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Jiarn
There are maps much larger than this one, the Penny Arcade map for example, and they still make Cartographers. Is there something going on there?
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The most XP can handle at any time is something like 3.14-3.2 gigs I think.
figmentPez
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Not exactly. My understanding, and I can dig up articles on the matter, is that 32-bit versions of Windows allow for for 4GB of RAM, but that this includes the RAM in graphics cards, in hard drive caches, and other places. This means the actual amount of usable main system RAM varies depending on other components in the system. From <2GB to nearly 4GB.
That's different than the amount of RAM that is available to any given program. Each process on a 32-bit Windows OS gets up to 2GB of RAM and 2GB of page file (this can be hacked to allow 3GB of RAM and 1GB of page file, or other variations adding up to 4GB). I think it was Anandtech that did an article on Supreme Commander crashing in long games after hitting the 2GB limit on 32-bit systems, and how to get around that by the previously mentioned hack. Off the top of my head, I can't remember if the 2GB limit still hits on a 64-bit OS running a 32-bit executable, but I don't think it does.
That's the most that the OS will admit is installed, but I'm pretty sure that 2GB is the most memory that XP will give to any single process (without resorting to some boot.ini trickery, that is).
EDIT: Here's the article you mentioned, FP.
(For the OSX-heads out there, the reason 32-bit OSX has less trouble with this is because OSX allows a maximum of the full 4GB per process on 32-bit systems).
--Patrick
EDIT: Here's the article you mentioned, FP.
(For the OSX-heads out there, the reason 32-bit OSX has less trouble with this is because OSX allows a maximum of the full 4GB per process on 32-bit systems).
--Patrick
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TwoBit
Could someone give me a higher access level? Things might be a bit buggy right now, but I'd still like to built something.
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noaxark
Saw Gas's post at work yesterday, and I too recalled something about limited ram per process on a 32bit system. So I set up the render on my work laptop, which is 64bit, before leaving. And it worked; behold the morning harvest: Cartograph per 2011-02-10.
I wonder what this means for my server (Ragnar Sr.), which is the machine I normally use for rendering. It's 32bit, but it can still access all 4 gigs of its ram, as it's running Windows Server 2k3. Reading the links, I guess success depends on whether Cartographer is "large address aware", and whether the /3GB switch is enabled on the system.
I'll test it next time I update. If it fails, I could always use my desktop, which lacks neither ram nor bits
I wonder what this means for my server (Ragnar Sr.), which is the machine I normally use for rendering. It's 32bit, but it can still access all 4 gigs of its ram, as it's running Windows Server 2k3. Reading the links, I guess success depends on whether Cartographer is "large address aware", and whether the /3GB switch is enabled on the system.
I'll test it next time I update. If it fails, I could always use my desktop, which lacks neither ram nor bits
Can you give me a link please to the EXACT cartograph software you guys are using? If it's trivial to update it for new block types (and if it's open-source) I'll take a look at doing that, as I do programming for a living, and so hopefully they made it easy to update in that way, and I have all the dev tools on my home box. If it's spaghetti code however, that's not gonna happen.
it's just our world loses some impact due to missing blocks.
it's just our world loses some impact due to missing blocks.
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noaxark
For the fixed-size renders, we use Cartograph. That's why we call 'em cartographs
For the gmap, I use Minecraft-Overviewer. Note that the latest "stable" release has buggy multi-core rendering, though, and I must use the nightly builds to get it to work on any of my dual core systems.
Both applications are rather slow on the uptake of new blocks, it seems.
Check out this thread: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1022&t=165779
It's an updated version of the program, modified by somebody else. I'd try that to begin with, though you'll probably still need to run it on a 64-bit machine.
It's an updated version of the program, modified by somebody else. I'd try that to begin with, though you'll probably still need to run it on a 64-bit machine.
GasBandit
Staff member
Well, eriol found it already, so I should spill the beans -
I've built a rail line to a distant hub, and have started putting pre-sized lots around it, in the hopes that folks might contribute. The motif is basically a beach/tourist resort type deal. If anybody is curious to see it, the rail terminal is on the top floor of the central transit building. There's about 4 plots left with waterfront/beach, but I'll be adding more in the next few days as the area gets "groomed."
It's sort of experimental - wanted to see what'd be like to simulate a town environment in close quarters with defined property boundaries.
Added at: 09:07
Cartograph G suffers the same runtime error that regular cartograph does - that was the first fix I tried. Interestingly enough, I found I can still do "oblique angled" cartographs, the problem only seems to manifest in the "Isometric" setting. I'll get a fresh backup later and see if I can do something with it.
Cartograph G renders colored wool correctly... but it renders iron, diamond and gold blocks as purple error blocks.
I've built a rail line to a distant hub, and have started putting pre-sized lots around it, in the hopes that folks might contribute. The motif is basically a beach/tourist resort type deal. If anybody is curious to see it, the rail terminal is on the top floor of the central transit building. There's about 4 plots left with waterfront/beach, but I'll be adding more in the next few days as the area gets "groomed."
It's sort of experimental - wanted to see what'd be like to simulate a town environment in close quarters with defined property boundaries.
Added at: 09:07
Cartograph G suffers the same runtime error that regular cartograph does - that was the first fix I tried. Interestingly enough, I found I can still do "oblique angled" cartographs, the problem only seems to manifest in the "Isometric" setting. I'll get a fresh backup later and see if I can do something with it.
Cartograph G renders colored wool correctly... but it renders iron, diamond and gold blocks as purple error blocks.
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Raidrinn
Haha, I found that 3 days ago. I started asking about it but guess you weren't on at the time.
Sign: Plot 1 unclaimed
Me: WTF?
Also FYI, the new Cartograph is loading ridiculously slowly. I've been loading for 5 minutes and it's still just a sliver.
Bones, tells me he started at 8:55 and it's now 9:18 and it's still not done.
Sign: Plot 1 unclaimed
Me: WTF?
Also FYI, the new Cartograph is loading ridiculously slowly. I've been loading for 5 minutes and it's still just a sliver.
Bones, tells me he started at 8:55 and it's now 9:18 and it's still not done.
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noaxark
So are you running a 32-bit machine or what? Feels kind of essential to the discussion here
You're in
Edit: assuming you go by TwoBit in Minecraft as well, that is.
GasBandit
Staff member
Yes, I am on a 32 bit machine.. maybe that does have something to do with it.
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And maybe that is adammon's problem... when we updated the server I had to rebuild the users file, and maybe I misspelled his name... that's what happened to dirona (nee "diriona" in the user list).
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Is Adammon spelled like... that?
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The hosted Cartograph is also not loading for me.
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And maybe that is adammon's problem... when we updated the server I had to rebuild the users file, and maybe I misspelled his name... that's what happened to dirona (nee "diriona" in the user list).
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Is Adammon spelled like... that?
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The hosted Cartograph is also not loading for me.
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noaxark
The user settings did have a messed up entry at the end (see the post above mine), and I'm not sure what problems -- if any -- that might've caused. Can't see any reason why Ad would be more affected than anyone else, though. Probably just lag and/or some other form of Minecraft instability . In any case, the entry is fixed now.
Likely a temporary hosting error. The maps are merely (cough) around 15MB large since I started saving them as 8-bit PNGs and shouldn't take too long to download under normal conditions. We don't have a lot of other options here, either. JPG versions look like ass compressed to that size. GIF might reduce decoding complexity, but at the cost of a 20% increase in file size, definitely not saving anyone any time.
If your browser is having trouble displaying or loading the file, I recommend right click -> "Save target as...".
As for the hosting solution, well, picturepush works great for me, and allows for a library of very large files under one account for free. Open to other suggestions, though.
Edit: Mirrored with Google. Gives you links for both downloading and viewing as an added benefit. Might just put all future cartographs there.
That'sa me!
GasBandit
Staff member
Well, your name is spelled correctly and you should have the proper permissions... are you still unable to build/dig?
I think it was a lag issue more than anything - then I was getting hammered with stream errors and being disconnected. It did some weird though that I could dig and dig and dig and then end up with a nice block in my face.
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TwoBit
Whoops, I forgot to say my username is 2_Bit. TwoBit was already taken.You're in
Edit: assuming you go by TwoBit in Minecraft as well, that is.
GasBandit
Staff member
Ok, that should be fixed now.
How about Iapyx? Minor Roman god representing the NW wind.
By the way, really enjoying the new area. Having everyone building nearby makes it easy to check out other people's projects.
Also, my new favorite Minecraft thing; tree pool!
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Jiarn
Hurrah for a resurgance of pictures!
GasBandit
Staff member
Just a cautionary reminder folks... CLOTH IS FLAMMABLE. IT WILL NOT CONTAIN LAVA. Additionally, THE STREETS ARE MADE OF BLACK CLOTH. So if you make something in your lot connect to the street (IE, a driveway), make the last 3 meters of it some non-flammable substance such as obsidian. So if you accidentally set fire to your beach house, the fire does not spread to the street and burn down the ENTIRE TOWN.
figmentPez
Staff member
I spent a lot of time hunting squid last night. They're hard to find, and harder to kill when they're down at the bottom of the ocean. I had to go pretty far and wide to find them, but I found a fair sized school when I did. I can't figure out why I haven't seen them closer to home. The first time I logged into the server after they were added, I found them swimming in the irrigation ditches on my farm, in the mountain lake above my home, and in the lake at the bottom of my waterfall. I haven't seen them in any of those locations since.
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Jiarn
What do you get from killing squid?
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Raidrinn
and suddenly, all my towers are going to be made of cloth
GasBandit
Staff member
Thank goodness. More than one color of it, too, I hope?and suddenly, all my towers are going to be made of cloth
That beachfront 100% cobblestone tower really needs some ornamentation.Just be REAL careful with fire and lava.
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