically.) I never care about being the first to play it.

I am a king and I let the plebs taste my food for poison. The only thing is that their inadequate pallettes can't identify subtle design flaws (like those in ME or WoW) that drive me nuts, but don't bother most people. Like the princess and the pea.

Basically I am royalty so BOW DOWN. Or get the Kinglayer.

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Yeah, judging by your love of EVE and your berating of people who don't like the bullshit punitive crap in the harder modes of Diablo, no.

BananaHands said:

Final Fantasy XIII. Without a doubt.

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Dude.... why? Why did you buy that shit?

Jay said:

Dude.... why? Why did you buy that shit?

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There was a young BananaHands in my heart that remembered the nights playing Final Fantasy 7, 8 and 9.

He is now dead because of that game.

7-8-9?

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Yeah, judging by your love of EVE and your berating of people who don't like the bullshit punitive crap in the harder modes of Diablo, no.

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Actually I'm not playing EvE right now. It's gotten a bit "meh". Basically the guys I fly with have created the EvE version of OPEC (called OTEC), where they (and a couple other organizations) own all sources of the most valuable resource in game and have created a cartel that other people are completely unable to break into. If I understand the situation correctly now, we've (they really) basically "beaten" EvE.

I don't know what you mean about the punitive crap in the harder modes of Diablo. There's nothing punitive. It's just hard. I guess I like difficult games. Maybe once you get tired of playing Bella Sera or Hello Kitty Island Adventure you'll enjoy playing a man's game.

I don't see how I berate people though.

BananaHands said:

Final Fantasy XIII. Without a doubt.

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Oh my god, is that the one where you have to "Junction" your "Potential"?

I gave that one like 20 minutes and couldn't figure it out, but me and my buddies kept using the phrase "You have to Junction your Potential!" as an answer to all sorts of questions.

I don't know what you mean about the punitive crap in the harder modes of Diablo. There's nothing punitive. It's just hard. I guess I like difficult games. Maybe once you get tired of playing Bella Sera or Hello Kitty Island Adventure you'll enjoy playing a man's game.

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Let's see, being derisive of someone's gaming style because they don't like games to be as hard as the games you like, then throwing some names around which revolve around children's themes (and most especially little girls' themes) and telling them that maybe once they're done with those games they'll play a "man's game."

I don't see how I berate people though.

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dafuq?

Oh wow man, no wonder you don't like difficult games.

I think Gared fell into the Sar Chasm

He may need to junction his potential.

And if I may rerail this for a bit, the worst game I ever bought was one that tried to have space combat, ground combat, trading, etc. long before Eve (like back in the 90's or very early 2000's). Planets were completely flat and empty, there were no enemies in space, and once I anded on a planet, I couldn't figure out how to get back up into space even with the manual. I don't remember the name of it either.

Hm, worst game I've ever bought. Wolverine on the Nintendo.

I guess WoW would count now.

Some high class games on this list; geez, I had so much garbage back in the PS1 days. Or worse, on Sega Genesis; things I can't recall the titles for. I can't believe the things I'd waste money on when I had so little money. I can't remember most of it, either.

Twisted Metal 3
Jade Cocoon
Final Fantasy XIII

There's something worse, but I can't seem to unlock it from my memory.

My hipster bullshit detector is going CRAZY over here.

idgi

I remember it now.


Digimon World 2. The first game was roaming around a big world, catching monsters, doing fun stuff. Then this... Paid full price to crawl through grids on a truck, occasionally battling monsters. They should've called it Avoid Traps World 2. Complete shit.

I'd go with Kingdoms of Amalur right off the top of my head. It's pretty, sure, but the leveling element is bland and the quests are MMO-like, only without the whole Massively Multiplayer part (granted they mentioned this game was to be a lead-in to a true MMO before the whole studio got canned and shut down).

I'd also add in Dirge of Cerberus, the Vincent FFVII spin-off game. Yet again, it's pretty, but it was waaaaaaay too easy and the story was kind of shit.

Kingdoms of Amalur would have been a lot better IF YOU COULD FREAKING JUMP!

Final Fantasy XIII.

How does it play? Hell if I know. I was 8 hours into it and as best as I could tell, it was all still just a slightly interactive cutscene.

Yakuza 4, but that game was actually so bad it was awesome.

Dragon Age 2... we're not going to talk about that one.

Assassin's Creed for the PC. What a terrible port. The tutorials were even still showing xbox buttons.

Superman 64... don't ask.

Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm sure it's a good game, but it took this to discover that I don't like MGS games.

And the same goes for Resident Evil 5.

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I don't know what you mean about the punitive crap in the harder modes of Diablo. There's nothing punitive. It's just hard. I guess I like difficult games.

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Making monsters one shoot you is the laziest way to make something hard ever... and frankly it's no more hard then having to memorize a sequence of buttons...

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Oh yeah and I really should add HOMM4/5 to that list. They were both terrible but I only have myself to blame for buying them.

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H4 was released basically while still in alpha, but it had the best stories in the whole series (even the clichéd fairy tale stuff with Elwin and Shaera was done in a way that made it cute) and the most interesting battlefield when the heroes and unit numbers where in balance...man, i really want one of those Sliders devices to go see that one reality where they actually had enough time to finish the game.

Holy shit Poe, did you actually buy Superman 64? I lump those purchasers in with those who bought ET on the Atari 2600. Poor, damned souls.

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Holy shit Poe, did you actually buy Superman 64? I lump those purchasers in with those who bought ET on the Atari 2600. Poor, damned souls.

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I said don't ask!

I owned, and played for hours the ET Atari game.

Even more sad, I owned and LOVED the Indiana Jones game for the Atari.

Bowielee said:

I owned, and played for hours the ET Atari game.

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Me too! I have no idea why I played it so much, either.

Krisken said:

Me too! I have no idea why I played it so much, either.

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I had no idea what the F I was doing, but I sure ran around falling into those god damned pits.

Bowielee said:

I had no idea what the F I was doing, but I sure ran around falling into those god damned pits.

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I think it wouldn't have been so bad if the
1. maps weren't illogically placed (going to the left, going up, going right, then going down didn't bring you back to where you started)
2. the joystick wasn't so touchy when using your levitate to get out of the pits
3. falling into the pit had anything to do with your feet being near the pit
4. you didn't get hurt when you entered the right pit to get a telephone piece

It was a very bizarre game, for sure.

That's the worst thing with being a kid with a bad video game. You keep playing, because there is a goal, but you're not having fun and you don't know why you're still doing it.

I only payed ten bucks for my copy of FF13. At that price, it was... okay. I'd have been pissed if I had paid 60 though.

I'll echo Digimon World 2.

Bomberman64 was no peach, either.

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Bomberman64 was no peach, either.

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I think Bomberman 64 gets a pass because of the Bomberman reboot they tried to do.

Bomberman 64 was Bomberman Saturn compared to Bomberman Act Zero.

Yeah, that'll do.



Ha ha ha ha

Oddly enough, I don't get the hate for FF XIII. Although I paid uhm... 75 cents for it, but even still I thought it was fun. It's not as if it's some huge departure for the FF series as a whole. *shrug*

I disagree. Here's the main reason for the hate of 13:

First 30 hours of the game takes you into exciting dungeons such as:

How is that different than any other FF? They're all linear and they always have been. Random battles are the name of the game and the only exploration you do in a FF "dungeon" is to find some item box laying around somewhere that has a few cure potions. FFXIII also had large open areas later on in the game. You might not like the FFXIII story than say, other FF games (I thought it was fine), but I'm not sure you could make the argument that the basic design and gameplay are all that different. I'm sure if I pulled up level maps for FF 7/8/9 or even 2/3/4 they'd probably look more or less the same.

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Masters of Orion 3.

/drops mic

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Came here just to mention this. OhGodWhatTrash.

--Patrick

Yeah, that's not true at all. Well, it isn't true for the good Final Fantasies anyway.

Best not say FF6 was bad. I will come to your house...

and I will cut you.

And she will hide your images.

--Patrick

lrn2notsuck.

They were mazes and they were fun.

They were a-maze-ing even!

Terrik said:

How is that different than any other FF? They're all linear and they always have been. Random battles are the name of the game and the only exploration you do in a FF "dungeon" is to find some item box laying around somewhere that has a few cure potions. FFXIII also had large open areas later on in the game. You might not like the FFXIII story than say, other FF games (I thought it was fine), but I'm not sure you could make the argument that the basic design and gameplay are all that different. I'm sure if I pulled up level maps for FF 7/8/9 or even 2/3/4 they'd probably look more or less the same.

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The only way FFXIII seems like all the other FF games is if you've only played FFX or FFX-2 prior.

I hate FFVIII and even that did better with it. And even the linear dungeons in those games did a better job of disguising it; for FFXIII you're practically on a rail.

Anyone remember the snow area from FFVII? That was a bitch and a half.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck that snow area. The worst part is without a guide you miss a shitload of treasure and Materia.

Oh man, yeah. The snow area. I remember dying there so many times because my huge fucking popeye arms would weigh me down in the snow.

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck that snow area. The worst part is without a guide you miss a shitload of treasure and Materia.

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Worse; One of those materia can ONLY be gotten the first time through that area, and it's a summon that is the only offensive skill IN THE GAME with the Holy Element. You don't get it then, you lose on of the best elements to add to your weapon.

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I think Gared fell into the Sar Chasm

He may need to junction his potential.

And if I may rerail this for a bit, the worst game I ever bought was one that tried to have space combat, ground combat, trading, etc. long before Eve (like back in the 90's or very early 2000's). Planets were completely flat and empty, there were no enemies in space, and once I anded on a planet, I couldn't figure out how to get back up into space even with the manual. I don't remember the name of it either.

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SWTOR???

Not even close.

SeraRelm said:

Not even close.

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True, there is no space combat in SWTOR.

Yes there is. It's called Star(fox)Wars for a reason!

SeraRelm said:

Yes there is. It's called Star(fox)Wars for a reason!

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Adam said:

SWTOR???

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No, I really like SWTOR. I can see gripes other people have against it, but I just really like it for what it is. I got bored with WoW after hitting lvl 70 with a hunter, but played CoH/V for 4 years or so.

Empire of the Ants (Haha! This is pretty old but my first real big disappointment as a kid... the game looked so cool on the box!)
Dead Island (I know a lot of people here like it but I found it to be pure utter shit)
Dragon Age 2 (Up your EA... I hope you die in a fire)

That have already been mentioned:
Spore
FFXIII

That haven't been:
Lost Odyssey - Before y'all tear me a new one on this, I will cop to my hate for this game being due to one thing: all the goddamm LOADING SCREENS. Every single time you did ANYTHING in this game, it required a long loading screen. I made it through one disc and then just said, "fuck it".

I never even heard of Lost Odyssey.

Bowielee said:

I never even heard of Lost Odyssey.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Odyssey

It could have been so awesome (and according to folks not bothered by loading screens, actually is pretty awesome), but there are so many fucking loading screens it makes MGS4 feel like a seamless uninterrupted play experience.

Hey, any PS3 owners out there playing Awesomenauts? I'd love to play against live people, but the community is just not there right now. It's a MOBA with a saturday morning cartoon feel to it.

SpecialKO said:

That have already been mentioned:
Spore
FFXIII

That haven't been:
Lost Odyssey - Before y'all tear me a new one on this, I will cop to my hate for this game being due to one thing: all the goddamm LOADING SCREENS. Every single time you did ANYTHING in this game, it required a long loading screen. I made it through one disc and then just said, "fuck it".

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I wanted to like Lost Odyssey, and I actually did at first. My major issue was how numbingly slow the game starts. I think I put 10 or so hours into it before just giving up. Another one I wanted to like was Blue Dragon, but for something that felt like a DragonQuest/FF mashup it was boring and easy. Never finished that one, either.

Link's Crossbow Training.

I don't have the hate for FFXIII. Played it through to the end. Completely agree to the "tube" argument until you hit Pulse itself... for a bit, then back to tube. Strangely, the final dungeon had the most "branches" of anything to-date IMO. But if you generally liked the combat system, try XIII-2. They tweaked combat (no more leader death = all death! Woot!) and I actually found it a LOT better because of the non-linear way you can explore the story. Rent it first if you aren't convinced, but I'd really recommend it. They really did learn from their mistakes. And some people hate Mog, but I actually liked him. It's weird, a character that should be annoying, actually wasn't for some weird reason. I dunno.

As for game purchases I regret, I have to go way way back to the NES when I was like 5. Parents were buying one game for each of us. I bought Excitebike. My brother bought The Legend of Zelda. Guess which got more play from both of us? Eventually traded in Excitebike for Double Dragon (2 or 3, don't remember). Was happy with that exchange!

Eriol said:

I don't have the hate for FFXIII. Played it through to the end. Completely agree to the "tube" argument until you hit Pulse itself... for a bit, then back to tube. Strangely, the final dungeon had the most "branches" of anything to-date IMO. But if you generally liked the combat system, try XIII-2. They tweaked combat (no more leader death = all death! Woot!) and I actually found it a LOT better because of the non-linear way you can explore the story. Rent it first if you aren't convinced, but I'd really recommend it. They really did learn from their mistakes. And some people hate Mog, but I actually liked him. It's weird, a character that should be annoying, actually wasn't for some weird reason. I dunno.

As for game purchases I regret, I have to go way way back to the NES when I was like 5. Parents were buying one game for each of us. I bought Excitebike. My brother bought The Legend of Zelda. Guess which got more play from both of us? Eventually traded in Excitebike for Double Dragon (2 or 3, don't remember). Was happy with that exchange!

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YOU DIDN'T LIKE EXCITEBIKE

GET IM BOYS

Also, the leader = wipe thing in FF13 was my biggest gripe. Made some of the bosses frustratingly hard because I'd have to go full defensive when Lightning was critical hp. Or that area where all you get is the black dude and the younger girl at that fair or whatever. That shit was a pain. When I get back home I plan to give it another go now that I have a better idea of what to expect from the game (made it to that tower on Pulse with the big white robot on top, I forget the name).

I just remembered something. The 2nd or 3rd PS1 game my brothers and I ever purchased was San Francisco Rush. The first PS1 game we bought was Jet Moto, and the PS1 version San Francisco Rush was a huge disappointment in comparison to that awesome racing game.

Ye Gods, I miss Jet Moto.

Jet Moto was so awesome...

SeraRelm said:

Jet Moto was so awesome...

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There are some franchises that I have no idea why they aren't still around. Jet Moto is one of them.

Jet Grind Radio should have lasted into the PS3/360 era, I think it would be a glorious free-roaming romp on rollerblades.

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Jet Grind Radio should have lasted into the PS3/360 era, I think it would be a glorious free-roaming romp on rollerblades.

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I didn't like the Xbox sequel as much as I liked the Dreamcast original.

GasBandit said:

I didn't like the Xbox sequel as much as I liked the Dreamcast original.

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I do agree there, the DC one was just great. I'm sure nothing would really be the same, but I'd still love to see someone try.

You mean Jet Set Radio?

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I do agree there, the DC one was just great. I'm sure nothing would really be the same, but I'd still love to see someone try.

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I also liked JGR's character design better than JSRF. It looked like they gave Gum a bad boob job between games, and did something wierd to her head.

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You mean Jet Set Radio?

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It was called Jet Grind Radio on the dreamcast, and the sequel was Jet Set Radio Future on the generation of consoles that came after.

SeraRelm said:

You mean Jet Set Radio?

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Yes and no, as the Dreamcast version was Jet Grind Radio when it was initially released in the states. It was renamed to the Japanese version afterwards.

GasBandit said:

It was called Jet Grind Radio on the dreamcast, and the sequel was Jet Set Radio Future on the generation of consoles that came after.

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OH GOD GASBANDIT HIVEMIND

I was responding to GasBandit, when he said the Xbox sequel.

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I was responding to GasBandit, when he said the Xbox sequel.

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It gets confusing, because "Jet Set Radio" is not technically the sequel... it's what it was called in Japan, and later in North America after some trademark issues were resolved. The sequel was "JSR - future."

But the disk I have still says grind... and it was definitely worth buying.

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I was responding to GasBandit, when he said the Xbox sequel.

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And I was responding to shut up.

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And I was responding to shut up.

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What movie is that from?

bhamv3 said:

What movie is that from?

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Assuming you mean SeraRelm's gif, it's from Born to Fight

General Specific said:

And if I may rerail this for a bit, the worst game I ever bought was one that tried to have space combat, ground combat, trading, etc. long before Eve (like back in the 90's or very early 2000's). Planets were completely flat and empty, there were no enemies in space, and once I anded on a planet, I couldn't figure out how to get back up into space even with the manual. I don't remember the name of it either.

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Battlecruiser 3000 AD, isn´t it ? Yeah, that was a disaster

Yoink said:

Battlecruiser 3000 AD, isn´t it ? Yeah, that was a disaster

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Yes! That's the one. I'm kinda glad I wasn't the only one who wasted money on that turd.

Ahh... I remember that game. The website I did reviews for was almost sued over our review of that game, when Derek Smart went off the rails like he is known to do.

I played Battlecruiser 3000 AD once. Couldn't figure out how to do anything in it. It was one of those games that you could feel would've been awesome if completed, sort of like a beautiful building that's only a facade, without anything inside.

I didn't buy it, but I remember renting George Foreman's KO Boxing hoping it'd be as entertaining as Super Punch-Out! on the SNES (because it was nearly impossible to rent SPO, hardly ever got returned on time).

My God, how wrong I was. It's the only game I've returned the same day I rented it.

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I didn't buy it, but I remember renting George Foreman's KO Boxing hoping it'd be as entertaining as Super Punch-Out! on the SNES (because it was nearly impossible to rent SPO, hardly ever got returned on time).

My God, how wrong I was. It's the only game I've returned the same day I rented it.

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But were you able to knock out the fat?

OH, Sewer Shark!

Betrayal at Krondor was probably the only game I played for 10 minutes and gave up on. Dear christ this game was hard to the point of being brutal.

Edit: wouldn't you know it, the world fucking loves it. All I remember was dying because I couldn't get enough damn food.

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EVERQUEST 2.

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At launch (and right at this instant) I'd agree with you. But for quite a few years there it was "the shit" IMO. It took until about the first expansion to get actually "good" and with people who cared about it, paid attention, etc. Then as time went on, Sony either fired them, or they left because of the things that Sony was making them do.

But for now, check out Rift. The "good guys" from EQ2 are running it. And they just announced their first expansion where they're tripling the landmass. Really. The upper two islands in this are the original launch ones. The lower are the expansion: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/465889_426317340741471_215180643_o.jpg

Just don't touch anything from SOE. They're terrible. I learned my lesson after EQ1. Hell, EQ2 is hardly free, you only get like 4 races and maybe 1/2 the classes, not to mention things like a gold cap and limited space for other stuff.

Rift was a lot of fun when I played last year. The major hangup I had was the endgame wasn't interesting enough to me. I might give it another shot when the xpac hits, there's no company out there right now that works as hard as Trion does to make their game better.

CynicismKills said:

Just don't touch anything from SOE. They're terrible. I learned my lesson after EQ1. Hell, EQ2 is hardly free, you only get like 4 races and maybe 1/2 the classes, not to mention things like a gold cap and limited space for other stuff.

Rift was a lot of fun when I played last year. The major hangup I had was the endgame wasn't interesting enough to me. I might give it another shot when the xpac hits, there's no company out there right now that works as hard as Trion does to make their game better.

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I'm no Rift fanatic but my wife is, and I have to say that I agree hard with the bolded above. The amount of content they stuff into the game continually amazes me. While it kinda makes the game feel a little discombobulated at times, they have done some pretty amazing things to keep interest going - and to just try new things without being constrained by Metzen-writing.

It's been awhile since I played, I've heard the new additions are great, especially the one or two-man dungeons. I might re-sub when I've got a job again even.

Because of all the Rift talk (which I admittedly initiated), a small plug for the guild I'm in: http://alpha.guildlaunch.com (yes we're recruiting, and server transfers are free)

Sean white's snowboarding on the 360.

One of the dullest games I ever had the misfortune of writing about.

Dawn of War 2: The Endless Disappointment

Batman Vengeance (PS2)

I remember, at the time, I was super hyped for this game. This was when superhero games were starting to actually show their potential, after some very good successes with recent Spider-Man games (the PS1 Spidey basically proved that superhero video games didn't have to suck). Plus, this was set and based in the Batman Animated universe. So I pre-ordered the hell out of Batman: Vengeance.

Aaaaaand...well, it was good. I mean, there wasn't anything really wrong with the game. It was a solid action game. But it definitely wasn't worth the $60 or $70 I paid for it.

Between that and L.A. Noire (which I bought, but never bothered to finish before selling it), I've been hesitant to pre-order games.

...though I did recently pre-order The Amazing Spider-Man. Hoping I don't get burned there, too.

Siska said:

Dawn of War 2: The Endless Disappointment

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I knew how the game played when I bought it on a Steam sale, but I figured it'd still be kinda fun to play a Space Marine regiment. It was alright, but I've yet to finish the game. I want to one of these days if only because the expansion lets you fall to Chaos, which sounds fun.

I liked DoW2 a lot. Not as much as DoW but still quite a bit. And the Last Stand in DoW2 is amazing.

Siska said:

Dawn of War 2: The Endless Disappointment

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This times 1000.

I was expecting a traditional RTS and ended up with the "new" style of RTS with minimal units.

I do agree, though that Last Stand was it's only redeeming quality.

I actually bought the expansions just for that...

Bowielee said:

This times 1000.

I was expecting a traditional RTS ..

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Why?

I mean the 1st one wasn't a traditional RTS either...


What really disappointed me was that in many ways it was a step back from CoH while i was hoping for a step forward (like being able to fortify terrain gains etc.)

That and unlike the 1st one the story was too driven by the map mechanics they wanted to use (also see SC2)...

That's definitely true. I think they were going for a broader appeal with Dawn of War and Dawn of War 2. Company of Heroes (while being easily the best RTS ever made) definitely has a much more difficult learning curve.

Well CoH shooting/vehicle mechanics wouldn't really fit in a 40k game, but i was hoping the core concepts of battlefield control and somewhat decentralized base building would make it in without being watered down into irrelevancy...

I was hoping we'd get something like the British from CoH where you would be building stuff on the battlefield more often then at base...

It was far more a traditional RTS than DoW 2. I've been through this before. My preference is for the more traditional large army RTSs. I hate the newer ADD style of RTS.

Bowielee said:

It was far more a traditional RTS than DoW 2.

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At the time it was about as big a departure as DoW2 is from DoW1 (no resource gathering units, individual upgrades, heroes you can attach to squads etc.)...

What i'm getting at is that your expectations where really misplaced...

Especially since most of the fanbase where asking for more CoH like stuff in the sequel...

Again, I know some people like that style of game. I personally hate it, and wasn't expecting it at all. It's a radical departure from the first game. I'm funny like that, I expect a game's sequel to be at least somewhat similar to the first game.

I'm actually relieved that SC2 came out when it did to break the trend of all RTS games going to this style.

Bowielee said:

I personally hate it, and wasn't expecting it at all. It's a radical departure from the first game. I'm funny like that, I expect a game's sequel to be at least somewhat similar to the first game.

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You and i have a very different understanding of the word "radical".

Basically they just got rid of base building and lowered the pop cap... CoH went further with modifying the base mechanics DoW1 had imo.

Sure, the lower numbers made it feel very different to pla, but so did playing SC1 on BGH with 600 pop cap (totally doable without cheats).

Unless you meant the SP...

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I'm actually relieved that SC2 came out when it did to break the trend of all RTS games going to this style.

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DoW1 was a pretty big departure from the SC style anyway...

Bowielee said:

I hate the newer ADD style of RTS.

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The whole RTS genre is the ADD version of the original turn-based strategy genre. Of course it's going to get more and more dumbed-down.

Part of the reason I didn't like DOW2 is I love basebuilding and I hate having to tell units when to use their abilities. In COH (and DOW2) I was constantly griping "I shouldn't have to tell you when to throw a grenade into a house! C&C Generals was smart enough to know when to flashbang, why aren't you?"

Anyway, that's why I'm still playing Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, I think.

The reason I hated DoW2 is that I liked sending scores of infantry men out into a never-ending meatgrinder, "For the Emperor". DoW2 just lacked the sense of scale that DoW1 had, and any 40k game should have. DoW2 bought into the "Movie Marine" style of 40k, and there's a reason that's just a joke version that no-one actually plays on tabletop, even if it does fit the canon better.

I do have to admit though, I like the idea of one squad of major badass Marines wading into waves upon waves of Greenskins, Chaos and Tyranids. Once you get a few missions in, I definitely felt like my Commander and his squad were just big old beasts.

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The reason I hated DoW2 is that I liked sending scores of infantry men out into a never-ending meatgrinder, "For the Emperor".

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I think you're looking for those flashlight wielding, cardboard wearing Imperial Guards...

Necronic said:

DoW2 bought into the "Movie Marine" style of 40k, and there's a reason that's just a joke version that no-one actually plays on tabletop, even if it does fit the canon better.

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Considering that Marines operate in 100 man companies i'd say it's some of the other armies that aren't as numerous as they should be going by cannon, in the TT and the games.

Mass Effect 3.

*drops mic*

Jay said:

Mass Effect 3.

*drops mic*

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You bought it after 2... it's your own damn fault.

@Li3n said:

I think you're looking for those flashlight wielding, cardboard wearing Imperial Guards...

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Pff. Faith is my armor.

Considering that Marines operate in 100 man companies i'd say it's some of the other armies that aren't as numerous as they should be going by cannon, in the TT and the games.

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I'm not sure I follow. I think you're saying that armies like IG are too small. Yeah, I would agree. But when you read some of the books you see single space marines that can wipe out 100s of IGs/cultists, and that doesn't really stand up in TT (because it would be boring.)

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I'm not sure I follow. I think you're saying that armies like IG are too small. Yeah, I would agree. But when you read some of the books you see single space marines that can wipe out 100s of IGs/cultists, and that doesn't really stand up in TT (because it would be boring.)

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I'm saying that canon-wise the TT IG doesn't have as many soldiers as it should...because they wouldn't fit on the table...

Flight Control for iOS, only 99 cents, but I felt it was wasted money after 3 minutes.