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Scrolls, a CCG from the creators of Minecraft

#1

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Super Edit: If you play this game, join channel Halforums whenever you're on to help find other halforumites.


Scrolls is my latest addiction. I had heard about it briefly back when Bethesda was attempting to sue Mojang over copyright infringement for calling their game Scrolls (which clearly everyone would confuse with Elder Scrolls, obviously) but it fell off my radar after that.

Scrolls is a digital CCG that combines cards and resource management with a hex-grid board. It's now in open beta, and so far I'm in love with it. I've managed to stay away from CCG games all my life, and now I know why as I've spent hours already building decks and playing games online.

The game is currently $20 (which also gets you access to the beta) and while it does support micro transactions, as far as I can tell there's no way to buy power. Microtransactions seem to be mostly for aesthetic stuff, new avatars and the like. You do start the game with one of three preconstructed decks, and you can use real money (roughly $5) to unlock the other two decks right from the start, but these decks can just as easily be purchased with in game currency that you get just by playing. The rare cards, gotten through booster packs, can ONLY be purchased with in game currency, so there's no way some kid with his daddy's credit card can buy his way into an unbeatable deck.

After a few hours of playing, I had decided which deck type I wanted to play (there are three, Order, Growth and Energy) and had purchased some booster packs with my in-game winnings. I got a couple of awesome rare cards, but unfortunately they were not of the deck type I was constructing. Thankfully, the game fully supports trading, and in no time I was able to find people that had the cards I wanted and offer up trades with them.

Here's a video showing the game being played.



The object of the game is to destroy three of the five idols on your opponent's side of the board.


#2

Dave

Dave

Ooh! I've been wanting to look into this. I had no idea it was in beta! I know what I'm doing tonight when I get home!


#3

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Ooh! I've been wanting to look into this. I had no idea it was in beta! I know what I'm doing tonight when I get home!

As far as I know, the only way into the beta is to actually buy the game ($20) but since there's no further purchase needed after that, it's actually a lot cheaper than physical CCG's.

If you decide to pick it up, let me know. We'll play some matches.


#4

Dave

Dave

As far as I know, the only way into the beta is to actually buy the game ($20) but since there's no further purchase needed after that, it's actually a lot cheaper than physical CCG's.

If you decide to pick it up, let me know. We'll play some matches.
I have to wait a bit. Probably until the 1st of July. $600 for car repairs will do that to a guy. ;)


#5

drawn_inward

drawn_inward

I have to wait a bit. Probably until the 1st of July. $600 for car repairs will do that to a guy. ;)

Radiator? Car repairs suck.


#6

Dave

Dave

Radiator? Car repairs suck.

Went in for brakes and ended up with joints, bearings, rotors...


#7

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I feel like more people should be interested in this game. It is seriously fun.

Here's a quick video overview of playing a Growth deck (the other two suits are Order and Energy)



#8

Gusto

Gusto

I bought this, and played a tutorial game this morning with my Energy deck.

Seems cool!


#9

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I bought this, and played a tutorial game this morning with my Energy deck.

Seems cool!

We should play! My name in game is Ravenpoe121

It doesn't yet look like there's a friend system, so I'd need to know when you're on and have you join a channel


#10

Gusto

Gusto

Yeah a friend system would help.

My name, much like LoL, is Gustovich.


#11

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Yeah a friend system would help.

My name, much like LoL, is Gustovich.

If you're on right now, join room Ravenpoe.

Friend list and messaging system is coming. It's just still in beta.


#12

Gusto

Gusto

I'm at work for another 7 hours and then DnD afterwards. I might be on at like 11 EST.


#13

Covar

Covar

This game is hard as fuck. Not just the AI either, I'm finding it difficult just to be competitive.


#14

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

This game is hard as fuck. Not just the AI either, I'm finding it difficult just to be competitive.
What deck did you start with? If you're a magic player, you have to forget what you know there and come into the game fresh. So I've been told by magic players, this is my first ccg and so far I'm doing pretty well.


#15

Covar

Covar

Growth. I have trouble getting my deck going. Even against other Growth decks I'm getting lapped.


#16

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Growth. I have trouble getting my deck going. Even against other Growth decks I'm getting lapped.

I haven't played much with growth, so I can't yet give any green-specific tips, but here's some general strategy. First, press ctrl. This will pop up all unit information without you having to mouse over them. You only need three idols to win, so if you can control three lanes (preferably together) you will win, even if the opponent is able to destroy the other two. Do your best to keep the control of the middle row, as losing control of it will force you to focus on split areas of the board.

Kill your enemy's units. You can move each unit once per turn, so keep in cover until you can move out to wipe out an enemy unit. The idols aren't as much a concern in the beginning, as you want to take out the things that can hurt you first, and focus on idols second.[DOUBLEPOST=1371672955][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, when you start to edit your deck and add in new cards, you want to keep your total number of cards at 50. 50 is the minimum required for a deck, and since Scrolls shuffles spent cards back into the deck, you want it to be as lean as possible to increase the odds of gaining the cards you want.


#17

Gared

Gared

Argh... I really, really hate playing against Order decks. It reminds me of all the times I played against counterspelling decks in M:tG. All of this "Oh, you thought you had that card out? I'm sorry... it's still in your hand," and "Oh, you wanted that unit in row 1? I'm sorry, you accidentally played it in row 2," stuff is just obnoxious as hell.


#18

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Argh... I really, really hate playing against Order decks. It reminds me of all the times I played against counterspelling decks in M:tG. All of this "Oh, you thought you had that card out? I'm sorry... it's still in your hand," and "Oh, you wanted that unit in row 1? I'm sorry, you accidentally played it in row 2," stuff is just obnoxious as hell.

:troll:[DOUBLEPOST=1371675303][/DOUBLEPOST]Alright, everyone that plays this game, start joining channel Halforums whenever you're online.


#19

Gusto

Gusto

Ravenpoe is definitely better at this than I am. :) Granted, the two games I lost against him were my 3rd and 4th games.

I've since done all the easy trials and bought a few more [largely useless] boosters.


#20

Gusto

Gusto

I do have a decent handful of rare Order cards, so if anyone has some good energy cards theyr'e willing to trade, I can hook you up. :)


#21

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I'll take on all comers.

...

Yeah, I stand by what I said.


#22

Gared

Gared

Man, getting a bad first draw sure can screw you over in this game.


#23

Gusto

Gusto

Man, getting a bad first draw sure can screw you over in this game.
I don't know how closely the wanna hem to MtG but a mulligan option would be nice.

Although being able to use anything as mana, or sack a card to get two more, means that you can come back from a bad draw much easier than in MtG. Plus you don't have to worry about never seeing those cards again.


#24

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

A bad first draw isn't that detrimental. The first few hands are going to be spent sacing cards for resources anyway, and even if your opponent can field a unit or two early, there's no real urgency to address them because they aren't going to do much damage to your idols right away. You can cycle through your whole hand before you really need to act, and trade off resources for new cards if need be.


#25

Gusto

Gusto

Ugh, I'm regretting going with an Energy build.


#26

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Ugh, I'm regretting going with an Energy build.

Energy is slow to start, but I've played against some energy decks that just absolutely wrecked me. Energy has a lot of direct damage spells that can really stymie other decks from building momentum. As an order player, I hate playing against a strong energy deck, as they can completely shut me down.

If you don't like the ranged, structure heavy design of the starter energy deck, see if you can earn up some gold and try trading and buying to work your way into a gravelock deck. It's a primarily energy deck with a little growth thrown in (for Gravehawks, which gain boosts for every gravelock you have) that synergizes the stacking power of gravelocks and gravelock elders. Something like this:



Use Tribal Memorials to build growth resources without having to sacrifice for them (alternatively, if you draw a bunch of Sand Pact Memorials early, you can sac for growth and use these cards to gain energy). You won't have any growth cards that cost over 2, so leave growth alone and focus on building energy. Also, I've noticed that some people stick Hellspitter Mortars in the back trying to protect them. Don't do this. Their attack is too random to rely on them for damage, but they make excellent walls, having a massive 6 health with only a 3 energy cost. Slap a potion of resistance on one of them to make them damn near indestructable for three rounds.


#27

Gusto

Gusto

Where are you finding these deck builds? You had suggested a site to me but I couldn't find 'em.


#28

GasBandit

GasBandit

Word has it that Scrolls is already turned a profit, going into the black in only a week. Low budget indie development triumphs again! It may not be my particular cup of tea, but this is good for the industry.


#29

Gusto

Gusto

Haha, there are like 4 cards in there that I don't have at all, but I'm like halfway to having that deck's cards.

Think I'll give it a shot.


#30

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Word has it that Scrolls is already turned a profit, going into the black in only a week. Low budget indie development triumphs again! It may not be my particular cup of tea, but this is good for the industry.

Notch is already in danger of being crushed by his mountain of money.


#31

GasBandit

GasBandit

Notch is already in danger of being crushed by his mountain of money.
Maybe Mojang can hire some actual developers who don't quake in fear at the thought of touching assembly code.

But why do that when java bloatware makes jillions.


#32

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Haha, there are like 4 cards in there that I don't have at all, but I'm like halfway to having that deck's cards.

Think I'll give it a shot.

Some of those cards are rare and expensive. Feel free to fill in with anything else that you like until you get them. I mostly just go to the scrolls wiki (google it) and try to find cards that synergize well together, as well as building off tips in the scrolls forum. Just go to http://www.scrollsfans.com/forums and have a look. Because this game is still in beta and far from done, there isn't a ton of discussion just yet, and some older discussions may be outdated as cards have been balanced/added/removed, but it's a good place to start.

There's a fourth suit coming, though no word on when it will be added. It will be Decay.


#33

Gared

Gared

Oh man, Decay sounds like it could be a lot of fun.

Also, I've just been trashing (aka, selling back to the store) any Energy cards I come across in the booster packs because I want nothing to do with an Energy deck. If you want, I'll hang on to them until I see you online so I can just hand them off to you.


#34

Gusto

Gusto

Yay, new suit. :)[DOUBLEPOST=1371836069][/DOUBLEPOST]
Oh man, Decay sounds like it could be a lot of fun.

Also, I've just been trashing (aka, selling back to the store) any Energy cards I come across in the booster packs because I want nothing to do with an Energy deck. If you want, I'll hang on to them until I see you online so I can just hand them off to you.
Please do. I can give you some money or cards if you'd like.[DOUBLEPOST=1371836169][/DOUBLEPOST]Particularly the one above. I like that deck build and I'm about halfway there.


#35

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Gusto If you come across any Dustrunners (new common energy card) you may consider added them into your deck. They are ranged attackers that only do 1 damage, but they instantly kill anything with 3hp or less. This is an instant kill, not a damage effect, so it bypasses armor, plating, and other special effects. Really useful for taking out Waking stones, cannon automatons, and other hard to damage units.[DOUBLEPOST=1371836235][/DOUBLEPOST]
Particularly the one above. I like that deck build and I'm about halfway there.

I'm working towards that one too.


#36

Gusto

Gusto

I do have ONE Dustrunner. :)


#37

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

If you're actively trading for these cards, you absolutely want to get the gravelocks (and gravehawks, if you can manage) first. Gravelocks are all about numbers. The more Gravelock Elders you have on the field, the more powerful each invidual gravelock will be. And the more gravelocks you have, the more beneficial the buffs from gravelock elders will be. Gravehawks are just icing, gaining strength for each gravelock and gravelock elder on the field.

If you can't amass a giant ball of gravelocks yet, you'll need to suppliment with other units. Sisters of the Fox make good cannon fodder, since they net you a free draw card, and you won't be using your growth resources most turns anyway, so there's no reason not to put them out there. With stats of 1/2/1 they're really only going to act as poor meat shields though, so you may decide against it. If you like using the lobbers, golem skin may be a worthwhile buff. Eventually they get in the way, and golem skin will destroy all structures on your side to increase the attack/health of one unit by 1 for each structure. If you're using hellspitter mortars though, you may not want to use this unless they're about to die, as they're too valuable to sacrifice for a buff. Golem skin can also make use of the various memorials you'll be putting out, as they really serve no purpose once they're placed, they don't have to survive for you to keep the resources they provide. The enemy will usually kill them off quickly anyway, though. You could consider adding in rigging, to make those memorials do damage when the enemy destroys them.

Avoid the temptation to use golem skin on a big bad like an Iron Golem or a Cannon Automaton. This might make you feel awesome by having a walking death behemoth on your side, but you'll feel pretty dumb once they use a violent dispersal to instakill it, a pushback to undo its buffs and send it back to your hand, or a root to make it unable to move.


#38

Gusto

Gusto

I literally have so few cards available that I use Golem Skins almost exclusively for sacking. I'm so structure-heavy currently that I rarely need to buff an attacker, and the only time I've used it was for a Hail Mary he-can't-block-me-right-now-so-oneshot-his-idol-and-win-game sorta move.[DOUBLEPOST=1371838734][/DOUBLEPOST]And I do have a handful of Gravelocks - so few at first that I took them out of my deck in favour of machines since they were a weak and wasted combo.


#39

Gusto

Gusto

Iron Whips also don't seem that great to me.


#40

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Iron Whips also don't seem that great to me.

Iron Whip is useful because it's a multitasker. You can use it to grant extra damage to one of your units when needed (and if it's a gravelock outcast, it can easily be healed later), lower the cooldown of a unit (for when that cannon automaton/iron golem needs to attack RIGHT NOW) -or- can be used to damage the opponent units, outright killing anything with one health.


#41

Gusto

Gusto

I wish the trade channel wasn't always fuckin' full.


#42

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I wish the trade channel wasn't always fuckin' full.

Join Trading-2 or Trading-3, I've had to join all the way up to Trading-6 before.

A better trade system is in the works, there's even hints of an auction house.


#43

Gusto

Gusto

You got any shit I can buy Poe? I know we're building the same deck, but any extras?


#44

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

You got any shit I can buy Poe? I know we're building the same deck, but any extras?

I took a break the past couple of days to get some shit done, so I haven't made any further headway into building the deck. I don't really have any extras regarding that deck, but I do have extras. Here's a current list of everything extraneous, nothing super useful.

Order:
Callback x1
Purification x1
Resonant Helm x3
Thought Trap x1
Vengenace Veil x2

Growth:
Binding root x1
Chamption Ring x1
Elan Vital x1
Junkyard x1
Sister of the Fox x1

Energy:
Catapult of Goo x2
Clock Library x2 (I love these, they make good walls and really 'draw aggro' because the enemy wants to destroy them)
Rigged x2
Useless Contraption x1


#45

Gusto

Gusto

I'm 29 cards into this deck. Just picked up some reasonably priced commons.


#46

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Man, early Dustrunners are OP as shit.


#47

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Update on the gravelock deck, now that I have everything except for the more expensive and rare spells (thunder surge, violent dispersal) I've been giving this deck a try. It's really strong against classic energy and order builds, but a good growth deck is able to shut it down. The main problem is quake, which deals damage to everything on the board, and can wipe out your big mass of gravelocks and gravehawks. Since this build is all about attaining critical mass with number of synergizing units, I'm thinking of adding in some more growth enchantments. Especially Bear Paw, which costs 2 growth and increases a units attack -and- health by 2, for the tradeoff of adding 1 to the current countdown. The countdown returns to normal afterwards, so all this does is delay the unit one turn. This would be especially useful for upgrading Gravehawks, who do tons of damage (and are relentless) but are rather fragile with only 2 health.


#48

Gusto

Gusto

I've found that as well, also having a "working model" of the necessary cards (currently at 40/50). I was thinking of something similar, but hadn't looked into any enchantments quite yet.


#49

Gusto

Gusto

It is super fun so far though. It's really satisfying to dominate the field with a few gravelocks, an elder and a gravehawk or two, and then drop a Fury on 'em for a massive beatdown.[DOUBLEPOST=1372096114][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh I also played a bot game the other day where a lucky top-deck Thunder Surge allowed me to take out all 9 of their units. Devastating.


#50

Dave

Dave

Is this a money sink like M:tG? I may have to pass because I'm usually dirt poor and wouldn't be able to keep buying up boosters to be competitive.


#51

Gusto

Gusto

You basically buy the game and get a structure deck of 50 cards. Everything else is bought through in-game currency.


#52

Dave

Dave

You basically buy the game and get a structure deck of 50 cards. Everything else is bought through in-game currency.
in-game is all I needed to hear. Getting this Friday.


#53

Gusto

Gusto

in-game is all I needed to hear. Getting this Friday.
Hell yeah dude.

There is some provision for real-money purchases but they are mostly limited to aesthetic changes. Everything else you can use in-game currency for, and some other things allow real-world money purchases but doing it that way is kinda silly since earning in-game money can be pretty quick. :)


#54

Dave

Dave

This may be stupid as I haven't read the entire thread, but can this be played against an AI or do you have to pair up against a human?


#55

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

This may be stupid as I haven't read the entire thread, but can this be played against an AI or do you have to pair up against a human?

You can play against three difficulties of AI, and there are also trials that range from easy to medium to hard that are a good way of learning the game and earning starting gold.


#56

Dave

Dave

You can play against three difficulties of AI, and there are also trials that range from easy to medium to hard that are a good way of learning the game and earning starting gold.
And that was the last barrier from my getting it. I'm sold, yo!


#57

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

And that was the last barrier from my getting it. I'm sold, yo!

I actually bought some 'shards' which are the currency you can pay real money for, and I'm at a loss of what to spend them on. Most of the things you want to buy can only be purchased using in-game gold that you get just from playing against either people or the AI.

Every week there are a few random face-up cards that are put in the store (they're random to each person) that can be bought with either gold or shards. These, the starter decks (which can also be purchased with gold) and aesthetic changes to your avatar are all that can be purchased with shards. The system is very player friendly, and is certainly not pay-to-win.[DOUBLEPOST=1372100808][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and do keep in mind that while the game is very much playable, and very fun, it's also very much still in beta. A lot of features have yet to be implemented, such as friends list, direct messaging, or an auction house. All communication has to be done via channels, and trading right now involves sitting in the trade channels and hoping to find someone that has the cards you want, or wants to buy the cards you want to get rid of.

And when you do get the game, remember to join channel Halforums to see if any other halforumites are around (since we don't yet have friends lists)


#58

Dave

Dave

But if I buy it now I get all updates, just like Minecraft. Which is a wonderful thing. Hell, I may just make a contest and give out a copy!


#59

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

But if I buy it now I get all updates, just like Minecraft. Which is a wonderful thing. Hell, I may just make a contest and give out a copy!

Oh, it's totally worth a buy right now. I just want you going in with realistic expectations, and know that some of the stuff is non-functional right now.

A contest would be awesome, we need more hfers playing this.


#60

Gusto

Gusto

For sure. Maybe someone I can beat. :)


#61

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

If you're playing a gravelock deck, this is what you want to see most in the world.



#62

Gusto

Gusto

Needs at least one Gravehawk. :)


#63

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Needs at least one Gravehawk. :)

I ended up starting with all three of my gravehawks in hand, and ended up saccing them for resources because I just couldn't build the growth energy needed for them thanks to early pressure from his starting dustrunner (early dustrunners so op). I never drew them again after that.


#64

Gusto

Gusto

I ended up starting with all three of my gravehawks in hand, and ended up saccing them for resources because I just couldn't build the growth energy needed for them thanks to early pressure from his starting dustrunner (early dustrunners so op). I never drew them again after that.
I know this feel.


#65

Far

Far

I am very bad at this...


#66

Gusto

Gusto

Super happy I sold my Naodi on the weekend. He's going for like 1/3 the price now.


#67

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Super happy I sold my Naodi on the weekend. He's going for like 1/3 the price now.

Oh yeah, if you get a card that's just come out, sell sell sell. The price skyrockets before evening out.


#68

Gusto

Gusto

Oh yeah, if you get a card that's just come out, sell sell sell. The price skyrockets before evening out.
I think it was LITERALLY from the last booster I bought. Since then I've been buying specific cards from players. I'm 6 cards away from finishing that Gravelock deck and even my in-progress version is consistently rolling out some decent combos.


#69

Gusto

Gusto

Hey Dave you buying this shit?


#70

Dave

Dave

Hey Dave you buying this shit?
After work, yes. If I buy it now I'd have to load it on my work computer and I think they'd frown on that.


#71

Dave

Dave

They don't take PayPal?!? FUUUUUUUUU-!


#72

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

After work, yes. If I buy it now I'd have to load it on my work computer and I think they'd frown on that.

Let them play, then they'd understand.


#73

Dave

Dave

Okay, they do take PayPal. Man, I thought I was going to have to miss out.


#74

Gusto

Gusto

I don't know if you've researched at all, Dave, but do you think you're gonna go with Growth, Energy or Order as your starter deck?


#75

Dave

Dave

I know almost nothing about the game. So I don't know. I'll know in about 2 minutes when I open the game and make my choice.


#76

Gusto

Gusto

STANDBY


#77

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

So... what'd he pick?


#78

Gusto

Gusto

Who can say. I imagine he's ranked #20 by now.


#79

Dave

Dave

Energy. And I almost lost the tutorial battle and they sucked. So that means I sucked as well.


#80

Gusto

Gusto

Man I think all three of us have Energy, hilarious.


#81

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Man I think all three of us have Energy, hilarious.

I have all three of the starter decks, but I play energy. I started Order.


#82

Gusto

Gusto

Note to self: side deck an Indendiaries.


#83

Dave

Dave

I'm trying to buy another copy for a contest but the system won't let me buy another one.


#84

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I'm trying to buy another copy for a contest but the system won't let me buy another one.

There's a delay if you're using paypal before you can buy another, to keep people from getting access to your paypal and buying a ton of copies. I don't know how long the delay is, try sending an email to mojang.


#85

Gared

Gared

If anyone runs across any Quake scrolls (Growth), I'm paying 1000g each for three of them.


#86

Dave

Dave

I'll look for a few.


#87

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

If anyone runs across any Quake scrolls (Growth), I'm paying 1000g each for three of them.

I have some... but I discover that every time I give away a rare, I end up building a deck that could have really used it.


#88

Gusto

Gusto

I'm looking for 2 Potions of Resistance, an Iron Whip or two, and another Bear Paw.


#89

Gared

Gared

Wow. There be a lot of whiny bitches on the scrolls forums. I'm not surprised - it's the same with any game's forums - but damn. You'd think this was a $60+ major studio release like CoD, not a $25 beta of a CCG game.

"Having scrolls reshuffle when you run out isn't fair!"
"Having scrolls in the deck that allow you to cycle your deck quickly isn't fair!"
"My opponents are cheating! They obviously have more than three scrolls of each type in their deck! How else could they possibly play a scroll of the same type that I just destroyed on their next turn?"

But not one mention of what Poe and I are really hoping is a bug with the new Growth scroll, Stag Heart.


#90

Covar

Covar

It's a message board full of gamers, of course it's full of whiny bitches. The fact that it's a video card game probably only makes it worse.


#91

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Wow. There be a lot of whiny bitches on the scrolls forums. I'm not surprised - it's the same with any game's forums - but damn. You'd think this was a $60+ major studio release like CoD, not a $25 beta of a CCG game.

"Having scrolls reshuffle when you run out isn't fair!"
"Having scrolls in the deck that allow you to cycle your deck quickly isn't fair!"
"My opponents are cheating! They obviously have more than three scrolls of each type in their deck! How else could they possibly play a scroll of the same type that I just destroyed on their next turn?"

But not one mention of what Poe and I are really hoping is a bug with the new Growth scroll, Stag Heart.

Stag Heart is still a fairly rare card (though not as rare as forge automaton) so it could be not enough people have gone up against it stacked on a single unit to really wonder.


#92

Gared

Gared

It's a message board full of gamers, of course it's full of whiny bitches. The fact that it's a video card game probably only makes it worse.
Which is why I said I wasn't surprised.


#93

Dave

Dave

So who wants to play this game? Who would actually come in and play with us?


#94

Frank

Frank

Whiners who whine about paying to play a beta deserve whatever bullshit they get.


#95

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Whiners who whine about paying to play a beta deserve whatever bullshit they get.
It's a very fun beta.


#96

Frank

Frank

I'm sure, so was Minecraft, but that's the shitty part about it. People who pay in don't generally think of it as a beta.


#97

Gared

Gared

Bad news Ravenpoe - I submitted a bug to Mojang for that Stag Heart multiplication - it's working as intended.


#98

Dave

Dave

Holy shit is that broken. Stacking in this case is just...dumb. I mean, I could see it if it were a chain, but not like this.

What do I mean by this? Well, if done in a chain, I can see how the effects could stack.
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But a straight stack making it +9/0/+9 is just overpoweringly dumb.
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Worst part is that according to the ticket Gared opened, it doesn't even matter that the hearts aren't enchanting the same target!! In other words, if you have three hearts enchanting three separate units, EACH UNIT GETS +9/0/+9!!!

That's just...looney.


#99

Gusto

Gusto

I need to get back into this game a bit more. My Gravelock deck is basically complete, I just need time to play rather doing other stuff like drinking beer and reading books.


#100

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Bad news Ravenpoe - I submitted a bug to Mojang for that Stag Heart multiplication - it's working as intended.
Well then I expect it to get nerfed. Growth is already a little overpowered, even without it.


#101

Gared

Gared

Holy shit is that broken. Stacking in this case is just...dumb. I mean, I could see it if it were a chain, but not like this.

Worst part is that according to the ticket Gared opened, it doesn't even matter that the hearts aren't enchanting the same target!! In other words, if you have three hearts enchanting three separate units, EACH UNIT GETS +9/0/+9!!!

That's just...looney.
No, actually it doesn't happen if you enchant multiple creatures. If you have 3 Stag Hearts on 1 creature, that creature will be +9/+9, but if you spread those 3 Stag Hearts across 3 creatures, each creature will have +3/+3. I have no idea what would happen if you put 2 Stag Hearts on Creature A and 1 Stag Heart on Creature B. But here's the text of Mojang's response to my ticket.
This is as intended, if 3 stags hearts are in play each give +3/+3 summing up to a total of +9/+9 no matter if they are on a single unit or multiple.
If they added +9/+9 to each of 3 creatures, it would sum up to a total of +27/+27. It is still broken, and very overpowered, especially since you can put that on a Relentless creature and just destroy everything, and unless your opponent has a way to reduce the movement to zero, or Pushback, there's no way you can stop that creature from slaughtering your entire army.


#102

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

No, actually it doesn't happen if you enchant multiple creatures. If you have 3 Stag Hearts on 1 creature, that creature will be +9/+9, but if you spread those 3 Stag Hearts across 3 creatures, each creature will have +3/+3. I have no idea what would happen if you put 2 Stag Hearts on Creature A and 1 Stag Heart on Creature B. But here's the text of Mojang's response to my ticket.

If they added +9/+9 to each of 3 creatures, it would sum up to a total of +27/+27. It is still broken, and very overpowered, especially since you can put that on a Relentless creature and just destroy everything, and unless your opponent has a way to reduce the movement to zero, or Pushback, there's no way you can stop that creature from slaughtering your entire army.
I actually started running an order and an energy/order deck with pushback just because of this. Honestly, putting all of these enchantments on a single creature is making it very easy for your opponent to counter them, I just severely lack the counter cards.


#103

Gusto

Gusto

Are there any "destroy enchantment" type cards? I don't recall seeing any.


#104

Gared

Gared

Are there any "destroy enchantment" type cards? I don't recall seeing any.
Order has Purification, which removes all enchantments from a target unit.


#105

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Are there any "destroy enchantment" type cards? I don't recall seeing any.
Order has purification, it costs 1 order and removes any and all enchantments from a friendly or enemy unit. This includes positive enchantments as well as negative ones.[DOUBLEPOST=1373482930][/DOUBLEPOST]Order also has metapsychosis, which resets any creature back to face value (it technically temporarily removes and then replays the card in the same spot)


#106

Gusto

Gusto

ORDER


#107

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe


Most of the worthwhile order spells are pretty cheap if you want to splash into it. I see a lot of people running 1 order just for Pother.


#108

Telephius

Telephius

This game needs a friend list...unless I am just unobservant.


#109

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

This game needs a friend list...unless I am just unobservant.
It's coming. It's still in Beta, features are not complete.


#110

Telephius

Telephius

I figured it was on the list of things to implement. Though I imagine it will be closer to the release of the full version before it is added.


#111

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I figured it was on the list of things to implement. Though I imagine it will be closer to the release of the full version before it is added.
In the mean time, make sure to join Halforums whenever on! You'll sometimes run into other forumites in between games!


#112

Telephius

Telephius

I have been but I have been unlucky hehe


#113

Gared

Gared

Stag Heart crisis averted. Switched from pure Growth to a Growth/Order rapid cycling deck with Purification, Pushback, lots of wolves, and my own Stag Heart.


#114

Dave

Dave

Stag Heart crisis averted. Switched from pure Growth to a Growth/Order rapid cycling deck with Purification, Pushback, lots of wolves, and my own Stag Heart.

Translation: If you can't beat 'em, exploit right along with 'em.


#115

Gusto

Gusto

I prefer "if you can't beat 'em, profit off 'em".

I remember selling my Naoidi for 800g more than the current going price, the week before it got "fixed".


#116

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

So, there's an energy card on the test servers that could do a lot to make draw decks less overpowered.



#117

Gusto

Gusto

Ho HO!


#118

Gusto

Gusto

I've been getting really bad shuffles lately. All my expensive cards at the beginning, and then all my monsters and spells/enchantments kinda clumped together by type. I can never seem to get anything I need.


#119

Dave

Dave

I've been getting really bad shuffles lately. All my expensive cards at the beginning, and then all my monsters and spells/enchantments kinda clumped together by type. I can never seem to get anything I need.
I lost my first match yesterday against a human (other than the first one I lost to frickin' Poe when I first started playing the game). He had a growth deck and my deck kept pulling up only enchantments. By the time I got creatures, his side of the board was totally filled. It was brutal.


#120

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I've been getting really bad shuffles lately. All my expensive cards at the beginning, and then all my monsters and spells/enchantments kinda clumped together by type. I can never seem to get anything I need.
If I start with some expensive cards, say a gravelock elder (5 cost) and a cannon automaton (6 cost) I've started keeping them instead of saccing them, and just biding my time until I can play them on turns 5 and 6. The enemy might manage to do some damage against my idols, but once I hit six energy and can start saccing for scrolls, I can usually make a pretty good comeback, and having those expensive units out early can really make a difference.


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