RIAA, "DRM is dead."

[Chazwozel]

Ugh... anyone who NEEDS to play video games 24/7 on their laptop on the road needs a cattle prod up the a** anyway. Otherwise use this to deal with travel: Nintendo DS

I have a Nintendo DS already. I've used it and other portable gaming systems a lot when I'm travelling. However, I just got my first laptop. I'm also already subscribed to Gametap. I'm just expressing my lament over the limitations of the service, which are not limited to exotic locations like the rainforest. I'd have been similarly out of luck during the week-long power outage after hurricane ike. My laptop, which I didn't have then, gets ~6 hours on a charge. Could have done a lot to relieve the boredom of no internet. It's not about needing to play, it's about wanting to play. There are other options, I will do other things, I'm just pointing out a DRM scheme that is even more restrictive than Steam.

I guess I'm just a dinosaur who doesn't need to be entertained 24/7.

 

[Bowielee]

Also, Gametap was never intended to be an offline service. It's plainly stated on their site that an internet connection is required to play. It also really don't figure into the whole DRM issue anyway because it's a subscription service. You don't purchase anything from them.

 

[JCM]

That´s Chaz´ way, but he does have a valid point, there are internet connections almost everywhere,, so while it seems idiotic for paying customoers to have to go online, its not like its impossible.

Nah, just pussies have more a claim for the vaseline when companies start asking the PAYING customers, to validate something they bought, when pirates get it before launch day, hacked, cracked and working. Dont mind me, since anyone who wont authorise online *must* be a pirate, everyone who does can be a pussy, how about it?

UR MUST BE PIRATE!! Prove U wrong in that one.

Wrong in what? That pirates still get to play, while paying customers get hassled?

Glad the pathetic "PIRATES" excuse is still being used in any debate when someone asks why those who BUY it will have to go thorugh shitloads of troubles, when Half-Life 2 was already avaliable hacked, cracked and working before launch.

Call it pathetic all you like but PIRATES!! and still proving you wrong.

Hey, its because of ninjas!!

Man, its easy proving Shegiko wrong, Shegiko-style.

What are you proving wrong anyway? You said Steam wasnt DRM, I showed you it is.
You questioned 3rd-party DRM, I gave you a list.
I said its dickish to force someone to connect online to start playing a game offline for the first time, and you scream PIRATES!!

Heck, to tell the truth, cracked games run better and with no hassle (specially SECUROM titles that experience performance burps), and paying customers have to chose to either watse their time with slowed performance and having to activate stuff, or do like the pirates and crack their game copy. Heck, Morrowind and Oblivion had a huge increase in performance.

Gee, I wonder who's responsible for SECUROM in the first place.

The ones who download games with the latest secuROM crack and play PC games at faster speeds, with no cd-checking or online activations?

Aactivation for single-player offline is useless against piracy, because people who pirate already buy cds/get torrents cracked and working, days before paying customers manage to get their game activated.

What is your point again, besides PIRATES!! and UR WRONG?

Or those who arent pussies and need to ask for permission to play a game they paid for, but hey, thats how 90% of the world is.

Oh you're totally right, pirates have way more claim to a game than someone who paid for it. :eyeroll:

Funnily, after installing Half-Life 2 and cracking it, I was playing it within 4 hours of purchasing it, while my idiot pussy mates were waiting for 2 days for the Half Life 2 activation servers to get back online during the launch period debacle.
:smug:

Sad situation, glad you totally understand that some companies have issues with launch days.

Reading comprehension FAIL

That, or I'm not getting your point.

I´m still trying to get what she is saying.

I say that its idiotic for people to activate a game online to be able to play single-player, and she calls out PIRATES!!,
When someone says that some people might not have internet avaliable at the time, she screams RAINFORESTS!
When someone notes that some gamers were unable to activate a game, she says UR PIRATE, SERVERS BUSY!!

Are you taking drugs again Shego, or has becoming a pussy asking for permission for a game you paid for made you soft?

 

[Shegokigo]

Hey, its because of ninjas!!

Man, its easy proving Shegiko wrong, Shegiko-style.

It's easy to tell when you're wrong JCM, you begin quote changing people, it's become a very obvious tactic over the past few years.

I said its dickish to force someone to connect online to start playing a game offline for the first time, and you scream PIRATES!!

I said I disagree, it's the company's way of making sure it's a legit copy, nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to play offline from there on out.

The ones who download games with the latest secuROM crack and play PC games at faster speeds, with no cd-checking or online activations?

I wonder what those kind of people are called. Also, my games run faster than I could ever want, maybe those with slower running systems should look into that problem before piracy.

Aactivation for single-player offline is useless against piracy, because people who pirate already buy cds/get torrents cracked and working, days before paying customers manage to get their game activated.

Which totally makes it alright? Nice point there.

I´m still trying to get what she is saying.

I say that its idiotic for people to activate a game online to be able to play single-player, and she calls out PIRATES!!,
When someone says that some people might not have internet avaliable at the time, she screams RAINFORESTS!
When someone notes that some gamers were unable to activate a game, she says UR PIRATE, SERVERS BUSY!!

Are you taking drugs again Shego, or has becoming a pussy asking for permission for a game you paid for made you soft?

If you don't like the "tag" JCM, don't live the lifestyle.
If you suddenly have the urge to purchase a game off STEAM (not play, because you can play it offline just fine) and don't have access to internet, I don't know what to tell you
Don't know what you mean by asking for permission. All I've ever done is tell a company, by logging on once and only once, "Hey, I bought your game and it's legit". I also like how you seem to think "pussy" is a derogatory term in any way for me.

 

[tegid]

What I don't get, Shego, is why you think it's wrong to crack or whatever a game you have bought if, because of any reason, you can't regularly register it. Or aren't you?

 

[Shegokigo]

What I don't get, Shego, is why you think it's wrong to crack or whatever a game you have bought if, because of any reason, you can't regularly register it. Or aren't you?

I have absolutely nothing against people who purchase and then crack them.

I'm saying, it wouldn't be required at all if there weren't a certain breed of people out there, and on these boards (who have flaunted it in the past) requiring companies to take those steps. Whether or not there is a "crack out within a couple of days", it deters the less skilled from getting it or even the best "cracks" are glitchy and sometimes bug out is hardly a point for "why bother trying to protect your game?" arguments.

 

[figmentPez]

So over the course of a year, 1-5% of your Gametap is unavailable and you find that a large limitation to the service?

Okay, I overstated. The 64-bit incompatibility is a major issue, the requirement of online play is merely a frustrating limitation inherent to the type of service.

 

[Shegokigo]

So over the course of a year, 1-5% of your Gametap is unavailable and you find that a large limitation to the service?

Okay, I overstated. The 64-bit incompatibility is a major issue, the requirement of online play is merely a frustrating, issue.

Ah, I'm not a Gametap subscriber (I have enough unfinished games to last me a good year as it is!) so I could see the issue there. Though if it weren't online play, how would they keep people from just downloading the entire library within a month and then canceling?

 

[tegid]

Or those who arent pussies and need to ask for permission to play a game they paid for, but hey, thats how 90% of the world is.

Oh you're totally right, pirates have way more claim to a game than someone who paid for it. :eyeroll:

He was talking about that case, and you answer like he was talking about pirates... This is the confusing point.

 

[Shegokigo]

He was talking about that case, and you answer like he was talking about pirates... This is the confusing point.

Only because you're not familiar with JCM.

 

[Viggs]

Steam's offline mode is notoriously unreliable. I just unplugged my connection to test it and I couldn't start offline mode because steam wasn't online.

My experience: When I moved back to college last January, I was without internet access for a month and had absolutely no problems playing my games.

You cant play a game until it has been authenticated, and yes, offline mode is there, but if you want a new game that uses Steam, and have no internet, good-fucking-luck..

Observation: For those who want a new game and have no internet Digital Distribution is simply not an option.

(although just one can play the game online at a time, but thats fair enough)

This is true, but I guess this may or may not be an issue depending on the situation. In my particular case I am the only one in my residence with any interest in games. I could see this being an issue for other people, tho.

 

[figmentPez]

Observation: For those who want a new game and have no internet Digital Distribution is simply not an option.

Steam isn't just for digital distribution, it's also used to validate retail copies of games. You buy a Valve game (and possibly other companies' games, I don't know) you have to use Steam to be able to play it, even if you have a CD.

 

[Bowielee]

The only CD copy game that I purchased that required me to be on steam was Dawn of War 2 and that had ten tons of trouble.

If one were to make a case as to why DRM is bad, that's a perfect one. There are not 1, not 2, but 3 seperate DRMs on the game. One for each company involved in the distribution, and it was, quite frankly, a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

No one is saying that DRM is awsome. Anyone saying that would be stupid, or a liar.

One of the points Shego is making, which is also one of my sticking points. If it weren't for the pirates, we wouldn't even need DRM in the first place.

 

[@Li3n]

One of the points Shego is making, which is also one of my sticking points. If it weren't for the pirates, we wouldn't even need DRM in the first place.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI:2da9oeml][/youtube:2da9oeml]

 

[tegid]

He was talking about that case, and you answer like he was talking about pirates... This is the confusing point.

Only because you're not familiar with JCM.

Oh, but I am! I've been around lurking since Image... I'm not used to discussing with him, and usually I get tired fast of the discussions he's in and only skim through them, so that may be the reason. I must say, though, that reading this discussion it felt like you were some kind of JCM 2.0, not really reading what the other was saying. If what you are doing is anticipating his next arguments or being blunt so he can't play his game or something then I guess it's fine.

 

[Shegokigo]

Oh, but I am! I've been around lurking since Image... I'm not used to discussing with him, and usually I get tired fast of the discussions he's in and only skim through them, so that may be the reason. I must say, though, that reading this discussion it felt like you were some kind of JCM 2.0, not really reading what the other was saying. If what you are doing is anticipating his next arguments or being blunt so he can't play his game or something then I guess it's fine.

Pretty much was just directly speaking about JCM and not other people in general. I know there are exceptions, but comparing a hard nosed online only DRM to STEAM was just too far out there for me not to duel.

 

[@Li3n]

I know there are exceptions, but comparing a hard nosed online only DRM to STEAM was just too far out there for me not to duel.

Didn't he start out by just saying it's DRM?! Which it is...

 

[Shegokigo]

I know there are exceptions, but comparing a hard nosed online only DRM to STEAM was just too far out there for me not to duel.

Didn't he start out by just saying it's DRM?! Which it is...

Yes, but I was well aware of his implications, and was proven right in the subsequent posts.

 

[PatrThom]

One of the points Shego is making, which is also one of my sticking points. If it weren't for the pirates, we wouldn't even need DRM in the first place.

Piracy doesn't encourage DRM anywhere near as much as DRM encourages piracy. DRM was made by corporations, for corporations. They were unsatisfied by the fact that only 80% of the people playing their game had purchased it, and so they added DRM to force the last 20% to buy the game. Instead, the pirates continued to pirate and more legit customers got added to the 'pissed off' list. In the meanwhile, 'player friendly' companies which don't use DRM end up paying the price.

--Patrick

 

[@Li3n]

I know there are exceptions, but comparing a hard nosed online only DRM to STEAM was just too far out there for me not to duel.

Didn't he start out by just saying it's DRM?! Which it is...

Yes, but I was well aware of his implications, and was proven right in the subsequent posts.

This is JCM... you're giving him too much credit... he just prob reacted (for others it would be overreacted, but you know) to what you said.

@PatrThom

Dude, what where they thinking by allowing all games to connect to their servers?! DotA is huge in the pirate circles, it has like 2x more players then copies of WC3 sold... of course they where all gonna try it out for a few days.

 

[JCM]

lol@ above whine.

My apologies for the late reply, three-day EFL teacher´s seminar.

Hey, its because of ninjas!!
Man, its easy proving Shegiko wrong, Shegiko-style.

It's easy to tell when you're wrong JCM, blablabla doesnt give any argument on where JCM is wrong

I love how you say unrelated stuff like "you are wrong because the grass is green" or "you are wrong because you used three paragraphs". My apologies, but thats not a rebuttal.

I said it doesnt stop piracy, and paying customers have more trouble than pirates. Yeah, youve got a PC with enough RAM to make SecuROM and other DRM unoticable, but the point still sticks, sadly, paying customers still need cd-keys, activations, the game cd and whatever else, to play, in the name of stopping piracy. While pirates get to steal and play without all that crap.

Oh you're totally right, pirates have way more claim to a game than someone who paid for it. :eyeroll:


Sad situation, glad you totally understand that some companies have issues with launch days.

Reading comprehension FAIL

That, or I'm not getting your point.

I´m still trying to get what she is saying.

I say that its idiotic for people to activate a game online to be able to play single-player, and she calls out PIRATES!!,
When someone says that some people might not have internet avaliable at the time, she screams RAINFORESTS!
When someone notes that some gamers were unable to activate a game, she says UR PIRATE, SERVERS BUSY!!

Are you taking drugs again Shego, or has becoming a pussy asking for permission for a game you paid for made you soft?

If you don't like the "tag" JCM, don't live the lifestyle.

Thanks for proving my point again.

I still await for you to show it stops piracy, or has any effect, other than making paying customers jump through more hoops.

One of the points Shego is making, which is also one of my sticking points. If it weren't for the pirates, we wouldn't even need DRM in the first place.

Piracy doesn't encourage DRM anywhere near as much as DRM encourages piracy. DRM was made by corporations, for corporations. They were unsatisfied by the fact that only 80% of the people playing their game had purchased it, and so they added DRM to force the last 20% to buy the game. Instead, the pirates continued to pirate and more legit customers got added to the 'pissed off' list. In the meanwhile, 'player friendly' companies which don't use DRM end up paying the price.
--Patrick

Its common knowledge that-
-DRM is useless at stopping piracy
-Pirates get to play single players with less problems, and no CD-checks (nor the need for a cd), activations or SECUROM
-Some paying customers have turned to piracy due to excess DRM
-Piracy has only increased.
There´s no use for DRM besides giving corporations more rights over paying customers. But forget posting links;

Shegiko will just ignore the facts, say you are wrong and that you must be a pirate, then @Li3n is gonna whine about how you must have had an overreaction. I still await for Shegiko to show DRM stops piracy, or has any effect, other than making paying customers jump through more hoops.

"UR a pirate!!" in 4...3.... :smug:

 

[JCM]

He was talking about that case, and you answer like he was talking about pirates... This is the confusing point.

Welcome to halforum, or making a strawman when you cant prove that DRM has any use, and does anything but take away rights from paying customers.

And Steam is a form of DRM, as in irights management, as in it checks your activation at first running, and whenever you play online, not to mention several third-party games have other forms of DRM (see links posted when Shegiko again was corrected).
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DRM.html
Short for digital rights management, a system for protecting the copyrights of data circulated via the Internet or other digital media by enabling secure distribution and/or disabling illegal distribution of the data. Typically, a DRM system protects intellectual property by either encrypting the data so that it can only be accessed by authorized users or marking the content with a digital watermark or similar method so that the content can not be freely distributed.

It not a bad system, while I disagree with online activations, but some third-party games do have SecuRom-

Example, GTAIV has securom, as well as many other Steam games-
http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=11
However Steam rocks in telling you which other DRM is there besides steam-

And yes, again STEAM in itself is DRM. You must activate the game online (and in the case of popular games like Half Life 2 at launch, spend days waiting for activation servers to come back online to play), and it checks if you have a legit copy of all your games everytime you turn it on.

Now back again to waiting for anything but :quote: PIRATES! :quote: and ad-homins from @l3an and Shegiko, and not one post proving that DRM in any way works.

 

[@Li3n]

For it to be an ad hominem it has to somehow imply you're wrong because of it... otherwise it's just a regular insult. :tongue:


EDIT: and just in case, i agreed that Steam is DRM from the get-go...

 

[JCM]

That pretty much describes Shegiko´s :quote: rebuttals :quote:.
Me: DRM doesnt do anything but bother customers, pirates actually enjoy a faster and more hassle-free experience.
Shegiko: UR wrong because u must be a pirate! You must be saying its okay to pirate!

On piracy? Sadly, Im growing too old for piracy, and actually am enjoying putting together a library. Of course, with physical books, cds and BDs, and now Ive dont have time anymore for PC gaming, no DRM at all. (I actually once had a cd for every game with a crack for them)

Not that I wont download a copy of a game, after all its better to carry around an R4 or Memory stick with 10 games than keep swapping them out, you get better battery life and get to mess with homebrew. And sometimes I cant get a movie or game here, so $%#@! you lucky american geeks who have dirt-cheap music, games, movies and books.

 

[Shegokigo]

That pretty much describes Shegiko´s :quote: rebuttals :quote:.
Me: DRM doesnt do anything but bother customers, pirates actually enjoy a faster and more hassle-free experience.
Shegiko: UR wrong because u must be a pirate! You must be saying its okay to pirate!

Talk about missing the points all together. That's just par for course with you though. It's alright, try and revert down what I'm saying to whatever your mind percieves it as. It's still the truth.

 

[JCM]

That pretty much describes Shegiko´s :quote: rebuttals :quote:.
Me: DRM doesnt do anything but bother customers, pirates actually enjoy a faster and more hassle-free experience.
Shegiko: UR wrong because u must be a pirate! You must be saying its okay to pirate!

The truth!!! Whatever that is.

My apologies, ignoring everything posted to scream UR PIRATE!!! and pirates isnt such an enlightening point.

I guess it comes to not being able to handle a debate, and stick up for something (aka DRM), yell that STEAM isnt DRM and doesnt have third-party DRM, without knowing anything at all, then running behind a facade of ad-hominems, then whining about how something you dont tell us is "the truth!!".

Pathetic, how corprate whores are, accepting anything that a company says without reading (and being so blind to not read the links posted all around here)....... pathetic, really.

Now thats the truth.

 

[Shegokigo]

You're too much fun JCM. Not much of a conversationalist, but really fun. :slywink:

 

[Chazwozel]

That pretty much describes Shegiko´s :quote: rebuttals :quote:.
Me: DRM doesnt do anything but bother customers, pirates actually enjoy a faster and more hassle-free experience.
Shegiko: UR wrong because u must be a pirate! You must be saying its okay to pirate!

The truth!!! Whatever that is.

My apologies, ignoring everything posted to scream UR PIRATE!!! and pirates isnt such an enlightening point.

I guess it comes to not being able to handle a debate, and stick up for something (aka DRM), yell that STEAM isnt DRM and doesnt have third-party DRM, without knowing anything at all, then running behind a facade of ad-hominems, then whining about how something you dont tell us is "the truth!!".

Pathetic, how corprate whores are, accepting anything that a company says without reading (and being so blind to not read the links posted all around here)....... pathetic, really.

Now thats the truth.

Dude, I pay my money for Steam or any DRM shit, and I get my product. Everyone's happy. According to you, pirates find ways around the DRM anyway. The reason DRM exists is because of pirates, and the reason pirates pirate is because of limitations on DRM. I don't give two shits about how much third party software Steam runs on my PC. As long as it's not spiderware/spyware crap that slows down my system, they look at my download history all they want. That's not being a whore, that's being apathetic to a non-issue matter. You're not as important as you think and your computer doesn't have FBI classified material on it. Who gives a shit about rootkits, unless they slow your computer down from running in the background?

The only REAL problems I have with DRM shit is, for example, when Apple doesn't allow redownloads of something you paid for. That kind of bullshit right there motivates me to pirate mp3s instead of buying them because I don't have a guarantee on my product. NO, I don't believe it should be my responsibility to back up my music when it's already readily available from another source. Steam lets me buy a game and reinstall it as much as I like under my user ID on any PC anywhere as long as I long in under my name. That's pretty nice and actually better than a physical copy of a game.

Just because I payed for my Steam games doesn't make me a corporate whore, just someone who doesn't want to go through the hassle of pirating shit not worth pirating. Hey...I guess DRM like Steam is working afterall! It works with me enough that I can enjoy the product I payed for without any hassle. And please wrap up the whole offline Steam bullshit. I was playing Monkey Island all night on my laptop the other day with no internet connection. No problems what so ever.

 

[JCM]

Chaz.

I said its DRM, but taking away some 3rd-party games, its not bad. And I agree 100% on Apple, I stopped buying their shit this year when I had a company-bought Macbook die on me, and go without any support because my %$^# company lost the receipt. (Is it so hard to check the serial number, or bill me for repair?)

The corporate whore was a dig at Shegiko's labelling anyone who said anything against DRM as Pirates!

You're too much fun JCM. Not much of a conversationalist, but really fun. :slywink:

Not as much as you my fair lady, with a extra serving of pathetic, good to see the familiar Shego hasnt been totally eridicated.

2 pages and you still havent made any point besides ad-hominems and PIRATES!!

 

[Shegokigo]

Not as much as you my fair lady, with a extra serving of pathetic, good to see the familiar Shego hasnt been totally eridicated.

2 pages and you still havent made any point besides ad-hominems and PIRATES!!

I have no problems playing "last word" with you JCM, I'm on the forum alot more than you. :slywink: I however don't have to resort to put downs.

 

[JCM]

I have no problems playing "last word" with you JCM, I'm on the forum alot more than you. :slywink: I however don't have to resort to put downs.

Of course not, after ad-hominems and screaming PIRATES! when asked what your point was, and seeing that you had squat (DRM infringes civil liberty rights, doesnt stop Piracy, actually helps increase, only the paying customer suffers with it), trying a put down would add to the hilarity.

You stay on an internet forum long? Congrats, parents must be proud, but you are no Crone nor Zod. I still await for your point on DRM, but knowing you, its like asking a chimp to write an award-winning movie.
:smug:

 

[Shegokigo]

Of course not, after ad-hominems and screaming PIRATES! when asked what your point was, and seeing that you had squat (DRM infringes civil liberty rights, doesnt stop Piracy, actually helps increase, only the paying customer suffers with it), trying a put down would add to the hilarity.

You stay on an internet forum long? Congrats, parents must be proud, but you are no Crone nor Zod. I still await for your point on DRM, but knowing you, its like asking a chimp to write an award-winning movie.
:smug:

I wasn't "flexing" anything or trying to "prove" anything about being on here longer. Just stating facts. Also, I've been around since Crone and Zod, not sure what that has to do with anything though.

I made my point, but as per usual, you don't read anything written past the first 1-2 sentences before going off on your tangents. :slywink: So if anyone here is chimp like, I'd have to put it against your attention span.

 

[JCM]

Of course not, after ad-hominems and screaming PIRATES! when asked what your point was, and seeing that you had squat (DRM infringes civil liberty rights, doesnt stop Piracy, actually helps increase, only the paying customer suffers with it), trying a put down would add to the hilarity.

You stay on an internet forum long? Congrats, parents must be proud, but you are no Crone nor Zod. I still await for your point on DRM, but knowing you, its like asking a chimp to write an award-winning movie.
:smug:

I wasn't "flexing" anything or trying to "prove" anything about being on here longer. Just stating facts. Also, I've been around since Crone and Zod, not sure what that has to do with anything though.

Really Congrats again, so thats ad-hominems, calling other suers PIRATES! when shown that steam has DRM, DRM doesnt stop piracy and et al, now e-dick showing?

I made my point, but as per usual, you don't read anything written past the first 1-2 sentences before going off on your tangents. :slywink: So if anyone here is chimp like, I'd have to put it against your attention span.

Well, Ive been waiting for a few days already for you to put down that banana, wash your hands and type it, because i didnt see anything beyond "DRM is bucuz of pirates" and "UR a pirate!".

Oh, and giving apologies to the 25% performance of the Morrowind cd-checking, servers halting and the usual stuff. For yet another day, what is your point?

 

[Shegokigo]

Really Congrats again, so thats ad-hominems, calling other suers PIRATES! when shown that steam has DRM, DRM doesnt stop piracy and et al, now e-dick showing?

You couldn't handle me actually showing off my e-dick. It's jurassic and would make you go insane just by gazing upon it C'thulu style.

Well, Ive been waiting for a few days already for you to put down that banana, wash your hands and type it, because i didnt see anything beyond "DRM is bucuz of pirates" and "UR a pirate!".

Oh, and giving apologies to the 25% performance of the Morrowind cd-checking, servers halting and the usual stuff. For yet another day, what is your point?

My point was simple. I wasn't even talking about DRM past the fact that STEAM isn't much like them other than the fact that it simply requests ONE time for you to log on and show you own the game. After that you can play offline all you like, with no problems/slowdowns, whatever you want to claim.

I was never defending DRMs as a whole, only STEAM's version of authetication. So where you got off on all your other tangents is beyond me, but not surprising. Oh and I said "pirates" because it drives you loony and watching you quote change people in anger is just downright hilarious.

 

[JCM]

Steam? Which I mentioned in 2-3 threads that I dont agree with online activation, its better than the others? And you mistakenly said you never needed to be online?

What lame lying cop-out, after-

Seriously, same thing here, I can play offline mode without ever getting online.

Unless I way to play in the middle of the rainforest.

As far as I know, there are no third party DRM with STEAM purchased games.

Must suck for those who pirate games more than they purchase them huh?

Oh you're totally right, pirates have way more claim to a game than someone who paid for it.

Sad situation, glad you totally understand that some companies have issues with launch days.

UR WRONG!!!!
UR WRONG!!!!
UR WRONG!!!!
UR WRONG!!!!
UR WRONG!!!!
UR WRONG!!!!

Reading comprehension FAIL
That, or I'm not getting your point.

You're not.

Activation for single-player offline is useless against piracy, because people who pirate already buy cds/get torrents cracked and working, days before paying customers manage to get their game activated.

Which totally makes it alright? Nice point there.

More hilarity and unclear BS about DRM having any effect on piracy-

What I don't get, Shego, is why you think it's wrong to crack or whatever a game you have bought if, because of any reason, you can't regularly register it. Or aren't you?

I have absolutely nothing against people who purchase and then crack them.

I'm saying, it wouldn't be required at all if there weren't a certain breed of people out there, and on these boards (who have flaunted it in the past) requiring companies to take those steps. Whether or not there is a "crack out within a couple of days", it deters the less skilled from getting it or even the best "cracks" are glitchy and sometimes bug out is hardly a point for "why bother trying to protect your game?" arguments.

He was talking about that case, and you answer like he was talking about pirates... This is the confusing point.

Only because you're not familiar with JCM.

So, I havent found anything but ad-homins, PIRACY!!, users not getting your point, a @l3an handjobbing session, wrong information over and over.

God, I could do this all day, correcting pathetic co-outs, but since you as usual will either try to claim you hage a huge e-peen or whine and say that you werent serious, it´ll do eonugh to repost this over and over till a thread lock.